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    posted a message on Jeskai Control
    With Jonathan Rosum's great finish at SCG Syracuse this past weekend, I decided to give his sweet Jeskai "fusion" build a try on MTGO and recorded them for your enjoyment. You can find the first of 3 matches here: Jeskai Control w/ Geist and Queller Videos.

    The list performed splendidly, with only minor changes made the manabase and sideboard. I faced up against UR Gifts Storm, RG Titanshift, and KCI Combo, all of which are not the ideal matchups for Jeskai Control, but the deck showed its strength and versatility in playing multiple different roles based on the matchup. I urge you guys to check it out as I think the deck tackles some unexplored territory for Jeskai!
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Quote from xnorth »
    Quote from rick90 »
    I am seriously thinking about dropping the 2 walls cause I really do not like them! I prefer to blink seas than wall, especially in the current meta of grixis DS, affinity and eldrazi where wall of omens does basically nothing!

    Quote from VIPowL »
    @Rick I've ditched the Walls, you definitely do sometimes miss the free block on big creatures to preserve life total and an excellent flicker target, but I prefer to have extra spells and the 4th copy of Snapcaster Mage. Personal preference though, I know Humle and Paradox rate the card highly.

    I would have lost many games (and have lost games where I didn't take the line when available to me) if I didn't Saheeli -2 to copy Wall of Omens to draw that one extra card (either Felidar or fourth land) a turn before dead or no return. I only play 2 myself but I wouldn't want to ditch them. I suppose I see the argument of having more spells to make the game last that one last turn anyway though (such as Lightning Helix?) but nothing beats drawing multiple cards and blocking dudes all game for me personally.

    Also went 3-0 tonight beating U/W Oketra's Monument Aggro (?) and two Grixis Death Shadow pilots. I really enjoy playing the Shadow match-up as it feels totally winnable... if you open with Relic.


    I think what's so strong about Relic of Progenitus over Rest in Peace in that matchup is that you get to deploy it on T1, before they have a chance to shred your hand to pieces. Often times a good DS pilot will start with a cantrip given the opportunity to do so, so even if we're on the draw, we get to play it out. Rest in Peace has a much more static and long-lasting effect in the matchup, but it also shuts off our own Snapcaster Mages. I still think Rest in Peace is just too powerful right now, as Relic of Progenitus is pretty easy to play around for a skilled Dredge opponent which I would say is one of our tougher matchups. I have been seeing significantly less Dredge online, however, that won't necessarily translate to paper tournaments quite the same.

    As for Wall of Omens, I can definitely understand why some people would cut it. At the same time, I feel it serves a better role in the deck especially when you move towards sweepers in the main. People will try to overextend to be able to punch through your Wall(s). Being able to punish them with a sweeper or at least minimize the damage you're taking via blocking is pretty crucial. There have also been numerous times where T2 Walls protects my T3 Saheeli Rai from a 4 power creature (Loxodon Smiter, Koth of the Hammer, Tarmogoyf, Grim Flayer, etc.) in order for me to combo out safely on T4.

    With that said, the recent 5-0 with Saheeli (which I'm absolutely ecstatic about) shows that there's definitely room to explore the deck's structure and there is no defined way to play the deck, which is both exciting and frustrating at the same time. There are so many ways to play the deck that it is hard to know what is optimal without tons of testing. Humle9's style list has given me the most success which has made me a little lazy on the testing side, but I may go back to trying out new things.

    Also, I'm part of a facebook group and a player recently won a PPTQ with Esper Red Saheeli, decklist below:

    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from Magicalrabbit »
    Quote from Paradox Omega »
    Hey fellow Jeskai players, for those of you on the Queller Control version, I just featured Jeskai Queller in my most recent 5-match Modern Comp League series which you can find HERE.

    SB could probably be refined and I also tested out a 1-of Nimble Obstructionist. Overall underwhelming, but it was only 5 matches so it's hard to tell. Other than that, the deck felt very smooth and beat out the two "scariest" decks in the format (Grixis DS and Eldrazi-Tron). Definitely would try it again in the future.
    I don't know why you let a Blood Moon stick around when you had Celestial Purge and Spell Queller in hand and the opponent at 2 cards, then 1 after a Finks. If I had two nonbasics on the field and 80% of my land base is nonbasics, I would've slammed an answer.

    Hey man, it was definitely a punt. I took an aggressive line unnecessarily and I made that pretty clear later in that game and during the closing statements. Mistakes happen and I wouldn't make that play again. RG Ponza is definitely a winnable matchup if you don't make bad plays. Smile
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from Netter Mizuno »
    Can't watch your video yet but did you think running disallow instead of that one?


    So Disallow doesn't quite do what I want (Nimble Obstructionist also doesn't for the time being). What I liked about the latter was that it could be a 3/1 flash flyer in a lot of matchups where we often have to race or take on an aggressive role, similar to Vendilion Clique. The issue is that you have to choose one or the other. Clique has an ETB, Obstructionist does not. I was hoping the versatility of the card would be good in that it could counter abilities while drawing cards OR be a beater. The issue is that a 3/1 flash beater on its own is pretty bad lackluster in Modern and a 3 mana stifle with draw a card is often too slow to hit anything relevant (it was 1 turn too slow against Storm on the draw with it in my hand, so that felt bad).
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Hey fellow Jeskai players, for those of you on the Queller Control version, I just featured Jeskai Queller in my most recent 5-match Modern Comp League series which you can find HERE.

    SB could probably be refined and I also tested out a 1-of Nimble Obstructionist. Overall underwhelming, but it was only 5 matches so it's hard to tell. Other than that, the deck felt very smooth and beat out the two "scariest" decks in the format (Grixis DS and Eldrazi-Tron). Definitely would try it again in the future.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Quote from toroks »
    Quote from Paradox Omega »
    Spellskite is a relevant artifact that is playable in our shell, but I don't think anybody would be particularly excited to fetch it up with Saheeli's ult.
    Not alone, but together with bombs like geerhulk and/or batterskull I definitely would be. Saheeli's ult can fetch three artifacts. The lack of an ult for Saheeli came up in several games here.

    Sure, Spellskite definitely feels a little better when it's protecting other cards. I might just be too tunnel vision'd on the core that humle9 played in GP Copenhagen (which I've had by far the most success with). I can hardly justify the space for 1 artifact. If you've got space for 2 in your build, by all means, test it out and see how often the ult into multiple artifacts comes up and how many times it's actually better than netting value off her -2. The deck is by no means "solved", so I always encourage experimenting.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    I tend to agree with humle9 and TheAller here. The artifact that you fetch up with Saheeli Rai's should be playable as if the ult didn't exist. Torrential Gearhulk, in the right list, can absolutely fill that bill. I don't think Gearhulk is particularly great in the list that Ben Friedman wrote up, simply because the best you ever flashback is a 2cmc spell and that's just bad value. TheAller, on the other hand, is playing Cryptic Command, which is one of the best cards to hit with it. This is a situation where Gearhulk is an artifact and an applicable target for Saheeli's ult, but at the same time, is very playable on its own if you draw it naturally.

    I tested Batterskull in this slot as well, but I don't think it's particularly necessary to have this type of "top end" and it really depends what kind of meta you expect to face. A lot of the time, you just don't have the time to ult Saheeli, let alone tap out for a 5 or 6 mana permanent. Which is why I shy away from maindecking slow cards like this. The fact that Gearhulk has flash makes it far more playable and could fit in a more controlling shell that is designed to take over in the late-game.

    Cute 2 or 3 card combos for Saheeli's ult will make your deck extremely clunky and take away relevant deckbuilding space. In COMPETITIVE Modern, there is no room for durdling. Tapping out one turn for a Staff of Domination can absolutely lose you the game, as it takes a long time for it to generate any type of value for you outside of her ultimate. And that makes it a dead card. Assessing a planeswalker's value based on its ult is always a trap. Ticking up Saheeli for 4 turns uncontested usually means you're in a pretty good spot already, so there is no need to add bad cards to your deck for the 5% of games where you may get Saheeli that high.

    Anyways, long story short, the only acceptable artifacts for that slot, in my opinion, are Torrential Gearhulk and Batterskull, two Modern-playable cards that have natural synergy with our deck. Spellskite is a relevant artifact that is playable in our shell, but I don't think anybody would be particularly excited to fetch it up with Saheeli's ult.

    EDIT: I've also seen someone run a Myr Battlesphere in that slot. Definitely too cute for Modern, as I think if you go above 6cmc you're just asking for trouble, but it gets an honorable mention.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Azourius Titan/Emeria Control
    Hey all, I just featured Emeria Titan/Saheeli in my latest Under the Microscope series on YouTube. Looking at this thread, the decklist wasn't particularly refined but I think it does a good job showing the deck's strengths and weaknesses overall. We beat Abzan Midrange and Mono U Tron, but lost to UR Gifts Storm.

    Check it out HERE if you have some time, thanks!
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Quote from Fyrithil »
    So how important are the 2 Spirebluff Canal? I currently don't have them and want to try out the deck as it seems really fun to play. I have both Inspiring Vantage and Seachrome Coast. Any way to rebuild the mana base with those two?

    They have significant impacts in games where you need to preserve your life total while still curving out (Bolt/Serum into Remand/Wall/Seas etc etc). With that said, many people have had success with a heavy checkland base with 1-2 Sulfur Falls and 1-2 Glacial Fortress. This does not play as nicely with a Celestial Colonnade start, but it plays much nicer with Felidar Guardian and other T4 plays while feeling like a straight up dual in the majority of cases.

    I think both are acceptable, but I'm in the camp of wanting T1 lands that provide 2 colors in aggressive matchups rather than relying on fetching basics in the early turns which can screw up the ability to cast Pia and Kiran Nalaar or Supreme Verdict down the road. You can and will find success with the checkland base as well. Celestial Colonnade is also not a 100% must, although, I am in the camp of always running at least 2.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Even though Torrential Gearhulk can be "fetched" up with Saheeli Rai's ult, I don't think it's quite good enough. As I've said in other places, if I'm playing a 6 mana spell, it will almost always be Sun Titan or Elspeth, Sun's Champion. Gearhulk, at best, can hit a Lightning Helix or a Path to Exile, as most of the lists don't play Cryptic Command, or at most just 1.

    I, too, disagree on Vendilion Clique. The beatdown plan is quite underrated and being able to disrupt your opponent while crafting your own combo should not be underestimated. I'm not sure 3 in the 75 is ALWAYS correct, but I do think 2 in the 75 is really solid. I bring in the 2nd in a lot of matchups.

    Lightning Helix is good but I think I was just too scared of Burn/CoCo for the event. One in the main seems like more than enough going forward. It feels great to hate out Burn, but otherwise it feels pretty meh. I think switching my 2nd Helix for a Supreme Verdict is absolutely the way to go, as Grixis Shadow is one of the more difficult matchups.

    Anyways, thanks for the congrats Borzi and VIPowL. I honestly would not have had the finish I did if it wasn't for all of you dedicated Saheeli players working hard on the deck and creating a positive environment for discussion. Y'all rock!
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Hey guys, our archetype and my list got featured in Ben Friedman's latest article: http://www.gatheringmagic.com/benfriedman-07072017-splinter-twin-returns/

    Check it out if you have time! He talks about some interesting directions the deck could take.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Quote from VIPowL »
    Just went back to back 4-1s in Modo Competitive Leagues! The 5-0 still escapes me!

    This was my list: http://puu.sh/wCXxm/e8c7624892.jpg

    Managed to beat the Bennyhillz style UW Control list 2-0 in back to back games, with this being my favourite moment: http://puu.sh/wCXsO/3b13481ec4.jpg


    Same boat as you, always get the 4-1s and miss the 5-0 due to something like Dredge ruining my day. Cool list and good job beating UW, that is not an easy matchup. Sweet stack! I like the higher density of counterspells in your SB, I may definitely up my count looking at this new control heavier meta.

    Quote from rick90 »
    What is the general idea about the number of Snapcaster Mage to play? Does it worth going with the full playset or 3 can be enough?


    Personally, 3 has been enough. I know people who have run 4 and have enjoyed it, but there were many times where I had 2 or 3 Snapcaster Mage in hand with literally 0 relevant instants or sorceries to flashback. This came up far too many times for me to just call it variance. 3 felt like the perfect number, especially if you're on the 16-18 Instant/Sorcery build. With that said, try it out for yourself and see how it performs for you!
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    I don't think this strategy makes sense. You can see just by your list how often you side in the combo, so why not just maindeck it? Sure, the combo feels bad against Shadow G1, but you can still steal games with it easily. I think it would be more consistent to side out pieces of the combo into hate towards Death's Shadow/Burn/Control (arguably the 3 worst matchups).

    And even the decks you said you wouldn't side the combo into, I find that winning with the combo is one of the best ways to do it game 1 (like Merfolk, Burn, or Affinity).
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on Jeskai Copycat (Saheeli + Felidar)
    Quote from rick90 »
    Thanks a lot for your contributions! I would like to ask you if there is a particular reasons why you decided not to bring any Geist of Saint Traft in the sideboard! I think that2-3 copies would be awesome in grindy match up like shadow!

    I didn't think Control would be that big haha. Look how wrong I was looking at the Top 32 of the event! Moving forward, I wouldn't mind having 1-2 Geist of Saint Traft in the sideboard, or at least more counterspells like Negate. I was able to dodge most control matchups, but I imagine my build would have had a hard time against Jeskai Queller or Jeskai Control.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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    posted a message on State of Modern Thread: bans, format health, metagame, and more! (3/13 update)
    Why does Burn (or whomever) need a way to deal with greedy manabases anyway? Shocklands already do that for them, basically netting them a free burn spell or two each game if their opponent wants to cast their spells on time. If you mean hate towards Tron/Eldrazi-Tron, then they already do pretty well against Tron and Eldrazi-Tron is a problem but you don't need to hate out every deck that plays 3 colors/nonbasics. As others have mentioned, there are far better ways to introduce land hate that would not only be accessible to a wider variety of decks, but also would warp the format much less. Price of Progress would only decrease format diversity.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
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