Based on what people have been writing online about the card, it seems like its just a weaker Anger of the gods for deck that cannot run red or is the flexibility to hit enchantments/ planeswalkers that good?
I realized last night if you don't want to use Form of the Dragon a the deck's win condition, Cruel Reality can be a nice substitute. Since the Splendor + Death's Hold combo stops them from having creatures, unless your opponent is casting a Planeswalker every turn they're eating 5 on their upkeep.
Not bad
I think you can go for the WB direction instead of mono W or WR.
The next challenge is the match up against the current META.
Epic itself does not count as "cast", thus cannot be countered by Dovescape and do the rest (creating 7 1/1).
Okay that's fair. Slow death via Shambling Vent then? I'm sure there are plenty of ways to win a game of Magic in WB when you can't cast spells
The reason I am thinking WR is because there is a Form of the Dragon that can be tutored by Enduring Ideal and treated as a win condition. Blood Moon is also great to disrupt your opponent.
It gets around most removal used in the format at the moment (Abrupt Decay, Fatal Push mainly). Plus it having Deathtouch means that it would always take something with it unless it's damaging an Indestructible creature (like Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger for example).
Now obviously I understand that there are a few problems with this that may prevent it from doing too well. The main two reasons being:
1. It's a combination of cards that cost basically infinite mana (everything about 4 in Modern is basically infinite mana)
2. It's technically a 4 card combo (even though Ideal Tutors for and put into play all 3 of the lock Enchantments)
Are there other decks you think Splendor could work in? Or does the card itself seem way too slow for Modern?
I am thinking about the same thing, but I do not start building/testing the deck yet.
My initial thought is WR based deck by adding 4 copies of Blood Moon.
Have noticed that the goyf stocks at SCG have been slow to sell. And a goyf is only 67 dollars now for SP of the 2017. Perhaps the slow sales are making the price drop??
Hopefully, it will go down even lower next month.
At the current printing rate I think 50 dollar Goyfs are coming are way. Tarmogoyf isn't as specially as it used to be, Cheap vanilla beaters are more common now. I need to pick up 3 more myself but I'm going to wait to pick them up.
Simple.
Goyf does not show up heavily in the current Modern META. Thus, the price is influenced.
At beginning when I start playing Modern, roughly speaking 6 years ago, I only have 5 decks.
I spent lots of time playing those decks and learn lots of thing and skills.
Right now, I have about 18 decks to play and I find a similar issue like you:
I have no time equally playing or tuning each of the decks as heavy as before. There are some decks where I do not touch for more than couple of months, which is sad.
My experience is, at this point, it is impossible to master ALL of those decks. The only thing you can do is focus on mastering few 'pet decks' where you really enjoy to play with. Treat the other decks as kitchen table decks or forget them.
Besides, stop making new decks too frequently. This is just too much for you to play for fun, unless your goal is become a pro-player.
Correct. But scry allows you to put any cards you don't want to see on the bottom of your deck, and Index does not. Basically, my initial point is that if you need something right now (or right next turn anyway), and anything after that point is worthless, then yes, Index is better. However, if that's not the case--and it usually isn't--then Scry is superior, because you would put all the cards you scried onto the bottom of your deck and move through your deck faster.
You know, putting the useless cards back to the bottom is nothing much different than putting them as the 3rd, 4th, and 5th card in the top (which is what Index allows you to do).
Er, you must very easy access to shuffling to make this claim. Because these effects are not similar in the least in their impact on deck progression.
In addition, if you can access the fetch lands, you can easily shuffle those useless cards back to the deck. What is the difference between put those cards at the bottom or put them on the 3rd, 4th, and 5th at the top?
If you have a fetchland, sure. What format are you suggesting to evaluate this in that has easy access to fetchlands?
And if you're asking what's the difference without shuffling it back, I'm not sure what to say to you at this point.
One more thing to notice. I am comparing this rare card with a garbage (almost...) common card, which is sad...
Oh, I can certainly agree that Index is a garbage card. Also, if this card only scried (IOW, if it was just the first part without Aftermath), it wouldn't be discussed in the least. I was more discussing the relative merits of 'Scry X' vs. 'Sort Y'.
Let's forget about fetch and shuffling stuff.
I am just talking about Scry 3 and Sort 5.
If your goal is looking for a specific key card, we all agree that Sort 5 is better than Scry 3.
If your goal is to filter out the useless cards from the top, Sort 5 (put the cards on the 3rd, 4th, or 5th at the top) does the jobs slightly worse than Scry 3 (put the cards at the bottom).
If you treat these two goals equally important, Sort 5 is on par with Scry 3.
Scry 3 is much better than sort 5.
In all points of the game there are certain cards you don't want. Being forced to keep two lands I'm your top 5 cards or being stuck with too many spells or expensive cards happen more often than not. I say this from experience since I've played both Sage Owl and Augur Owl in kitchen table and Scry is simply superior. Dead draws kill you and Scry removes them, or at least severely reduces their chances to happen.
This is maybe a worse case scenario where you have to put all of the three cards at the bottom, and hope you can get a better draw from the 4th card.
If you really need a key card and you do not hit from the top 5, the difference is:
Sort 5: You have to wait for 6 turns in order to get a new chance.
Scry 3: You have to wait for 3 turns in order to get a new chance, where the 3 useless cards are sent to the bottom of the deck.
Again, this is the worst case scenario for Sort 5.
The other way around , do you know what is the best case scenario for Sort 5?
Suppose the top 5 cards are all needed, in this case, Sort 5 does a much better job than Scry 3.
You know, putting the useless cards back to the bottom is nothing much different than putting them as the 3rd, 4th, and 5th card in the top (which is what Index allows you to do).
In addition, if you can access the fetch lands, you can easily shuffle those useless cards back to the deck. What is the difference between put those cards at the bottom or put them on the 3rd, 4th, and 5th at the top?
One more thing to notice. I am comparing this rare card with a garbage (almost...) common card, which is sad...
LOL this is like sweeping your dust under the rug vs in the garbage can. Index is very, very, very much worse than scry 3. Also, fetches are not in standard and formats with fetches likely have better blue spells than scry 3 or index lol.
Index is very much worse than scry 3. I am tired of seeing the conclusion without reasoning.
If you cannot say anything to support your argument, it is fine.
To be honest, even you can prove it, this does not change the fact that this card is useless in any construct format.
Correct. But scry allows you to put any cards you don't want to see on the bottom of your deck, and Index does not. Basically, my initial point is that if you need something right now (or right next turn anyway), and anything after that point is worthless, then yes, Index is better. However, if that's not the case--and it usually isn't--then Scry is superior, because you would put all the cards you scried onto the bottom of your deck and move through your deck faster.
You know, putting the useless cards back to the bottom is nothing much different than putting them as the 3rd, 4th, and 5th card in the top (which is what Index allows you to do).
In addition, if you can access the fetch lands, you can easily shuffle those useless cards back to the deck. What is the difference between put those cards at the bottom or put them on the 3rd, 4th, and 5th at the top?
One more thing to notice. I am comparing this rare card with a garbage (almost...) common card, which is sad...
You are assuming you are in a format that has access to fetches. Limited/T2 do not. Scry 3 for U is fair and perfectly playable. Yes this is no Serum Visions but it may see play in control.
As a person who plays Standard for more than 5 years since M12, I would predict that Scry 3 for U is not Standard playable. We can see.
Without "draw a card" effect, this spell is losing the card advantage.
Except that it gets you a card when you play the Aftermath par.t?
We need to play 4G for the Aftermath cost in order to draw that card, which is too expensive.
There is a chance to hit a creature with the help from scry 3, bit this means we need to wait until turn 5.
In Standard, this combo is less robust than Aetherworks Marvel (looking at the top 3 cards vs 6 cards). As a result, not that impressive to me.
Not exactly.
You cannot use Anger of the gods to kill Death's Shadow or Tarmogoyf, but you can deal with them using Engineered Explosives.
Not bad
I think you can go for the WB direction instead of mono W or WR.
The next challenge is the match up against the current META.
I think you can add the combo of Solemnity and Phyrexian Unlife within your deck.
In addition, you can also try Bitterblossom if you have Phyrexian Unlife.
Spend 5 mana and do nothing until your next upkeep is a joke in Modern...
The reason I am thinking WR is because there is a Form of the Dragon that can be tutored by Enduring Ideal and treated as a win condition.
Blood Moon is also great to disrupt your opponent.
There is a sample list here, but no Overwhelming Splendor involved:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-enduring-ideal-39335#paper
This combo does not work:
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/magic-rulings-archives/272821-enduring-ideal-and-dovescape
Epic itself does not count as "cast", thus cannot be countered by Dovescape and do the rest (creating 7 1/1).
What is your win condition?
I am thinking about the same thing, but I do not start building/testing the deck yet.
My initial thought is WR based deck by adding 4 copies of Blood Moon.
The card you mentioned not included in Theros block is silly.
According to the announcement today, the first PT in year 2018 is Modern, again.
May I say no....
Event Location Date Format
Pro Tour Rivals of Ixalan Bilbao, Spain February 2–4, 2018 Modern/Booster Draft
Simple.
Goyf does not show up heavily in the current Modern META. Thus, the price is influenced.
I spent lots of time playing those decks and learn lots of thing and skills.
Right now, I have about 18 decks to play and I find a similar issue like you:
I have no time equally playing or tuning each of the decks as heavy as before. There are some decks where I do not touch for more than couple of months, which is sad.
My experience is, at this point, it is impossible to master ALL of those decks. The only thing you can do is focus on mastering few 'pet decks' where you really enjoy to play with. Treat the other decks as kitchen table decks or forget them.
Besides, stop making new decks too frequently. This is just too much for you to play for fun, unless your goal is become a pro-player.
Might it is good in RG Titan shift, but not in Bring to Light scapeshift which can access 4cc sweeper.
This is maybe a worse case scenario where you have to put all of the three cards at the bottom, and hope you can get a better draw from the 4th card.
If you really need a key card and you do not hit from the top 5, the difference is:
Sort 5: You have to wait for 6 turns in order to get a new chance.
Scry 3: You have to wait for 3 turns in order to get a new chance, where the 3 useless cards are sent to the bottom of the deck.
Again, this is the worst case scenario for Sort 5.
The other way around , do you know what is the best case scenario for Sort 5?
Suppose the top 5 cards are all needed, in this case, Sort 5 does a much better job than Scry 3.
Index is very much worse than scry 3. I am tired of seeing the conclusion without reasoning.
If you cannot say anything to support your argument, it is fine.
To be honest, even you can prove it, this does not change the fact that this card is useless in any construct format.
We need to play 4G for the Aftermath cost in order to draw that card, which is too expensive.
There is a chance to hit a creature with the help from scry 3, bit this means we need to wait until turn 5.
In Standard, this combo is less robust than Aetherworks Marvel (looking at the top 3 cards vs 6 cards). As a result, not that impressive to me.