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  • chaos021's avatar
    May 14, 2019
    chaos021 posted a message on Jund
    I'm just riding with Assassin's Trophy. It cleans up most of that stuff at instant speed and is still relevant against other decks. I will say that U am a little more interested in Abrupt Decay lately.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • chaos021's avatar
    May 7, 2019
    chaos021 posted a message on Jund
    The first live run went very well. I was shocked. I also initially wasn't a fan of the idea, but Jeskai had done it to decent success (when Lightning Bolt was better positioned), which is why I didn't think it would be a huge problem. I don't know how the guy I saw on Facebook did it with 24 lands, but I went to 25. It seems unbelievably greedy to run any Field of Ruin in a 3-color deck. In any case, I'm going to continue tweaking it. It seems pretty nice against Tron and control builds. I'm looking to test against Phoenix and Humans next.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • chaos021's avatar
    May 7, 2019
    chaos021 posted a message on Jund
    I agree. Based on a list someone else is also currently tweaking, I increased the number of Field of Ruins I've been playing to three, and it has been fantastic! I don't know why I was so scared to try it since I've done similar things with Jeskai. It was recently posted on the FB group, and I've already seen that SSpeigel is not a fan of it, but it's been really sweet for me.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • chaos021's avatar
    May 6, 2019
    chaos021 posted a message on Jund
    Quote from Spsiegel1987 »
    Three of those jund players were top calibur players in the pro scene. Think the jund results are skewed


    I seriously don't understand this logic. Are you telling me they beat up chumps?

    This is the way I see it. They piloted what most pros consider to be an "underpowered" deck for the format, and a good percentage of them did fairly well against top flight competition.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • chaos021's avatar
    May 6, 2019
    chaos021 posted a message on Jeskai Control
    My problem is that it still seems really slow against UR Phoenix,, and I have that and dredge showing up to the local shop. I did let someone borrow Jeskai Nahiri from me several weeks ago and stomped everything, but that tourney was basically a ton of midrange and 1 red aggro deck. I mean it's good enough, but I'm still terrified that I'll end up matched against Dredge or Phoenix decks.
    Posted in: Control
  • chaos021's avatar
    Apr 26, 2019
    chaos021 posted a message on Jund
    Leyline of the Void becomes significantly better with the London mulligan. Just based on how I'm seeing sideboards built now, I think we should already have switched over Leylines any way. The London mulligan will make it so that we don't ever need more than three (possibly only 2) Leylines.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • chaos021's avatar
    Apr 23, 2019
    chaos021 posted a message on Jund
    It's just "rock-ified" Jund. This isn't new. I will say Liliana, the Last Hope isn't worth a maindeck slot these days.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • chaos021's avatar
    Apr 12, 2019
    chaos021 posted a message on Modern Esper Draw-Go
    Quote from user-11186802 »
    Hello, why play esper over something like uw ?


    Esper Charm and Fatal Push are really good right now.
    Posted in: Control
  • chaos021's avatar
    Apr 7, 2019
    chaos021 posted a message on Proliferate and Sagas
    Just like I made the choice to Vraska's Contempt your Rekindling Phoenix. This is a non-issue.
    Posted in: Standard (Type 2)
  • chaos021's avatar
    Apr 6, 2019
    chaos021 posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from Bearscape »
    Against UW and tron I both want Negate, but I might want Disdainful stroke since that is slightly better against tron even though it's worse against UW. However most of the things I want to counter out of UW are also cmc4 so the downsides of running Disdainful Stroke are beaten by the upsides it gains vs tron.

    Against UW and tron I both want Dovin's Veto, but I might want Disdainful stroke since that is slightly better against tron even though it's worse against UW. UW mirrors are generally decided by who resolves the first threat and Dovin's Veto is so devastating there that the upsides of Disdainful Stroke do not outweigh the upsides of Dovin's Veto.

    It's also false to claim UWx is the only matchup where uncounterability is relevant; there's plenty of minor combo decks that get got pretty hard by it. I can also see an argument for bringing in DV whilst I wouldn't bring in Negate vs GDS,.


    Why would you specifically want Dovin's Veto against Tron over Negate when the only counter magic they run is Warping Wail, which does exactly 0 relevant things against us?

    And as far as the combo decks, I guess it depends? /shrug. Until they become more oppressive/dominant/whatever, I'd rather stay grounded in what actually is.

    Why would you bring in anything resembling Negate against Grixis Death's Shadow? That just seems bad. They're beating you with mana efficiency all day, every day. Not only that, but what's your plan for Negate in this match? Get their 1-of Liliana of the Veil or maybe a random cantrip on turn 2? I'm legitimately confused about this because there are so many other cards I'd rather have before going for an upgraded Negate. They're not trying to play Grixis control against you.

    I didn't claim UW control was the only deck I would want Dovin's Veto. I said out of the "top decks right now." If Jeskai control, Grixis control, Blue Moon, Ad Nauseam and a few other decks were prevalent, I would probably consider it more seriously. Until that day comes, I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.
    Posted in: Control
  • chaos021's avatar
    Apr 3, 2019
    chaos021 posted a message on Jeskai Control
    That literally makes no sense. If it's supposedly that good than Negate should've been pretty damn good already. Making Negate uncounterable doesn't suddenly make it leaps and bounds better than every other counter spell out there. That's determined by the metagame. It's the reason we run so many different counter spells. I feel like everyone is trying really hard to justify something that doesn't make sense, but y'all do what you want. If i look at the top decks right now, there's not many where I'm leaning super hard on a Negate (upgraded or not). Those decks are Tron, UW control and Burn. There's only one matchup where Dovin's Veto is something I would want: UW Control which is a solid ~4% of the metagame. Someone tell me where I'm wrong.
    Posted in: Control
  • chaos021's avatar
    Apr 2, 2019
    chaos021 posted a message on Modern Esper Draw-Go
    Quote from Arkmer »
    Veto is a control policing card that goes in control in a meta where control doesn't hold much meta share; chances are this will create more one sided control mirrors (UWx vs non-UWx). The card is virtually indistinguishable against decks with no counters, but as soon as you sit across from a Grixis control player, you will find that you have an incredibly easy time with Veto in your hand.

    If they're sculpting a better hand than you? Doesn't matter, Veto their walker/Ultimatum/non-creature bomb.

    You might immediately point at Counterflux or Last Word, but I would point out that 3 and 4cmc counters are pretty terrible unless they come with great upsides. Veto is just a straight upgrade to an already playable card. No one is clamoring over Cancel only to find they're outclassed by Counterflux, much less Last Word. There is just more reason to run Veto because Negate is already a thing and Cancel is not.

    For some control players (myself included), a combination of Veto and Teferi beg the question "Will WotC ever support non-UWx control?" and "What do my colors bring to the table that can compete with UWx?". In the long run if a deck like Grixis control begins to find time in the sun Veto will move in and take over.



    I find this position somewhat silly because, by virtue of what you just said, it's better against control (and combo) than for it. I would find it more likely that some UWx aggro, tempo or midrange deck would make better use of Dovin's Veto than the control decks everyone wants to slam it in.

    As far as supporting non-UWx control decks, I'm not sure why it even matters. Control as an archetype is fairly weak across the board. UW and Jeskai can sometimes make in-roads in the hands of really good players, but even they aren't having the time of their life right now.
    Posted in: Control
  • chaos021's avatar
    Apr 2, 2019
    chaos021 posted a message on Jeskai Control
    And in those situations, you usually want those specific spells for a reason. For instance, Dispel against fast decks where 2-CMC isn't where you want to be. Disdainful Stroke hits big CMC things whether they're creatures or not in a variety of matchups. Counterflux can hit the a stack full of Storm copies. An uncounterable Negate doesn't change any of this.
    Posted in: Control
  • chaos021's avatar
    Apr 2, 2019
    chaos021 posted a message on Modern Esper Draw-Go
    I'm curious why an uncounterable Negate has contol players in a flutter. We're not drowning in control mirrors. Negate is just fine if want a Negate-effect. That said, if Negate wasn't so good before that we were playing four of them in our 75, what does making it uncounterable do for a control player who is unlikely to be dealing a mirror these days?

    Also @Baz66, I would counter Ad Nauseam. Not Lightning Storm.
    Posted in: Control
  • chaos021's avatar
    Apr 2, 2019
    chaos021 posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from Bearscape »
    Quote from chaos021 »
    Really? Four of them? Has Negate been a rockstar while I've been away?

    Seriously, it's not like control mirrors are all over Modern right now.


    One Negate is pretty standard main, and I often have 3 counterspells in my sideboard mixing between Dispel, Negate, Disdainful Stroke and Counterflux. I think Dovin's Veto is better than all 4 of those.


    If that's the case, why weren't those other counterspells in your sideboard also Negates?
    Posted in: Control
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