What about Ob Nixilis Reignited? Removal and card draw seems like it could fit but not sure what to remove or if its worth it already having other draw engines in the deck.
I know this deck has mainly been used for 1v1 and I see the sub list for multiplayer -- what do you think about removing Rakdos the Defiler in this case? Since typically you are only going to swing with him once? Is he still something you want to keep in there or possibly take out for another card? Similar to Master of Cruelties -- both seem lackluster in multiplayer, but I could be wrong.
I know this deck has mainly been used for 1v1 and I see the sub list for multiplayer -- what do you think about removing Rakdos the Defiler in this case? Since typically you are only going to swing with him once? Is he still something you want to keep in there or possibly take out for another card? Similar to Master of Cruelties -- both seem lackluster in multiplayer, but I could be wrong.
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I would not run Master in multiplayer. But who says you only swing once with Rakdos? I know I've been known to launch the official swing, then as needed I will attack with him again.
I know this deck has mainly been used for 1v1 and I see the sub list for multiplayer -- what do you think about removing Rakdos the Defiler in this case? Since typically you are only going to swing with him once? Is he still something you want to keep in there or possibly take out for another card? Similar to Master of Cruelties -- both seem lackluster in multiplayer, but I could be wrong.
There is not a lot of room for colourless lands and Market is just not as good as PhyTow for that role (Tower beats split second). The other colourless lands are a different purpose and usually better (more relevant than gain a life anyway).
The difference on 1BB vs BBB is a huge one, and even more noticeable on an unoptimized mana base. BBB is a legit hard cost to guarantee landing, even with the best lands. Having worse alternatives only makes this worse - it's an unneeded hardship for a deck already hated.
I didn't even recognize the fact that the tower beats split second. Good stuff! Thanks for the reply and the awesome deck. It will be awhile before my manabase is on par adding duals and some of the fetches, but I'm really liking this so far. Again, thanks for the hard work putting this together and all the testing done.
That is perfectly fine. When you have several abilities you control that triggers at once you get to put them on the stack in any order. In this case you would put the arena ability on the stack followed by the confidants. Then as every ability resolves each player gets priority and when you have priority you can cast that instant before arena resolves.
I figured this was the case, just wanted to be sure -- I'm a little rusty after not playing again for a while.
At the beginning of my upkeep, both cards trigger. Since they were simultaneous I *think* I can choose the order in which the triggers go on the stack.
I then use the Dark Confidant trigger to reveal the top card -- it's a Vampiric Tutor I put it into my hand and lose 1 life.
Now -- before the trigger from Phyrexian Arena resolves, can I respond to it and use my Vampiric Tutor to dig for a card, put it on the top of my library and then draw it with the Phyrexian Arena trigger?
Any explanation on the order of operations here would be greatly appreciated -- or if it's not legal, why.
Also, your note about using Phyrexian Arena vs. Necropotence based on the mana base -- is that because one is BBB vs. 1BB? -- how impactful is that difference overall?
I finish the Prossh player with my tricked out Soldiers. The Freyalise player is on a 1 turn clock (only at 13 health). I'm still sitting comfortable at 32 health and pass my turn.
Freyalise player has 5 1/1 Elf tokens, Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury and Beastmaster Ascension on the board. I'm feeling OK with enough chump blockers and health to withstand an assault from their Elves and triggering Beastmaster Ascension. They had 2 cards left in hand.
Freyalise player attached boots to the Siege Behemoth, and swings with everything. Beastmaster Ascension triggers giving them all +5/+5. Player assigns all damage to me for lethal.
Bottom line, I simply chose the wrong player to take out first. Prossh was the most dangerous at the time of the decision, and Freyalise only had 1 card in hand at the time. Took my chances and lost to a top deck miracle (Siege Behemoth)
I can certainly say, that if I'm gonna lose, I want to lose like that. Just out of left field, totally unexpected. It was fantastic.
Ok, so I've essentially built this deck -- but I didn't get a few cards due to budget constraints at this time. The ones I skipped or haven't bought yet are:
Had a game last night where I had opponent on a one turn clock. Then they dropped Siege Behemoth and gave it Swiftfoot Boots and swung. For A lot.
If I blocked the Siege Behemoth with a creature that had first strike and had enough to kill the Behemoth, would that stop his ability that let's opponent deal their combat damage as though his creatures weren't blocked?
Awesome guys, thanks for the quick replies!
Thanks!!!
I didn't even recognize the fact that the tower beats split second. Good stuff! Thanks for the reply and the awesome deck. It will be awhile before my manabase is on par adding duals and some of the fetches, but I'm really liking this so far. Again, thanks for the hard work putting this together and all the testing done.
I figured this was the case, just wanted to be sure -- I'm a little rusty after not playing again for a while.
Thanks for the quick response!
I have Dark Confidant and Phyrexian Arena on the board.
At the beginning of my upkeep, both cards trigger. Since they were simultaneous I *think* I can choose the order in which the triggers go on the stack.
I then use the Dark Confidant trigger to reveal the top card -- it's a Vampiric Tutor I put it into my hand and lose 1 life.
Now -- before the trigger from Phyrexian Arena resolves, can I respond to it and use my Vampiric Tutor to dig for a card, put it on the top of my library and then draw it with the Phyrexian Arena trigger?
Any explanation on the order of operations here would be greatly appreciated -- or if it's not legal, why.
Thanks for the help!
Also, your note about using Phyrexian Arena vs. Necropotence based on the mana base -- is that because one is BBB vs. 1BB? -- how impactful is that difference overall?
Thanks!!!!
No problem, hope you get well soon!
I appreciate the work you put into this and I'm enjoying the deck a lot. Thanks for the help and guidance!
I have 4 1/1 soldiers out, one has Argentum Armor and Sword of Feast and Famine other has another Argentum Armor(one is a copy thanks to Masterwork of Ingenuity) and a Sword of Body and Mind
I finish the Prossh player with my tricked out Soldiers. The Freyalise player is on a 1 turn clock (only at 13 health). I'm still sitting comfortable at 32 health and pass my turn.
Freyalise player has 5 1/1 Elf tokens, Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury and Beastmaster Ascension on the board. I'm feeling OK with enough chump blockers and health to withstand an assault from their Elves and triggering Beastmaster Ascension. They had 2 cards left in hand.
Casts 1st card: Swiftfoot Boots
At this point I'm like
Casts 2nd card: Siege Behemoth
My face goes
Freyalise player attached boots to the Siege Behemoth, and swings with everything. Beastmaster Ascension triggers giving them all +5/+5. Player assigns all damage to me for lethal.
Bottom line, I simply chose the wrong player to take out first. Prossh was the most dangerous at the time of the decision, and Freyalise only had 1 card in hand at the time. Took my chances and lost to a top deck miracle (Siege Behemoth)
I can certainly say, that if I'm gonna lose, I want to lose like that. Just out of left field, totally unexpected. It was fantastic.
The card overall is nice in a lot of W/U/x setups I think, and if you have room for him, go for it. The pillowfort effect is handy too.
Karn Liberated
Extraplanar Lens
Mind's Eye
Exploration
Mirri's Guile
All Is Dust
Scapeshift
Greater Good
I plan on picking these up over time for sure since I really like them, but if you were to order them by importance, what would that look like?
Thanks!
If I blocked the Siege Behemoth with a creature that had first strike and had enough to kill the Behemoth, would that stop his ability that let's opponent deal their combat damage as though his creatures weren't blocked?
Secondly, I don't have any Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre -- but I do have Kozilek, Butcher of Truth that I'm not using anywhere -- is that a decent sidegrade to save some scratch?