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    posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Colt47 »
    The fact the formats exist and people love playing them is more than enough proof that there's a number of people not interested in paying the price to play modern, but want a non-rotating format. The trouble is that everyone is stuck trying to find an answer to the problem of time and how to deal with wizards method of printing cards. The other problem is the speculator market and the lack of controls leading to buyouts and shady business.


    If there is such a non-rotating constructed format that is can be played less expensive than Modern, it will hurt the bunsiess of Standard.
    WOTC will not make Modern too cheap for such reason, and for the same reason, WOTC will not create (and push) a new cheaper non-rotating constructed format.

    Wish it makes sense to you.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Colt47 »
    Quote from idSurge »
    Quote from Colt47 »
    Quote from idSurge »
    I'm not arguing to argue. You are saying they want to be able to print Modern cards in Standard. I'm saying they want to print 'Eternally Standard' level cards in Standard.

    Your point is relevant to Standard, and a future format which doesnt exist. They want to be able to lean on Shock (then again look at the last Top 8 for Standard lol) and other lesser versions of Cards to have a set of staples they are comfortable with. No argument there from me.

    The point we differ on, is that you think they want Modern level cards to reprint in Standard, when...thats pretty pointless if you have Masters sets you can literally load up with value, and print money with.

    (Note to Mods: This is all relevant to Price, it is about the reprint paths Wizards chooses)

    This part here.

    Generic cards that can be skinned to whatever setting they are printing solves a lot of problems the company is having at the moment and has positive implications for modern.


    Is right, up to the 'positive implications for modern'.

    Print shock in every set from now till the end of time, its still not Bolt, and its still draft chaff as far as Modern is concerned, just like every other 'likely reprint' they would put in Standard.

    Until they start putting Goyf, Bob, Noble, and the like into Standard sets you are just off target. They are talking about cards like Shock not Lightning Bolt, cards like Essence Scatter, not even Mana Leak.

    We agree they want to have a catalog of reprint viable options. We disagree that those can or should be Modern relevant. They wont be, 99% of the time.


    That's kind of why I'm thinking wizards might make a move to try and build a new non-rotating format. Also one big misunderstanding is what would really happen if they did do this. While I'm mentioning how they would go about ending modern if they intended to do it, it's far more likely they end legacy first and just go casual -> modern (replaces legacy) -> new non-rotating format -> standard, with priorities going from right to left. The format that is going to lose any hope of seeing strictly format specific reprints would be legacy.

    If they build a baseline set of reprintable cards that every player owns, they have a format that is price managed for non-rotating, but is engineered to not be very enduring so people will go play standard to get some new thrills. Basically, that new format will probably have rules like "only evergreen mechanics are legal" or along those lines to prevent mad synergy issues like with dredge or delve.


    Thing is, nothing, and I mean NOTHING, needs to change.

    Legacy? What support does it get as is? Legacy cards are more warping than Modern.
    Modern. Nothing needs to change. The format THRIVES, and Wizards has doubled down on that with their backpedal on GP and PT Modern event counts.
    Standard. Its...Standard. If one likes to play a limited number of archetypes, with weaker cards...its there.

    Limited/Commander/Kitchen Table - Nothing needs to change, these players will and do play with stuff we would put in recycling bins and seemingly like that.

    Not only is there no need that I can see for a new format, but what purpose would it serve Wizards? They would STILL want people playing Standard (or Limited if we are honest!) above all else.


    Modern doesn't sell packs and neither would the new format directly do it, but if they can indirectly encourage people to spend more on packs they WILL do it. That is why they would start a new format from a financial perspective. Give people that affordable constructed format they can carefully maintain, but prevent from being too exciting and have too many synergies. Again, it's one route they can take, but there are others as well. I think that wizards will likely do it simply because they already see three things indicating that a middle of the road competitive format is needed to help keep players playing the game and keeping interest up: Pauper, budget modern, and frontier.

    It's not about what the players think in the end. It's about what makes them money.


    Modern makes them money. This is why WOTC pushes this format so hard.
    Why do they need to create a new format (something like....budge Modern?) and replace Modern?


    "...because they already see three things indicating that a middle of the road competitive format is needed to help keep players playing the game and keeping interest up: Pauper, budget modern, and frontier. "

    Where do you see such kind of indictation? Source or link, please.

    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Tanukimo »
    What's going on with Azusa, Lost but Seeking?

    A friend and I were just looking up her prices last night since I told him that I saw a Judge Promo on FB being sold for $16 (actually was wrong; it was Defense of the Heart). He didn't believe me. He was right. I actually had not used mine much since Summer Bloom was banned, although I run 2 in Amulet Titan, which I don't play often.

    I agree that it's probably a buyout, perhaps spurned by Todd Steven's Value Town deck.

    http://www.starcitygames.com/article/35529_The-Mayor-Of-Value-Town.html

    It's very good with Ramunap Excavator and Ghost Quarter.


    After watching the SCG tournament from Twitch last week, I am impressed that Ramunap Excavator did a good job in Modern.
    I was thinking that this is perhaps the way I should follow to improve my Knight company deck, as a result, I need some extra copies of Azusa, Lost but Seeking.
    I ordered a playset of Azusa (judge promo) from SCG, 45$ each last Monday. Now it seems to me that there are other people thinking the same thing as me and drive the buyout.



    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [SCD] - Engineered Explosives
    Quote from Breathe1234 »
    Based on what people have been writing online about the card, it seems like its just a weaker Anger of the gods for deck that cannot run red or is the flexibility to hit enchantments/ planeswalkers that good?


    Not exactly.
    You cannot use Anger of the gods to kill Death's Shadow or Tarmogoyf, but you can deal with them using Engineered Explosives.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on Overwhelming Splendor
    Quote from Skitzafreak »
    I realized last night if you don't want to use Form of the Dragon a the deck's win condition, Cruel Reality can be a nice substitute. Since the Splendor + Death's Hold combo stops them from having creatures, unless your opponent is casting a Planeswalker every turn they're eating 5 on their upkeep.


    Not bad Smile
    I think you can go for the WB direction instead of mono W or WR.
    The next challenge is the match up against the current META.

    I think you can add the combo of Solemnity and Phyrexian Unlife within your deck.
    In addition, you can also try Bitterblossom if you have Phyrexian Unlife.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on Overwhelming Splendor
    Quote from UkkuhrMakhai »
    When you're running a two curse combo you could add Curse of Misfortunes as another tutor.


    Spend 5 mana and do nothing until your next upkeep is a joke in Modern...
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on Overwhelming Splendor
    Quote from Skitzafreak »
    Quote from sss123 »

    This combo does not work:
    http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/magic-rulings-archives/272821-enduring-ideal-and-dovescape

    Epic itself does not count as "cast", thus cannot be countered by Dovescape and do the rest (creating 7 1/1).


    Okay that's fair. Slow death via Shambling Vent then? I'm sure there are plenty of ways to win a game of Magic in WB when you can't cast spells :p


    The reason I am thinking WR is because there is a Form of the Dragon that can be tutored by Enduring Ideal and treated as a win condition.
    Blood Moon is also great to disrupt your opponent.

    There is a sample list here, but no Overwhelming Splendor involved:
    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-enduring-ideal-39335#paper



    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on Overwhelming Splendor
    Quote from Skitzafreak »
    Quote from sss123 »
    What is your win condition?


    After Enduring Ideal gets Dovescape, Ideal just makes you 7 1/1 Flying Birds tokens every turn. That's your win condition.


    This combo does not work:
    http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/magic-rulings-archives/272821-enduring-ideal-and-dovescape

    Epic itself does not count as "cast", thus cannot be countered by Dovescape and do the rest (creating 7 1/1).
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on Overwhelming Splendor
    Quote from Skitzafreak »
    Honestly with Overwhelming Splendor and Curse of Death's Hold both being curses, I am wondering if Bitterheart Witch would be any good.

    It gets around most removal used in the format at the moment (Abrupt Decay, Fatal Push mainly). Plus it having Deathtouch means that it would always take something with it unless it's damaging an Indestructible creature (like Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger for example).

    I think WB would be the best main colours for a deck with the Splendor + Death's Hold combo. WHite obviously because of Enduring Ideal, but black makes it so your deck can survive the early game. You get access to Inquisition of Kozilek, Thoughtseize, and Collective Brutality for hand disruption. Fatal Push and Damnation for removal. Hell you may even run Liliana of the Veil if it would fit.


    What is your win condition?
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on Overwhelming Splendor
    Quote from Skitzafreak »
    So HOU has been out for a few weeks, and honestly I've been wondering. Does anyone think Overwhelming Splendor is good enough for Modern?

    Specifically I'm thinking about the Enduring Ideal deck.

    I think Splendor creates a really great lock against your opponent when you combine it with cards like Dovescape and Night of Souls' Betrayal/Curse of Death's Hold.

    Now obviously I understand that there are a few problems with this that may prevent it from doing too well. The main two reasons being:

    1. It's a combination of cards that cost basically infinite mana (everything about 4 in Modern is basically infinite mana)
    2. It's technically a 4 card combo (even though Ideal Tutors for and put into play all 3 of the lock Enchantments)

    Are there other decks you think Splendor could work in? Or does the card itself seem way too slow for Modern?


    I am thinking about the same thing, but I do not start building/testing the deck yet.
    My initial thought is WR based deck by adding 4 copies of Blood Moon.


    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on Core 2019
    Quote from natesroom »
    Right and they printed the best creature for Theros in a Origins "Herald of the Pantheon"...


    The card you mentioned not included in Theros block is silly.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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    posted a message on Modern PT return
    http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/organized-play/2018s-pro-tours-and-2017s-worlds-2017-07-19

    According to the announcement today, the first PT in year 2018 is Modern, again.
    May I say no....

    Event Location Date Format
    Pro Tour Rivals of Ixalan Bilbao, Spain February 2–4, 2018 Modern/Booster Draft
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from prismatic elf »
    Quote from The Fluff »
    Have noticed that the goyf stocks at SCG have been slow to sell. And a goyf is only 67 dollars now for SP of the 2017. Perhaps the slow sales are making the price drop??

    Hopefully, it will go down even lower next month. Smile
    At the current printing rate I think 50 dollar Goyfs are coming are way. Tarmogoyf isn't as specially as it used to be, Cheap vanilla beaters are more common now. I need to pick up 3 more myself but I'm going to wait to pick them up.


    Simple.
    Goyf does not show up heavily in the current Modern META. Thus, the price is influenced.

    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on Too many top decks, cant focus on any one
    At beginning when I start playing Modern, roughly speaking 6 years ago, I only have 5 decks.
    I spent lots of time playing those decks and learn lots of thing and skills.

    Right now, I have about 18 decks to play and I find a similar issue like you:
    I have no time equally playing or tuning each of the decks as heavy as before. There are some decks where I do not touch for more than couple of months, which is sad.

    My experience is, at this point, it is impossible to master ALL of those decks. The only thing you can do is focus on mastering few 'pet decks' where you really enjoy to play with. Treat the other decks as kitchen table decks or forget them.

    Besides, stop making new decks too frequently. This is just too much for you to play for fun, unless your goal is become a pro-player.





    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on HOU (and the other less official ones lately. ) spoilers discussion for Modern
    Hour of Devastation seems good in scapeshift alongside anger potentially


    Might it is good in RG Titan shift, but not in Bring to Light scapeshift which can access 4cc sweeper.
    Posted in: Modern
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