If you were trying to win as fast as possible I could see how Snapcaster is your weakest link.
I'm not sure if you want to just go balls to the wall for the mill. I've been playing it as a Inquisition/thoughtseize to disrupt their early game - Surgical Extraction/Extirpate key pieces of their game - then go for the mill-win.
Removal for support.
But I loved reading all your information. I'm still halfway down page 2 and will have to continue later.
My favorite mill deck is a straight Landfall Mill deck, with Hedron Crab and Ruin Ghost.
I've seen some playlists with Shelldock Isle where this could have an added benefit. You don't have to worry about trapping players if they don't search.
Baiting them to waste their answers on crap like dryad arbor , pithing needle or swinging into a fetched blocker isn't all that reliable as most people won't fall for it.
2) And you think Reclamation Sage will have a slot in this deck? Between it and Acidic Slime, which do you prefer?
3)What do you think of Coiling Oracle ? Think it is better than that Gatecreeper Vine or Quirion Trailblazer?
If you have Aluren and Cloudstone Curio in play you get draws or lands. What's so wrong with that. I'd prefer it over Trailblaze (because of the 4cc) and Gatecreeper doesn't get you a land or draw.
4)What do you think of Tidespout Tyrant? Believes it deserves a slot in this deck in slot of Fabricate? (sometimes I'm in doubt cut it or keep it)
5)What do you think of Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre? My deck is being directed combo deck and not aggro, so I'm thinking of cutting it what do you think?
Ulamog is a must. Animar can get huge quick. I'd prefer it over Tidespout Tyrant, especially if you have Cloudstone Curio because you could just bounce it and play it for free destroying everyones permanents instead of Tidespout Tyrant stuff.
6) I am also thinking of Myojin of Seeing Winds over Time Spiral? What do you think?
Myojin and Time Spiral are over kill. I'd add more tutors.
I like the idea. Maybe copy target equipment attached to Aldren Vos?
It's a good idea regardless.
Oblivion3WWW
Legendary Creature - Incarnation
When Oblivion enters the battlefield, exile target permanent. 2WWW: Banish target permanent. Activate this ability only once each turn
"The world is lost and blown
And we are flesh and blood disintegrate
With no more to hate"
3/7
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There wasn't much in theros or commander 2013 precons that excited me too much. Bow of nylea is a decent, versatile card that is tutorable by sisay. From the commander decks I like unexpected absence and possibly bane of progress.
Due to the insane amount of removal sent my way from my playgroup I think I'll try to find room for iona, shield of emeria as well.
I was just scrolling to leave the same comment. Bow of Nylea is multi-utility here. You can fetch it. You can put dead Legends on the bottom of your lib and fetch with Sisay.
I think it might be time to revisit this guy now that our pal Athreos, God of Passage is around. I mean, it seems like they did this on purpose. He even has "devotion" in his flavor text! High Priest of Penance
I'm looking at a grindy B/W deck to just keep getting value out of this guy. I'm not sure what the current B/W builds are trying.
High Priest of Penance is Elspeth hate. I played a Naya Hexproof deck and the guy kept taking out my enchantments.
If you're looking for grindy - he's a guy to get the job done.
I appreciate the response. I'm trying to make a competitive deck in the current meta, so not all of the concepts between your deck and mine will necessarily match. That being said, sometimes the best innovations are bred from having less available to you. I think I foresee your comments leading me to at least try 3 Duress in the side in place of Maggot and potentially put another 1 or 2 drop with bestow, probably spiteful returned, in the main at the cost of a Master, Baron or Armament. Thank you again for the insight.
You have Orzhov Charm in your budget deck but not the deck you want to be competitive.
Why? Especially with so much removal? And have you considered Auramancer or Odunnos River Trawler? They're like free draws and are a + in card advantage.
Have you considered running Hero of Iroas in that 75? It's a bit of a non-bo with the Eidolon of Rhetoric you're thinking of putting in, but it makes all your auras cheaper to cast, including those Pacifisms.
You're lacking a reliable draw engine to keep you going for games where you get stalled out.
You're also going to have a lot of trouble with R/w Burn decks that use Eidolon of the Great Revel and Satyr Firedancer.
Is 23 lands necessary for a curve that tops out at 3?
The Bestow is only a side effect of the enchantments. If you add Hero you're Lessening the effect of your Armor and C constellation.
Because he's running enchantments 2 Underworld Connections on top of his Blind Seers should help. Don't forget- Athreos
When I first made this deck - it played well but lacked evasion. You'd have to wait until turn 4 to attack with your flier. Oh, and you're missing Orzhov Charm and Odunnos River Trawler (you get to return TWO enchantment creatures to your hand!).
It helps get that punch in quick. I placed top 8 at a GPT (losing to the same B/g Devotion twice) It also gives you access to Detention Sphere if the game draws out.
I want to make this more of an Esper build for Athreos, God of Passage (vs Control, lots of removal) and/or Odunnos River Trawler. I really like Nyxborn Shieldmate over Gnarled Scarhide because that 3 bestow cost is huge. I don't know what I'd add beyond that beside maybe Duress and/or Thoughtseize. The only deck I've consistently lost to has been Black/Green Devotion that plays Golgari Charms main.
I also think there is a good chance of going red with this. If you're playing a lot of bestow, it's enough to put you over the top for Eidolon of the Great Revel.
I think there is a lot of potential here. And happy as hell none of the big names have taken a ride on it yet.
I sided a Hall of Triumph that plays ridiculous. I've also gone back to the original Mono Black deck because Nightveil Specters are huge and with a Hall of Triumph, out of reach of burn.
I've also tested the Master of the Feast to great effect. It beats fast so that extra draw is almost irrelevant. Especially with the 2 Whip of Erebos I play (1m/1s).
I'm gonna splash blue for Notion Thief out of the sideboard.
But, as the last poster said, Black Devotion is a control deck.
I'm not sure if you want to just go balls to the wall for the mill. I've been playing it as a Inquisition/thoughtseize to disrupt their early game - Surgical Extraction/Extirpate key pieces of their game - then go for the mill-win.
Removal for support.
But I loved reading all your information. I'm still halfway down page 2 and will have to continue later.
I've seen some playlists with Shelldock Isle where this could have an added benefit. You don't have to worry about trapping players if they don't search.
Nice.
I have a few ideas - Xathrid in Modern? Soul Sister twist?
3 Xathrid Necromancer
1 Athreos, God of Passage
3 Gravecrawler
4 Soul Warden
4 Soul's Attendant
4 Serra Ascendant
4 Path to Exile
2 Duress
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
draw, removal, discard staples to fill out.
Thoughtseize, Dark Confidant are anti-synergy.
Possibles? Ranger of Eos, gotta go. Will finish later.
The second time.
Confine could be amazing.
Confine 4 (as this ~ enters the bf, choose 4 perms you control. if any one of those permanents leave the bf, destroy this perm)
It could be a way to play a powerful card at a cheap price.
Graveraker Desecrator 1BB
Confine 4
Flying
5/5
It'll almost never come out before turn 4. It could be manipulated and it has it's costs. You can get 2 for 1ed.
City of Urbrasa
Land
Confine 2
T: Add 1 to your mana pool.
1, T: Add two mana of any one color to your mana pool.
It's a good idea regardless.
Oblivion 3WWW
Legendary Creature - Incarnation
When Oblivion enters the battlefield, exile target permanent.
2WWW: Banish target permanent. Activate this ability only once each turn
"The world is lost and blown
And we are flesh and blood disintegrate
With no more to hate"
3/7
I was just scrolling to leave the same comment. Bow of Nylea is multi-utility here. You can fetch it. You can put dead Legends on the bottom of your lib and fetch with Sisay.
And if youre to play huge creatures - Elvish Piper or Quicksilver Amulet may be an answer.
Please tell me I misread or it's wrong.
High Priest of Penance is Elspeth hate. I played a Naya Hexproof deck and the guy kept taking out my enchantments.
If you're looking for grindy - he's a guy to get the job done.
You have Orzhov Charm in your budget deck but not the deck you want to be competitive.
Why? Especially with so much removal? And have you considered Auramancer or Odunnos River Trawler? They're like free draws and are a + in card advantage.
The Bestow is only a side effect of the enchantments. If you add Hero you're Lessening the effect of your Armor and C constellation.
Because he's running enchantments 2 Underworld Connections on top of his Blind Seers should help. Don't forget- Athreos
So I went blue. Aqueous Form (cc1), Hypnotic Siren (cc1), and Flitterstep Eidolon (cc2).
It helps get that punch in quick. I placed top 8 at a GPT (losing to the same B/g Devotion twice) It also gives you access to Detention Sphere if the game draws out.
Riptide Chimera has good synergy here.
I'm still tweaking but here's the list
4 Hopeful Eidolon
4 Nyxborn Shieldmate
4 Hypnotic Siren
4 Flitterstep Eidolon
4 Eidolon of Countless Battles
3 Riptide Chimera
Enchantments:
4 Ethereal Armor
4 Detention Sphere
3 Fate Foretold
2 Oppressive Rays / Pacifism
1 Banishing Light
4 Hallowed Fountain
4 Temple of Enlightenment
3 Mana Confluence
5 Island
1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
6 Plains
2 Ajani's Presence
4 Gods Willing
3 Kiora's Dismissal
3 Celestial Flare
2 Deicide
1 Spear of Heliod
I want to make this more of an Esper build for Athreos, God of Passage (vs Control, lots of removal) and/or Odunnos River Trawler. I really like Nyxborn Shieldmate over Gnarled Scarhide because that 3 bestow cost is huge. I don't know what I'd add beyond that beside maybe Duress and/or Thoughtseize. The only deck I've consistently lost to has been Black/Green Devotion that plays Golgari Charms main.
I also think there is a good chance of going red with this. If you're playing a lot of bestow, it's enough to put you over the top for Eidolon of the Great Revel.
I think there is a lot of potential here. And happy as hell none of the big names have taken a ride on it yet.
I've also tested the Master of the Feast to great effect. It beats fast so that extra draw is almost irrelevant. Especially with the 2 Whip of Erebos I play (1m/1s).
I'm gonna splash blue for Notion Thief out of the sideboard.
But, as the last poster said, Black Devotion is a control deck.
Why are you playing a font when you have Pyromancer and Guttersnipe? Divination/Quicken