Dredge still doesn't really work without dread return though. If you've ever played dredge in modern you'd realize that another dredger is not what the deck needs.
Also wtf wizards was cruise that big a problem?
Am I the only one that thinks harsh sustenance could have a home in modern BW tokens? In a deck with bitterblossom the lifegain is relevant, it could easily be a 3 mana 10 point life swing in that deck.
Bob would be awesome, but with 4 treasure cruise in the deck it's too high risk, even for a lifeloss deck. Bitterblossom has actually been performing pretty well, making my shadows bigger and providing chumps so I can stay on the offensive.
So, a few days after treasure cruise got spoiled I loaded up my Legacy UB Death's Shadow Deck. I realized it was the kind of deck that wanted treasure cruise, so i went off to do a bit of brewing, going off the recent UR delver lists that had popped up in legacy. I couldn't come up with anything that could handle the legacy meta though. Today I decided to give it a shot in modern, heres what i came up with.
I have almost 0 matches under my belt with it ATM, but I will get back with results soon, some things to note, and questions i have
- If at all possible i want to keep it to 12 creatures (counting BB) and i want to keep the tried and true formula of delver+an efficient 1 drop+ an efficient 2 drop
- What do you think you could replace BB with? I was thinking either Young Pyromance,Pack rat,or Eidolon of the great revel Bob and Tombstalker are out of the question because of 4 treasure cruise
- Is the red splash even worth it? I only play bolt MD. I love the versatility it gives me, and i get some decent SB options too. I dont mind the painful mana base at all in this deck, but if cutting red has enough upsides I'd gladly do it
- Do you Guys think a deck like this has any hope to be competitive deck in any sense?
The deck feels very strong. Basically if you can force through any of your threats with discard/counter backup, its almost always enough to win. Drawing multiple deaths shadows late game is almost always a win.
What do you guys think of the positioning of this deck right now? I've been out of Legacy for a few months and wanting to get back in, and it's still the only deck I have built, but I see way less of it in top 8s. Are all the Uxx Delver decks just too much to deal with? I've been considering trading the pieces for another deck but wanted to hear some other opinions first
I'd test it out in your meta first, it's a pretty good deck to get back into the format with as it's not too hard to play right, worst case scenario you get beat at a couple of events and that helps you choose your next deck.
Deck is pretty hated. Everyone and their mom plays a Karakas somewhere.
karakas is pretty unimpressive against sneak and show, if you show and tell a griselbrand, you'll draw a bunch of cards and win regardless of karakas. It beats show and tell'd in emrakul pretty handily, but that's it. If you have emrakul and sneak attack you can just put him back in for {R} and it doesn't really matter if he connects, you just need the annihilator trigger to go off in most games.
I hope they keep printing playable morphs and this is a good step forward. It would be sad if there were so few good morph cards that it ends up being obvious to a knowledgable player what is morphed in constructed.
This lady is going to be awesome in melira pod I think, she's pod-able one sided grave hate that can reset your persist creatures. On top of all that, she's the right colors for the deck with a low cost so hard casting her isn't impossible, and her 4/4 body is nothing to scoff at.
Aside from it's applications in pod though... She's really, really boring. Graveyard hate on a mythic legend feels pretty stupid to me.
Well, this is the present set, fate reforged is probably going to be a past set based on the name, I could see the 3rd set being a future setting, where the eldrazi have already escaped escaped zendikar and are on tarkir.
I definitely do think that the appearance of sorin and ugins nexus pretty much guarunteed we will be seeing the eldrazi in the somewhat near future.
Well we have a card referencing ugin and a new sorin, could we possibly see the previously unnamed lithomancer that helped seal away the eldrazi in this block? Whatever the case is, Soren's presense makes things very interesting.
Oh man. This is exciting, maybe I'll be able to afford modern now.
On a side note, how are these not that good in standard? The way I see it, in standard it's like a shockland that always hurts you but only takes 1 life instead of 2 (as you'll be running plenty of basics) that being said it would have been neat to play a shock/fetch mana base in the 3 color block.
I don't know why anyone would want to ban fetches beyond price. The ability to run a fetch/dual mana base is one of the most attractive things about legacy to me. It's the format you get to play a really solid mana base and rarely worry about mana screw so you can focus on the rest of the game.
On brainstorm, it's probably the best card on legacy, and by far the most played.
There's always going to a be a best card though, I'd rather it be brainstorm than something truly oppresive like necropotence, Hermit Druid, bazaar, etc.
On a side note, what are people opinions about what would happen to the blue based combo decks if brainstorm was banned? I feel like it might cripple decks like storm and high tide.
This block really has been a bit too EDH focused, not complaining about kruphix in general, but they seem to be using the commander sets to cater to legacy (TNN, scavenging ooze) and the standard sets for EDH, that doesn't sit right with me. I don't play edh really, and this block hasn't printed much of anything good for older formats, and even standard has felt janky since innistrad rotated out.
At this point I'm just waiting for the next block... Or 2, I am a pretty sad magic player atm.
I could definitely see this as a 1-of in the board (or main depending on the meta) in any deck running 4 stoneforge mystic. It prevents blocking by true-name nemesis, which alone makes it good in my book. Death & taxes could easily support it, between this and spirit of the labyrinth d&t got some love.
EDIT
A lot of people are saying SoFI is better than this against TNN, you have to remember that this is a rediculous defensive card as well. You've now added a clock to match their TNN, and on top of that, if the equipped creature is untapped, they can't swing in with anything, they wanna beat with a goyf? They don't get to play any more goyfs the entire game until they waste a spell on godsend, also it turns every creature with 2 or more toughness (I wonder what 2 toughness creature a deck running equipment would use) into something that can easily block ANY relevant creature in the format barring a huge goyf or a tombstalker. I amend my statement, while this is a clock against TNN, this is also a big threat against any deck that wins by attacking with creatures.
Also wtf wizards was cruise that big a problem?
4 Death's Shadow
4 Bitterblossom
3 Remand
3 Mana Leak
4 Thoughtseize
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Serum Visions
2 Thought Scour
2 Gitaxian Probe
3 Dismember
4 Polluted Delta
2 Watery Grave
2 Steam Vents
1 Island
3 Bloodstained Mire
1 Swamp
1 Mountain
1 Blood Crypt
I have almost 0 matches under my belt with it ATM, but I will get back with results soon, some things to note, and questions i have
- If at all possible i want to keep it to 12 creatures (counting BB) and i want to keep the tried and true formula of delver+an efficient 1 drop+ an efficient 2 drop
- What do you think you could replace BB with? I was thinking either Young Pyromance,Pack rat,or Eidolon of the great revel Bob and Tombstalker are out of the question because of 4 treasure cruise
- Is the red splash even worth it? I only play bolt MD. I love the versatility it gives me, and i get some decent SB options too. I dont mind the painful mana base at all in this deck, but if cutting red has enough upsides I'd gladly do it
- Do you Guys think a deck like this has any hope to be competitive deck in any sense?
The deck feels very strong. Basically if you can force through any of your threats with discard/counter backup, its almost always enough to win. Drawing multiple deaths shadows late game is almost always a win.
karakas is pretty unimpressive against sneak and show, if you show and tell a griselbrand, you'll draw a bunch of cards and win regardless of karakas. It beats show and tell'd in emrakul pretty handily, but that's it. If you have emrakul and sneak attack you can just put him back in for {R} and it doesn't really matter if he connects, you just need the annihilator trigger to go off in most games.
Aside from it's applications in pod though... She's really, really boring. Graveyard hate on a mythic legend feels pretty stupid to me.
I definitely do think that the appearance of sorin and ugins nexus pretty much guarunteed we will be seeing the eldrazi in the somewhat near future.
On a side note, how are these not that good in standard? The way I see it, in standard it's like a shockland that always hurts you but only takes 1 life instead of 2 (as you'll be running plenty of basics) that being said it would have been neat to play a shock/fetch mana base in the 3 color block.
On brainstorm, it's probably the best card on legacy, and by far the most played.
There's always going to a be a best card though, I'd rather it be brainstorm than something truly oppresive like necropotence, Hermit Druid, bazaar, etc.
On a side note, what are people opinions about what would happen to the blue based combo decks if brainstorm was banned? I feel like it might cripple decks like storm and high tide.
At this point I'm just waiting for the next block... Or 2, I am a pretty sad magic player atm.
EDIT
A lot of people are saying SoFI is better than this against TNN, you have to remember that this is a rediculous defensive card as well. You've now added a clock to match their TNN, and on top of that, if the equipped creature is untapped, they can't swing in with anything, they wanna beat with a goyf? They don't get to play any more goyfs the entire game until they waste a spell on godsend, also it turns every creature with 2 or more toughness (I wonder what 2 toughness creature a deck running equipment would use) into something that can easily block ANY relevant creature in the format barring a huge goyf or a tombstalker. I amend my statement, while this is a clock against TNN, this is also a big threat against any deck that wins by attacking with creatures.