It depends on your win condition. If you're going to attack, then yes, pack in the lords, but don't forget to add Sinew Sliver for 12. If you're attacking, I also recommend Magma Sliver though he doesn't work at all with Crystalline Sliver, but then you can swap in Opaline Sliver for your card draw instead; now if your opponent decides to use removal, you just get more Slivers.
If you want to stick to attacking and Crystalline Sliver, go for lords and either of the Double Strike Slivers. Trample, Lifelink are obvious auto includes as well.
Just find what you need from here. There is a Sliver for very nearly everything.
Sweet, thanks for your help! Now I need to get to bed.
The way I see it, you must include 4 Gemhide Sliver/Mana-who-its, and 4 Homing Sliver in any Sliver deck. That way you can get your mana fixed ASAP and then find/play any sliver in your deck ASAP. You really only need 1 of every other sliver, because after that it's all about tool boxing your deck together; at that point you can get multiples of what you want to make it more consistent. Once you acquire Haste the mana ramp gets to be pretty insane.
I've also added Gavony Township to the land base. The +1/+1 counters can really go along way to beef up the slivers if I need something to pump mana into. Reflecting Pool also seems nice...
As you can see my land base seems kind of odd. As for slivers, I only added 3 crystalline sliver because targeted removal seems light in my meta, and they provide no protection against mass removal. I'm also in the need of some recursion, so the deck will surely change once I get some more questions answered.
On a side note: Do multiple Descendants' Paths allow me to look at more than one card? (Sorry if this is a dumb question, still getting used to rulings)
Edit: I did some testing with this exact deck, and it already seems super fast (often getting a legendary on turn 3-5).
Yay for Sliver decks with no budget! Prepare to be hated!
Haha, my meta is pretty tough and has lots of strong decks, i'm sure they can deal with it.
It's perfectly possible to build a Rainbow Green Sliver deck (by which I mean a five-colour deck where green is the main colour, and the other four are in support).
Green gives you four Gemhide Slivers and Descendants' Path at the least. The WotC foil Sliver deck used Wild Pair, which is also effective.
Completely forgot about Descendants' Path, that seems very strong in this deck.
Acidic Sliver (which gives you a non-attack-based alt-win-con for times when your Slivers can't breach defenses... I have won more games with this Sliver than I've had hot dinners).
Acidic Sliver huh? The 2 colorless mana you have to pay to sacrifice them seemed a little lack-luster to me. I'm by no means an expert, but you really think hes worth running over other slivers?
As for the mana base, I'm not sure exactly how to go about it. Ancient Ziggurat and Gemstone Mine seem like auto-includes unless someone can convince me otherwise. Next to that would I just add in 8 or so forests and a couple of each color? With gemhide slivers it seems good to me. I don't know whether or not to include both Gemhide Slivers AND manaweft slivers, would both be over doing it?
Hi again! I have a couple Sliver Queens, Sliver overlords, and Sliver legions laying around and want to build a multiplayer sliver deck! Being new to slivers and the game in general, I came here for advice :). Obviously these 3 legendary slivers don't all need to be in there, in-fact none of them do if it makes the deck less efficient and/or I don't need to go 5 colors.
As for draw, I don't know. I am in blue, so Rhystic Study seems great
So what would the core of the deck be? There are plenty of options to go from there. I mostly came here because there are so many options and i'm lost on what to choose. Advice?
P.S. I have no budget. Our Ban-list is mostly the Legacy ban-list and no infinite combos.
@Cz: You didn't have to make BOTH Blood Baron and DoP a 4 of :D. Or is that how it really should be? Anyways what about exquisite blood? It seems powerful to me. You don't think soul warden's are needed? Maybe the new Archangel of Thune coming in m14? Ajani's pridemate? Agent of masks? I don't know, i'm just tossing around a bunch of different cards.
My meta has very little wrath effects and as such I don't see oversold cemetery being used very often, if at all. Edit: I mean sure, they can die from other means, but in general I very rarely have 4+ creatures in my graveyard when we play unless i'm playing a deck that WANTS creatures in there.
I'm personally bad at making decks and am somewhat new to magic so I don't know how to go about it, but it would be fun to put my blood barons to use in multiplayer. Any sample lists/ideas? I have no budget so it can be expensive as well.
It's right up there with Wurmcoil Engine with respect to being the dumbest "fair" creature ever printed. With a sac outlet you're immune to removal, counters and I mean even blockers are lackluster options at best. With Stinkweed Imp and/or Buried Alive it's incredibly easy to dump multiples into your GY early on and from there it's only a matter of time before people lose.
My only problem is knowing what to cut. Could you (or anyone) give me an example of what a deck list would look like with the N.disks AND the demigod of revenge? Obviously the 2 vault skirges, the R.Of Xathrids, some R.Skeletons, pherhaps the bloodline keepers + D.Kalastria Bloodchief.....then what?
It's right up there with Wurmcoil Engine with respect to being the dumbest "fair" creature ever printed. With a sac outlet you're immune to removal, counters and I mean even blockers are lackluster options at best. With Stinkweed Imp and/or Buried Alive it's incredibly easy to dump multiples into your GY early on and from there it's only a matter of time before people lose.
Sounds fun, maybe ill try that to. My meta has basically no graveyard hate.
Thanks for the replies everyone, it really helped!
Changing directions, if you ever want to mix things up, a deck that is based around recursive creatures with sacrifice effects plus Grave Pact can also do a good job of shutting tribal decks down. Well, perhaps except for Thopter Foundry- that deck is so dang efficient.
Neither Black Sun's Zenith nor Mutilate have any interaction with Phyrexian Obliterator. The Obliterator specifies "damage," and neither card deals damage - one places -1/-1 counters, and the other gives creatures -1/-1 until end of turn. You'll probably lose the Obliterator to either spell at most points of the game, but it won't also force you to sacrifice any permanents.
Yes, you should invest in a single No Mercy. It's a good card to have, but I don't think you need more than one copy.
Hi, im new to the forums and pretty new to magic as well. My whole family is in to magic and as such we often play 4-5 player ffa's. Using cards that my dad owns and with a little researching of what cards are decent-good in a multiplayer setting I quickly built this deck which I need help improving on. My budget is very, very open so don't be affraid to go crazy and cut lots of things if you believe I should.
Edit: also, the decks im usually up against are as follows:
An elf tribal deck with eldrazi monuments (this deck can get lots of HUGE creatures).
A tribal merfolk deck (scary if it gives me a spreading seas)
My dad plays a bunch of random decks ranging from bird tribal to a controll magic/clone kind of deck
And lastly an artifact deck based around the thopter foundry combo (but it doesnt go infinite since we dont allow it)
I realize a control based strategy could be very affective, but i really want to be aggro focused
Sweet, thanks for your help! Now I need to get to bed.
Done
Hmm, good insight. However, shouldn't the lords (Muscle Sliver and Predatory Sliver) be more than just 1-of's?
I've also added Gavony Township to the land base. The +1/+1 counters can really go along way to beef up the slivers if I need something to pump mana into. Reflecting Pool also seems nice...
So maybe something like this:
4 Gemhide Sliver
4 Muscle Sliver
4 Predatory Sliver
4 Manaweft Sliver
4 Homing Sliver
1 Sinew sliver
1 Winged Sliver
1 Crystalline Sliver
1 Toxin Sliver
1 Might Sliver
1 Brood Sliver
1 Shifting Sliver
1 Spined Sliver
1 Horned Sliver
1 Talon Sliver
1 Pulmonic Sliver
1 Bonescythe Sliver
1 Sentinel Sliver
1 Sliver Legion
1 Sliver Queen
1 Sliver Overlord
Land:
4 Ancient Ziggurat
4 Gemstone Mine
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Reflecting Pool
2 Forest
2 Gavony Township
4 Gemhide Sliver
4 Muscle Sliver
3 Predatory Sliver
4 Winged Sliver
3 Crystalline Sliver
3 Toxin Sliver
2 Might Sliver
2 Brood Sliver
2 Manaweft Sliver
1 Shifting Sliver
1 Spined Sliver
1 Horned Sliver
1 Talon Sliver
1 Homing Sliver
1 Sliver Legion
1 Sliver Queen
1 Sliver Overlord
4 Descendants' Path
Land:
4 Ancient Ziggurat
4 Gemstone Mine
7 Forest
2 Plains
2 Mountain
2 Island
As you can see my land base seems kind of odd. As for slivers, I only added 3 crystalline sliver because targeted removal seems light in my meta, and they provide no protection against mass removal. I'm also in the need of some recursion, so the deck will surely change once I get some more questions answered.
On a side note: Do multiple Descendants' Paths allow me to look at more than one card? (Sorry if this is a dumb question, still getting used to rulings)
Edit: I did some testing with this exact deck, and it already seems super fast (often getting a legendary on turn 3-5).
Haha, my meta is pretty tough and has lots of strong decks, i'm sure they can deal with it.
Completely forgot about Descendants' Path, that seems very strong in this deck.
Acidic Sliver huh? The 2 colorless mana you have to pay to sacrifice them seemed a little lack-luster to me. I'm by no means an expert, but you really think hes worth running over other slivers?
As for the mana base, I'm not sure exactly how to go about it. Ancient Ziggurat and Gemstone Mine seem like auto-includes unless someone can convince me otherwise. Next to that would I just add in 8 or so forests and a couple of each color? With gemhide slivers it seems good to me. I don't know whether or not to include both Gemhide Slivers AND manaweft slivers, would both be over doing it?
Anyways, the most notable slivers to me are:
Shifting Sliver-Because unblockable slivers can be insane
Talon Sliver+Toxin Sliver=All creatures without first strike lose in combat.
Winged Sliver and Galerider Sliver-Flying slivers is always nice
Predatory Sliver and Muscle Sliver-Sliver lords!
Manaweft Sliver and Gemhide Sliver-Great for mana production, especially if i'm going 5 colors
Spined Sliver-Seems nice for attacking
Horned sliver-Trample is always great, especially with all the boosts they will be getting.
Homing Sliver-Tutoring up a legendary sliver? Seems sweet if i'm running one of them.
Crystalline Sliver-Protection from removal is also nice.
As for draw, I don't know. I am in blue, so Rhystic Study seems great
So what would the core of the deck be? There are plenty of options to go from there. I mostly came here because there are so many options and i'm lost on what to choose. Advice?
P.S. I have no budget. Our Ban-list is mostly the Legacy ban-list and no infinite combos.
My meta has very little wrath effects and as such I don't see oversold cemetery being used very often, if at all. Edit: I mean sure, they can die from other means, but in general I very rarely have 4+ creatures in my graveyard when we play unless i'm playing a deck that WANTS creatures in there.
I'm personally bad at making decks and am somewhat new to magic so I don't know how to go about it, but it would be fun to put my blood barons to use in multiplayer. Any sample lists/ideas? I have no budget so it can be expensive as well.
My only problem is knowing what to cut. Could you (or anyone) give me an example of what a deck list would look like with the N.disks AND the demigod of revenge? Obviously the 2 vault skirges, the R.Of Xathrids, some R.Skeletons, pherhaps the bloodline keepers + D.Kalastria Bloodchief.....then what?
Sounds fun, maybe ill try that to. My meta has basically no graveyard hate.
Ive got a zombie deck just for that.
Really? My noob self didn't realize this, thanks.
@Cz: Thanks for the advice, ill be sure to take it all under consideration! In particular, Nevinyrall's disk seems like a great option with volrath's stronghold and the sepulchral primordrial.
Edit: Any recommendations on how many Disks to add?
My only problem is that if I have phyrexian obliterator out then it can sometimes screw me over. Also, should I invest in a single no mercy?
4 phyrexian obliterator
4 vampire nighthawk
4 reassembling skeleton
1 grave titan
2 bloodline keeper
1 drana, kalastria bloodchief
2 wurmcoil engine
2 vault skirge
4 exsanguinate
2 ring of xathrid
1 phyrexian reclamation
1 demonic tutor
4 phyrexian arena
1 loxodon warhammer
1 sword of war and peace
2 lashwrithe
20 swamp
Edit: also, the decks im usually up against are as follows:
An elf tribal deck with eldrazi monuments (this deck can get lots of HUGE creatures).
A tribal merfolk deck (scary if it gives me a spreading seas)
My dad plays a bunch of random decks ranging from bird tribal to a controll magic/clone kind of deck
And lastly an artifact deck based around the thopter foundry combo (but it doesnt go infinite since we dont allow it)
I realize a control based strategy could be very affective, but i really want to be aggro focused