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A Reckoning on Kamigawa
 
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  • posted a message on Jund
    No. How is discussion of something that isn't relevant matter? It's not unbanned so what's the point of talking about it?
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from Alpha_D87 »
    I played against vizier company today, geist was not so great. I'm seriously thinking about monastery mentor in the main since we now have opt. What do you think about it?


    You are the control against Vizier Company, and you have to play really tight. One mistake can, and often does, lose you the game assuming you don't get crapped on by your deck.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jund
    Quote from heyitsBBG »
    BBE is 100% getting unbanned at some point. It's the most obvious choice to take off the list.


    And this is useful how?
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jund
    If what you say is true, they literally would have no reason to make any changes then.
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jund
    Rumors from who? There have been rumors of unbannings for years
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from Bearscape »
    Quote from chaos021 »
    Keranos is only faster if you're drawing non-lands for every trigger. In any case, good luck to you if you're running Keranos. I'm with CodyX on this one. It's straight up bad.


    And even that's not true lol, Sunny Elspeth's soldiers outrace Keranos easily even if you get a bolt every turn

    Keranos saw play because UR decks saw play and used it, jeskai took over their tech


    True. I was thinking of scenarios where you flip direct damage and then get to sling some direct damage and/or Snap it back.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Keranos is only faster if you're drawing non-lands for every trigger. In any case, good luck to you if you're running Keranos. I'm with CodyX on this one. It's straight up bad.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Post-rotation UB(x) control
    Quote from Nayenyezgani »
    Quote from chaos021 »
    I still think Temur Energy is the best overall deck, but fixing the tokens match isn't a problem for UB control anyway. The problem stems from trying to finish the game off in a reasonable fashion. I actually wonder if we're supposed to be more aggressive in that match. We have several tools to fix that if it becomes a main stay in Standard.


    Try using Gifted Aetherborn in the board against tokens, it keeps your life up and they board out push so it stays around and will eventually eat a cast out. A basic u/b list should beat temur, or, at least, that's what I've experienced online. The guy who won the nationals today has the best list I've seen for this meta game. The Glint-Sleeve Siphoner is great against control mirrors.


    I haven't had a problem beating tokens. I'm just musing on whether we should be concerned with it (i.e., devote sideboard slots to that match).
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Standard)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from djphan25 »
    i wouldn't say keranos is that bad.... it's great against most other midrange decks except for eldrazi tron... i will say that if you are playing geist you probably don't want keranos as it would be a bit redundant... it's basically a lower costed elspeth and if you're on 24 or less lands you want your finisher to not cost 6 cmc....

    if you're playing keranos you want to transform into more of a control deck postboard... if you're playing 8 or more creatures with keranos then you're probably doing it wrong since you don't want to be behind on board when casting him...



    Keranos and Elspeth aren't comparable. Keranos is good on board control aspects when Lightning Bolts are good. Otherwise, there are just better draw engines. Elspeth dominates a board that isn't completely out of control while protecting you.

    Also, when I cast Keranos back in the day, I did not want to be behind on the board. That only complicates the math on whether you can take a turn off to do so.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Post-rotation UB(x) control
    I still think Temur Energy is the best overall deck, but fixing the tokens match isn't a problem for UB control anyway. The problem stems from trying to finish the game off in a reasonable fashion. I actually wonder if we're supposed to be more aggressive in that match. We have several tools to fix that if it becomes a main stay in Standard.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Standard)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    I can't believe this. Peter Ingram took Nahiri control to a top 8 finish at SCG Classic Charlotte. I watched that guy flub wins away against aggro decks, but somehow he's making Nahiri control work. WTF?!

    Are SCG events really that bad as far as the level of competition or is something else going on?
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from Spsiegel1987 »
    With Nahiri not really a card, how come Keranos isn't being played in the sideboard again?


    It's unbelievably slow. Not to mention, when Lightning Bolt isn't good, it's not that good either. Even most of the the Draw-Go versions of control don't bother playing it.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Just looking at the known, top tier decks if you were to go to a major tourney right now, I would say it's good against Affinity, the mirror, Eldrazi and Taxes, Burn (something you mentioned), UW control, Vizier Company and GB/x decks.

    Spell Snare hardly seems like a "cheesy" answer. It always trades up in mana, and I always appreciate efficiency, especially in the early turns on the draw. If your metagame doesn't revolve around the first four turns, that's awesome, but that scenario isn't common. That said, if it's bad for, it's just that. I'm not arguing that point.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jund
    Because Death's Shadow became a thing that does what Jund does but in a more concise or compact manner time-wise. That combined with the questionable usefulness (at times) of Lightning Bolt, the rise of Fatal Push, which hurts our more effective threats, has caused Jund and Abzan to decline a bit. Abzan is now as good, if not better, than Jund now that the mana base for it isn't as clunky and they have an efficient removal spell in Fatal Push that helps their early game (unlike Path to Exile). So even if you were to take a walk on the midrange GB/x side, most competitive pilots have shown a preference for Abzan over Jund even though neither is a popular deck choice at the moment.
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    That's why it depends on what you expect to play against. Decks aren't just generically good just because they exist. Your list matters. So if you're facing a ton of Tron, then I wouldn't expect that Spell Snare to be good. It's all about context so you just saying it's largely dead for you without context means a whole boat load of nothing.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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