MTG Salvation

I believe Hercules had to slay a hydra.

Don't bother letting them play with their own cards. 24 Basic Land. 36 common creatures. Should cost a dime at most.

Ex. Black:

24 Swamps

1CMC:

2 Asphodel Wanderer (Teach regenerate.)

2CMC:

2 Baleful Eidolon (Teach bestow and deathtouch.)
2 Felhide Brawler
2 Fleshmad Steed
2 Nyxborn Eidolon

3CMC:

2 Blood-Toll Harpy
3 Felhide Minotaur
3 Servant of Tymaret (Expand inspired and regenerate.)

4CMC

3 Cavern Lampad (Expand bestow and teach intimidate.)
3 Disciple of Phenax (Expand devotion.)
3 Forsaken Drifters

5CMC

3 Gray Merchant of Asphodel (Teach devotion.)
3 Warchanter of Mogis (Teach inspired and expand intimidate.)

7CMC

3 Marshmist Titan (Expand devotion.)

DONT FORGOT THE Q+A THAT IS THE KEE

They will never do anything to make the game cheaper. They don't need to compete for a few reasons:

1) Rabid white-knight fanboys who think WOTC is infallible/barely profiting(lol) and who will go into a blind rage at people who play with proxies.

2) IP/Copyright laws. Nobody else can make card games BC WOTC HIT IT FIRST.

3) Tryhards who think they can win a tournament by netdecking a $400 deck.

4) People who say $400 decks are "cheep if u r adalt lmao" to justify there addiction to a children's card game (that hamster!)

Quote from TvashTar

It might simply be an interest in the thought experiment for its own sake. Or maybe he(?) is designing custom cards.

Funnily enough, I once tried inserting a sixth colour following a very different procedure and ultimate reached a nearly identical redistribution of philosophies. It seems a pretty good fit.

Yeah it's a thought experiment. I'm designing custom cards, but they are printable. I may create my own TCG in the future.

Is there somewhere I can see WOTC's (hopefully official) list of what colors get what mechanics?

EDIT: Assigning traits and gameplay:

Community: Weenie. Exalted. Global creature boosting. Balanced effects. Small tokens <8 P+T (Creature numbers getting doubled. Human = 2/2 Life = 45 or 30 in draft).
Structure: Damage prevention. Rules-setting. Taxing. Peace-making. Defense. Counter. Power reduction. Weakness/-X/-X. Poison.
Intellect: Bounce. Tap/Untap. Milling. Card text changing. Direct damage/Burn.
Selfishness: Lifelink (I would have it work different in that creatures could only be dealt damage up to their toughness). First strike. Combat-superiority. Gain control. Creature destruction. Discarding/Sacrificing/Paying life as a cost, forcing opponents to do the same. Parasitism/Syphon life.
Freedom: Vigilance. Combat tricks. Drawing. Long term ramp.
Instincts: Life gain. Non-creature permanent destruction. Agressive/Short-term. Haste. Harm the controller. Randomness. Short term ramp. Big creatures >7/7. Big tokens >8 P+T (Creature numbers getting doubled. Human = 2/2 Life = 45 or 30 in draft). Pump. Super trample(But with mandatory damage assignment). New Rampage (1).

Lands: Yellow deserts, green forests, blue mountains, purple swamps, red wasteland (idk?), orange plains.

I would have taken advantage of him. He obviously doesn't care. Trading = Good. Both sides thinking they have a good deal = Trading = Good.

People who price-check are annoying tryhards.

P.S. If there are any mods who can't tell the difference, then I would like to make a statement that I am not trolling nor flaming nor spamming. This is a serious post about my idea about the trading, and it is not spam. If I call anyone a "annoying tryhard", then I am obviouslydefinitely just joking. I am not flaming anyone, not even annoying tryhards. My statement is seriously, and I hope no one thinks I'm trolling because I do not intend to be trolling. It is completely auxillary to the main point of this thread and I AM NOT TRYING TO TRICK ANYONE OR INSULT ANYONE OR SPAM THE FORUM.

P.S.S I will write ^this on every single one of my posts until I make it two weeks w/o getting banned.

Yes, I made this post in another thread, but I am an shameless attention *****think the identities of the colors are an important part of the game. Anyway enjoy this hypothetical idea!:

Best way to do it is give primary colors traits that contradict another primary colors. Hard to explain but easy to show

Yellow: Community and Structure.

Blue: Intellect and Selfishness.

Red: Freedom and Instincts.

Then each secondary color will take the non-contradictory traits of their adjacent primary colors. Each trait of each complementary color will then contradict one trait of each other secondary color. This symmetry makes them a mix between their adjacent primarys, but the primaries are also mixes of the secondaries! This makes it so there are no major or minor colors, all are equally represented!

Green: Structure and Intellect.

Purple: Freedom and Selfishness.

Orange: Community and Instincts.

The full product

Yellow: Community and Structure. (Old W)
Green: Structure and Intellect. (Old WU)
Blue: Intellect and Selfishness. (Old UB)
Purple: Freedom and Selfishness. (Old BR)
Red: Freedom and Instincts. (R)
Orange: Community and Instincts. (Old G)



P.S. For the h83rs who think 2 allies 2 enemies is perfect. If you count yourself WUBRG is 3 allies 2 enemies. Also. Star Format. No matter how many colors there are. No matter if you have equal number of enemys and allies. It is still balanced because everyone else has the same number of enemies and allies. If you still think two allies two enemies is a good reason to have 5 colors. You are boring and h8 change and are a h83r. No one likes a boring h83r. Watch Office Space. There is still hope for boring h83rs. The transition from boring h83r to happy interesting red pill alpha anarchist playboy party animal is easy and fun. I repeat. Watch Office Space. It is a movie. It is funny.



P.S.S. If there are any mods who can't tell the difference, then I would like to make a statement that I am not trolling nor flaming nor spamming. This is a serious thread about my idea about the color wheel, and it is not spam. If I call anyone a "boring h83r", then I am obviouslydefinitely just joking. I am not flaming anyone, not even boring h83rs. My "P.S." statement is lighthearted, and I hope no one takes it seriously because I do not intend to be trolling. It is completely auxillary to the main point of this post and I AM NOT TRYING TO TRICK ANYONE OR INSULT ANYONE OR SPAM THE FORUM.

Best way to do it is give primary colors traits that contradict another primary colors. Hard to explain but:

Yellow: Community and Structure.

Blue: Intellect and Selfishness.

Red: Freedom and Instincts.

Then each secondary color will take the non-contradictory traits of their adjacent primary colors. Each trait of each complementary color will then contradict one trait of each other secondary color. This symmetry makes them a mix between their adjacent primarys, but the primaries are also mixes of the secondaries! This makes it so there are no major or minor colors, all are equally represented!

Green: Structure and Intellect.

Purple: Freedom and Selfishness.

Orange: Community and Instincts.

The full product:

Yellow: Community and Structure. (Old W)
Green: Structure and Intellect. (Old WU)
Blue: Intellect and Selfishness. (Old UB)
Purple: Freedom and Selfishness. (Old BR)
Red: Freedom and Instincts. (R)
Orange: Community and Instincts. (Old G)

Also, I'd like it if basic lands weren't basic. Tapping for green shouldn't just be forest. It can be caves or jungles or rivers! Half of the cards being plains is a waste of flavor space!

Quote from Legend

The same can be said about Flash and reduced casting cost. Neither should be a fixed aspect.

Enchantment - Aura Bounty
"Enchant creature an opponent controls
When enchanted creature dies..."

That says it all!

This. Reduced cost and flash on the same card is too complex. Maybe some of each on some of the cards.

#Also, I nominate this for best custom set of 2014.

Quote from keldonson

A working theory:

Anyone wearing a scarf (like the disciple and agent of) or has horns in the pattern of Nicol Bolas is working for him. He is using Xenagos (who also wears a scarf) as a lab rat to see how his newly found 'god' status affects his planeswalker status.

Meanwhile, back in the Batcave...Karn will open a massive portal between New Phyrexia and Zendikar to have the Eldrazi fight the Phyrexians. Once all are on New Phyrexia, he will collapse the portal and use his spark to destroy Mirrodin.

Bolas will see what is happening and try to stop this from happening. The rest of the 'good' walkers will see what is happening and run diversion to distract Bolas and his forces so that Karn can do the job.

The epicness of that is over the top (I'm not ten years old, so that is not necessarily a good thing), but it makes a lot of sense story-wise.

Xenagos is prime minion material. Could be mono-red. Xenagos, Minion of Bolas. It will be sad to see Mirrodin go, but it also is a great victory, and it seems like Mirrodin has been terraformed to be toxic to the point of no return.

I am not familiar with the story, but when Karn was a Phyrexian, could he not plainswalk? Seems like the Phyrexians would use him to contaminate other planes.

Quote from UA lives

The fakes aren't hard to spot. I'm playing in China and I've already spotted some. We had a very dramatic moment actually. I was playing at a table that was under good lighting and even in a sleeve my opponent's Elspeth looked strange. I pulled it out of the sleeve and could see based on the borders that it was a fake. I did the bend test and it failed. I then dramatically ripped it in half, during the game in front of the judge.

CHECK YOURSELF. You shouldn't destroy other people's property.

I am against turn upside-down cards.

Why? Because when they are upside-down they are rightside up to your opponent!

Quote from mystic1110

Having them only as a win condition is only parasitic to the same extent as poison counters though? I feel having them add mana and act as win conditions is doing too much.

Instead I want people to be aware of their gold counters, since people can steal gold counters or give other players gold counters for discounted effects. For example

Honest Bribe costs 1 less than act of treason, and in a constructed deck where gold counters might not be a big deal it can be included as a 1 of with no worry. But in limited its really risky. But at the same time combined with Bank Raid it is a powerful combo.

I was going to include something like:

Bankruptcy B
Instant - Common
Each player loses all gold counters

at common to balance out the sudden wins. The tension was figuring out how you want to win, but at the same time trying to do both in order to punish the other player from using cheap effects which give you gold counters. Also whether stealing or giving gold counters was a good idea or not.

This is so parasitic, metawarping and luck-based…it basically turns the game into rock paper scissors.