The problem with Wizard's "too strong for standard" strategy is twofold:
- people get bored over an overwhelmingly huge number of crap cards
- anytime a slightly better than usual card gets printed the format collapse
Do you think any banned card in standard would have been banned with Lightning Bolt, Counterspell, Force of Will, Liliana of The Veil, Thoughtseize, Abrupt Decay and so on in the format?
Our FNM numbers haven't dwindled much, but this is probably only due to the mid to high EV the store provides. The promos were only bonus. The difference now is people drop quickly because they don't care if they win a random promo at the end. Total, complete, apathy. If the playmat wasn't sick, the Store Championship would be looking the same way.
If wotc sees this we're doomed to be served just tokens and no more playmats for store championships as well
Double-sided cards are more expensive to print maybe this is a way for wizards to justify investing in double-sided printers.
Actually, tokens are made on cheap paper, not the same paper they use for actual cards. It's a safe bet to assume foil double sided tokens cost them less than foil single side cards.
Stuff along these lines seems like the could be interesting:
Energy Counter 1U
Instant
Choose target spell. You get EE, then you may pay any amount of Energy. ~ counters that spell, unless its controller pays 1 for each E paid.
Energy Prison 3
Artifact
Creatures can't attack unless their controller pays E for each creature he or she controls that's attacking.
Gremlin Guide R
Creature - Gremlin
Haste
Whenever ~ attacks, defending player gains E
2/2
Energy Converter 1
Artifact t, E: Add C to your mana pool.
First strike
Sacrifice Gremlin Hexmage: target opponent loses all energy counters.
2/1
When you read threads and ideas like these, that really puts into perspective the "opinions" of your average MTG player about "this or that mechanic is OP" / "that card should be banned/unbanned because my opinion"....
Then you miss al the fun of casting random crazy ideas that will never make it to print
1. Being like herself as always
2. Having a veil
3. Rising hundreds to fight Emrakul
Is she using the Veil to enhance herself in this quest? We don't know, not from that trailer.
What we know is they won't reprint LotV: too strong for standard.
It's not about story.
So your argument is simple semantics? That's awfully poor and honestly not even worth consideration of posting in the context of the thread.
It's not Liliana of the Veil. The reasons that point to why she could objectively-be-but-are-still-wrong aren't worth the time they take to type out.
It doesn't make sense in the storyline set by Wizards as a whole. Period. It's not her "of the Veil" incarnation; there's no point in being wrong for the point of making a (factually weak and obviously wrong) point.
My argument is we don't know her current role in the story, besides having the Veil and being so drown into it to be afraid of it. She's still undoubtedly Liliana of the Veil, in a really literal sense.
A 3 second video in which she rises an horde of zombies is the weakest base from which a baseless speculation can spring.
All this doesn't make any reprint of LotV any more possible (it isn't), but there is no problem, flavourwise.
And note that if you think an argument is not even worth consideration you could use your time better instead of trying to counter it :>
From here she can either use the Veil or not to oppose Emrakul, something we'll learn from the story told. At this point LotV makes perfectly sense in Eldritch Moon exactly as it made sense in M15 (when they had to ditch it in development because it was too strong).
Liliana's current role in the storyline isn't defined as her being in possession of the Chain Veil. Right now, her most important attribute is being the Gatewatch's only hope of preventing Emrakul's destruction of Innistrad. Therefore, it makes more sense for her card to reflect the latter rather than the former.
The "LotV reprint" argument might have had a leg to stand on before Monday (when we knew next to nothing about the set), but the nature of the Eldritch Moon trailer now strongly suggests otherwise.
Her current role is:
1. Being like herself as always
2. Having a veil
3. Rising hundreds to fight Emrakul
Is she using the Veil to enhance herself in this quest? We don't know, not from that trailer.
What we know is they won't reprint LotV: too strong for standard.
There was no way they would reprint Liliana of the Veil when they've adopted such a story-centric approach to their set designs now. They want their characters to grow and develop, and they want to showcase said development in card form as well.
From a logical standpoint, Wizards would have no logically sound reason to reprint Liliana of the Veil.
Currently:
1. She's Liliana
2. She has the Veil
From here she can either use the Veil or not to oppose Emrakul, something we'll learn from the story told. At this point LotV makes perfectly sense in Eldritch Moon exactly as it made sense in M15 (when they had to ditch it in development because it was too strong).
- people get bored over an overwhelmingly huge number of crap cards
- anytime a slightly better than usual card gets printed the format collapse
Do you think any banned card in standard would have been banned with Lightning Bolt, Counterspell, Force of Will, Liliana of The Veil, Thoughtseize, Abrupt Decay and so on in the format?
If wotc sees this we're doomed to be served just tokens and no more playmats for store championships as well
Actually, tokens are made on cheap paper, not the same paper they use for actual cards. It's a safe bet to assume foil double sided tokens cost them less than foil single side cards.
Then you miss al the fun of casting random crazy ideas that will never make it to print
Creature - Gremlin
First strike
Sacrifice Gremlin Hexmage: target opponent loses all energy counters.
2/1
I'm on the temples bandwagon too.
On option would be shard/wedge temples if needed in the environment.
I really really want to trade my Verdant Catacombs for new Ancient Egytian themed ones
My argument is we don't know her current role in the story, besides having the Veil and being so drown into it to be afraid of it. She's still undoubtedly Liliana of the Veil, in a really literal sense.
A 3 second video in which she rises an horde of zombies is the weakest base from which a baseless speculation can spring.
All this doesn't make any reprint of LotV any more possible (it isn't), but there is no problem, flavourwise.
And note that if you think an argument is not even worth consideration you could use your time better instead of trying to counter it :>
Her current role is:
1. Being like herself as always
2. Having a veil
3. Rising hundreds to fight Emrakul
Is she using the Veil to enhance herself in this quest? We don't know, not from that trailer.
What we know is they won't reprint LotV: too strong for standard.
It's not about story.
Currently:
1. She's Liliana
2. She has the Veil
From here she can either use the Veil or not to oppose Emrakul, something we'll learn from the story told. At this point LotV makes perfectly sense in Eldritch Moon exactly as it made sense in M15 (when they had to ditch it in development because it was too strong).