So, are the 4cmc creatures too slow in the deck? From my experience they have been perfect and I almost always want to see one in my opening hand every time. Cards like Venser, Shaper Savant and Mystic Snake are fantastic, especially with Ruse. I actually had tested a singleton copy of crystal shard in my version because they cannot tap out for a creature (well they can but it doesn't get them ahead on board) and it also wrecks their curve. I am interested to know if we can maybe go back to UG because Tinfoilhat said that version was good against all the decks that are performing well right now (minus affinity). Thoughts?
Why no Monastery Mentor? I feel like with the flurry of spells that we have access to it would be considered. Yes it does not dodge bolt, but most everything dies to bolt anyway (i.e. Dark Confidant, Young Pyromancer). Thats like the "it dies to removal" argument. We have Path, Bolt, Crackling Doom, Thoughtseize, Lingering Souls, Lightning Helix, and Inquisition of Kozilek. Thoughts?
Hey guys, so this is what I have been working on lately and I am loving it!!! Thanks to everyone on this thread for inspiring me to build a Ruse deck. Without further ado here it is:
So I have been playing against a lot of Tron decks, Scapeshift, and Junk and have been trouncing them all. I feel very good with where the deck is at, and I like how Ooze destroys any chance to cruise, as well as having Goyf to be that big beater that we need him to be. There are a couple unusual ones out of the board (Kaijin of the Vanishing Touch) but that card is literally pure meta for bogled enchantments. I have been really enjoying the one of snapback and been thinking about putting it to 2 copies. EE being in the main is a concession to the fact that we have almost no game to U/r Delver if you are not splashing a 3rd color. Comments and questions are welcomed and enjoyed so please do not hesitate to jump right in!
I like the Sam black deck I'm running a close parallel but with +1 sarkhan -1 wingmate and sideboard is 2 anger the gods 3 end the hostilities 2 erase 2 glare of haresy 3 ash cloud Phoenix 2 sarkhan 1 deflecting Palm. Product of getting owned by g/b hornet and abzan and devotion I just side out the eidolon and tokens and go balls to the walls with removal and win with 3 sarkhans and 3 ash clouds.
Sarkhan is also to help against u/b control with ashcloud
Any better ideas with Sam black's deck? I like how it doesn't rely on rabblemaster
Rabblemaster, while very powerful, is underwhelming right now. But, its one of those cards that you have to answer immediately, or else you could have a bad time. Unfortunately, there are only so many cards that you can try out right now due to a limited card pool. as far as Sarkhan goes, it is not really that much better against u/b control than any other option because they just downfall it in response to you making him a creature. It also gets disdainful stroked. I like cards like potentially Brimaz, King of Oreskos and Ashcloud Phoenix
Just an update: There has been an article written by BBD on Star City's website about the deck. If you are interested, he has a good take on it!! Unfortunately, you have to be a premium member.
He was playing Bant with Jeskai Ascendancy in the deck. It was the combo (Altar of the Brood, Sylvan Caryatid, Jeskai Ascendancy, and Retraction Helix with Briber's Purse) and he was running Commune with the Gods, Dig Through Time, and Draw Spells. He always comboed out on his turn and while I was playing rabblemasters, he just killed me. It seemed like a more consistent version of the older Jeskai Ascendancy build.
W/G Aggro: Game 1 he played T1 Soldier, T2 Sunblade Elf, and then T4 Polukranos. I was able to Strike, Jet, and Chained. Then I played a Rabblemaster and he could not deal with it. G2 I missed 3 land drops. G3 I mulliganed to 5 and still won off the back of Anger of the Gods.
Mono Green Devotion: G1 I was on the play and Seeker of the Way + Rabblemaster + Spells won me G1. Then G2 I turned into a control deck and won off the back of Elspeth, Sun's Champion.
Mardu Midrange: This game is so attrition based. Both game ended in a top deck war and I was able to stick a Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker to win both games.
Bant Ascendancy: This matchup is TERRIBLE. He would always go off on his turn and I never had the instant speed answer. G2 I only won because he missed 3 land drops. G3 He wrecked me on T3. I wouldn't mind some input on this matchup.
So far with the deck I am 20-2-2. The 2 draws were splits in the finals.
So do we need to throw 3 Erase in the board for the Ascendancy deck? Or is it just not that prevalent anymore?
what do you guys side out vs. constelation and sidisi deck
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I usually bring in my 25th land along with my control package (Elspeth, End Hostilities, and Angers) and board out most of my small guys, like Trivmvirate was saying.
Also, why do you not consider Eidolon of Countless Battles? I will spell out the synergy: He gets huge with Hordeling, he triggers Prowess when you bestow him (minimum 5/5 lifelink attack on turn 4 with a seeker), he counts Chained to the Rocks towards his power, and he has pseudo haste on any flyer that you have in play.
Also, 1,5/5 for Wingmate Roc. Are you for real?
I will put Eidolon of Countless Battles into the primer. The reason that it was not considered in the first place is because the R/W Aggro Decklists (at least the ones I have seen) have not been playing him. But I will add him to the primer. As far as Wingmate Roc goes, he is very mediocre when you are playing a more aggro version of the deck. He comes in too high, and as you said you have replaced him with Ashcloud Phoenix. I could see moving him up to a 2.5, but probably not any higher than that. If you feel like he should be higher, may I ask your reasoning? Thanks! Im glad we have some discussion on this thread!
3 Eternal Witness
2 Vendilion Clique
2 Kitchen Finks
1 Sower of Temptation
3 Tarmogoyf
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Mystic Snake
1 Venser, Shaper Savant
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
4 AEther Vial
2 Engineered Explosives
3 Remand
3 Mana Leak
4 Familiar's Ruse
2 Cryptic Command
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Hinterland Harbor
1 Flooded Grove
3 Ghost Quarter
4 Breeding Pool
5 Island
2 Forest
1 Reclamation Sage
2 Kitchen Finks
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Crystal Shard
1 Creeping Corrosion
1 Dispel
1 Snapback
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Kaijin of the Vanishing Touch
1 Back to Nature
1 Mystic Snake
So I have been playing against a lot of Tron decks, Scapeshift, and Junk and have been trouncing them all. I feel very good with where the deck is at, and I like how Ooze destroys any chance to cruise, as well as having Goyf to be that big beater that we need him to be. There are a couple unusual ones out of the board (Kaijin of the Vanishing Touch) but that card is literally pure meta for bogled enchantments. I have been really enjoying the one of snapback and been thinking about putting it to 2 copies. EE being in the main is a concession to the fact that we have almost no game to U/r Delver if you are not splashing a 3rd color. Comments and questions are welcomed and enjoyed so please do not hesitate to jump right in!
Rabblemaster, while very powerful, is underwhelming right now. But, its one of those cards that you have to answer immediately, or else you could have a bad time. Unfortunately, there are only so many cards that you can try out right now due to a limited card pool. as far as Sarkhan goes, it is not really that much better against u/b control than any other option because they just downfall it in response to you making him a creature. It also gets disdainful stroked. I like cards like potentially Brimaz, King of Oreskos and Ashcloud Phoenix
2 Ashcloud Phoenix
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
2 Hushwing Gryff
4 Seeker of the Way
4 Stormbreath Dragon
Planeswalkers (2)
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
Lands (24)
12 Mountain
2 Plains
4 Battlefield Forge
4 Temple of Triumph
2 Wind-Scarred Crag
Spells (18)
4 Chained to the Rocks
4 Lightning Strike
2 Magma Jet
4 Stoke the Flames
4 Hordeling Outburst
Sideboard
2 Ashcloud Phoenix
1 Hushwing Gryff
2 Banishing Light
2 Erase
2 Magma Spray
1 Chandra, Pyromaster
2 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker
2 Glare of Heresy
1 Wind-Scarred Crag
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/29864_RW-Wreck-Em.html
W/G Aggro: Game 1 he played T1 Soldier, T2 Sunblade Elf, and then T4 Polukranos. I was able to Strike, Jet, and Chained. Then I played a Rabblemaster and he could not deal with it. G2 I missed 3 land drops. G3 I mulliganed to 5 and still won off the back of Anger of the Gods.
Mono Green Devotion: G1 I was on the play and Seeker of the Way + Rabblemaster + Spells won me G1. Then G2 I turned into a control deck and won off the back of Elspeth, Sun's Champion.
Mardu Midrange: This game is so attrition based. Both game ended in a top deck war and I was able to stick a Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker to win both games.
Bant Ascendancy: This matchup is TERRIBLE. He would always go off on his turn and I never had the instant speed answer. G2 I only won because he missed 3 land drops. G3 He wrecked me on T3. I wouldn't mind some input on this matchup.
So far with the deck I am 20-2-2. The 2 draws were splits in the finals.
So do we need to throw 3 Erase in the board for the Ascendancy deck? Or is it just not that prevalent anymore?
I usually bring in my 25th land along with my control package (Elspeth, End Hostilities, and Angers) and board out most of my small guys, like Trivmvirate was saying.
I have not seen that article before! Thank you for the insight and the primer will be updated accordingly.
I will put Eidolon of Countless Battles into the primer. The reason that it was not considered in the first place is because the R/W Aggro Decklists (at least the ones I have seen) have not been playing him. But I will add him to the primer. As far as Wingmate Roc goes, he is very mediocre when you are playing a more aggro version of the deck. He comes in too high, and as you said you have replaced him with Ashcloud Phoenix. I could see moving him up to a 2.5, but probably not any higher than that. If you feel like he should be higher, may I ask your reasoning? Thanks! Im glad we have some discussion on this thread!