Here's one for you to play with. I've already shifted the rows. There is just one pack removal remaining. If we assume all of the mythics are going to be on the same track again, it looks like a new sequence. I've constructed a partial sequence from it, I'm hoping to verify it on more boxes.
(3) Breaking // Entering | Selesnya Guildgate (Pontiff of Blight)
(2) Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker | Azorius Guildgate
(3) Legion's Initiative | Rakdos Guildgate (Woodlot Crawler)
(2) Trait Doctoring | Boros Guildgate (Mutant's Prey)
(1) Renounce the Guilds | Izzet Guildgate
(2) Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch | Golgari Guildgate (Riot Control)
(1) Scion of Vitu-Ghazi | Gruul Guildgate
(2) Tajic, Blade of the Legion | Selesnya Guildgate
(1) Dragonshift | Azorius Guildgate
(2) Flesh // Blood | Blood Crypt (Advent of the Wurm)
(1) Zhur-Taa Ancient | Golgari Guildgate
(2) Emmara Tandris | Simic Guildgate (Turn // Burn)
(1) Renegade Krasis | Rakdos Guildgate
(3) Pontiff of Blight | Temple Garden
(1) Gaze of Granite | Godless Shrine
(3) Ready // Willing | Dimir Guildgate
(1) Progenitor Mimic | Golgari Guildgate
(2) Savageborn Hydra | Orzhov Guildgate
(3) Boros Battleshaper | Izzet Guildgate
(2) Possibility Storm | Rakdos Guildgate
(3) Council of the Absolute | Gruul Guildgate
(2) Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker | Simic Guildgate
(3) Breaking // Entering | Dimir Guildgate (Smelt-Ward Gatekeepers)
(2) Melek, Izzet Paragon | Izzet Guildgate
(2) Boros Battleshaper | Orzhov Guildgate
(1) Dragonshift | Dimir Guildgate
(2) Flesh // Blood | Gruul Guildgate
(1) Zhur-Taa Ancient | Simic Guildgate
(2) Notion Thief | Azorius Guildgate
(3) Advent of the Wurm | Boros Guildgate
(1) Skylasher | Selesnya Guildgate
(3) Sire of Insanity | Orzhov Guildgate (Gruul Guildgate)
(1) Plasm Capture | Dimir Guildgate (Selesnya Cluestone)
(3) Obzedat's Aid | Rakdos Guildgate
(1) Blood Scrivener | Boros Guildgate
(3) Beck // Call | Azorius Guildgate
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Apr 28, 2013Thank you for starting us off.Posted in: New Card Discussion
I also have a "Box Appraiser: DGM Edition" available as a free download for recording your data on the go, it will output in the proper text format that you
can copy/paste here.
I've been using | as dividers instead of /'s due to the split cards usually using /'s in the naming.
Apr 20, 2013Posted in: New Card Discussion
I will try to figure them out myself then.
There are a lot of Belgium Gatecrash boxes now.
It's just that when Gatecrash first released everything was Made in USA. A few weeks after release they started printing in Belgium too. But, nobody ever posts anymore GTC boxes, so you don't really see them here.
Just keep in mind the different packing order, I believe they go from right to left one column at a time. Possibly only two tracks. Unfortunately you won't have the sleeve art to go off of.
Apr 20, 2013Posted in: New Card DiscussionQuote from cerberus0250
I was wondering if anyone could shed any light on this please as I want to buy another box but need to know if i'm doing something wrong.
Any help would be massively appreciated.
Everything looks good here too. In fact you didn't even have to manually fix the row shifting. Where did you run into problems?
Apr 19, 2013Posted in: New Card Discussion
The Made in Belgium boxes are completely different. There is a completely different packing order, columns, rather than rows. And there is different track/card orders. I would never even recommend attempting to use the USA maps on a Made in Belgium box.
Apr 18, 2013Posted in: New Card Discussion
I just didn't bother with the row shifting. I'm assuming he is using software. But, if not, thanks for taking the time.
The only thing that bothers me is that the numbers go down instead of up :/
Interesting you should say that. Because I always read these from the bottom up (the same way they are packaged at the factory) so it looks good to me
Apr 16, 2013Posted in: New Card DiscussionQuote from DariusThis one seems hard.
Switching rows 5<->3 fixes some things, but row 6 is still out of order. Maybe row 8 should be between rows 5 and 6? I can't find good rows switches thanks to the 545 on row 9, where the right-column 5-pack was probably inserted. The bottom 4 rows seem to be even harder to solve.
The boxmapper at http://boxmapper.webs.com/ couldn't solve it either.
It looks bad at first, but it's actually pretty simple, just 3 pack removals.
R: 315241 235413
M: 254135 124352
L: 143524 513241
Mar 27, 2013Posted in: New Card DiscussionQuote from sowoahWas wondering if anyone has discovered that M13 shares the same foil pattern as GTC/RTR? I imagine it would only take looking at a single box to decide (are the commons 8 apart and the uncommons 20 apart?) but the boxes posted on the 2013 thread do not have sleeve numbers so it's hard to see the actual ordering of the packs.
I know that M13 has a different common/uncommon/rare ratio (60 uncommon instead of 80) but considering how the foil rarity ratios for GTC/RTR are significantly different than the non-foil rarity ratios, doesn't seem like they keep it that tight.
Well, I just went through all of the sets to add foil support a few days ago. There are a lot of similarities in M13 compared to RTR or GTC. There are also a lot of things that are different.
If you are only interested in where the commons/rares/uncommons are then for the most part you can get by with using the same technique, it staggers occasionally though, It'll go 32, 32, 16, 32, 32. Or 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 4, 8, etc. If you are tracking the actual card names that is where you'll notice most of the difference.
Mar 20, 2013Posted in: New Card DiscussionQuote from ZoggerYes, can't find them either.
it was stated in the thread that the EU/Belgium Map was almost solved, but nobody posted it. Then all eyes were on the mapping-app and it was only for the us boxes.
So my question is: do EU Boxes use the same mechanics like the US, where thee packs are ordered according to the 5 different covers?
Btw: I read the Avacyn Thread and that works for the EU.
Yes, the Belgium boxes are much easier to map. You can just look at the information from AVR and the method is pretty much the same. In addition to this, you can use the information I've gathered from the sleeve patterns, but just apply it to the different packing order of Belgium boxes.
Mar 20, 2013Posted in: New Card DiscussionQuote from DaneSuper sweet. This may be sad, but I find myself checking my updates list in the app store almost daily to see if any of the mappers are listed, and immediately download if they are.
They're good tools to solve a fun puzzle. It isn't even really about "pulling money" or anything, but really about cracking the code...I still like to do things manually, and use this for confirmation, and it's a godsend for that.
I feel the same way. Today I ran through a whole bunch of foil data and learned lots of things. And I have a much better understanding of the logic behind the decision to include certain foil lands in the uncommon track. And I've learned some new things that I'm not sure yet if I can figure out. I certainly welcome the challenge though.
Mar 19, 2013Posted in: New Card DiscussionQuote from DaneVinz...not to TOTALLY derail the thread, but I was curious if you're working on cracking DFCs for the INN/DKA apps like you have foils for RTR and GTC.
Yes, I'm going to take a look at them. I'm currently working my way backwards through the sets. I've just added foil support to AVR too, and when I get to INN/DKA I will take a closer look at the DFCs at the same time.
I'm also going to be adding a problem sleeve map submission option directly into the program soon too. But if anyone else is still having a problem with their sleeve map while using my app in the meantime, send a direct email if you want a quick answer. Don't bother waiting for the next version to correct it. It'll also give me a better idea of what to improve next.
Mar 18, 2013Posted in: New Card DiscussionQuote from Wizard37Hey everybody. I found this thread after buying one of Vinz's apps. I've got one that his iOS app won't map and I'm coming here for help. I've double-checked it both in sleeves and in the application. I tried the command line version I found in this thread and that didn't work either. Help!
I think my pattern is 4-2-5-3-1 but I only see it once. I think the first two columns have to be swapped. I'm still hashing out the rest.
The iOS App says it's Unable to Scramble
This one looks like it shouldn't be too difficult. I can look at it after work.
If you could, please send a copy of your post to the app support email. I don't really want to hijack this thread/forum by turning it into a box mapping app support area.
And it'd be nice to have this with the other emails of sleeve maps that I've solved. That way when I'm adding new sleeve pattern recognition routines to my app I can quickly look-up and identify which ones should be added next.
Mar 16, 2013Posted in: New Card DiscussionQuote from Delinhi, I'm having trouble with the box after opening 3 packs in track c, it is going against predictions
Left: 3 1 4 2 5 1 4 4 2 5 3 1
Middle: 2 5 3 1 4 5 3 3 1 4 2 5
Right: 1 4 2 5 3 4 2 2 5 3 1 4
Simic Manipulator (Left 1)
Firemain Avenger (Left 12)
Rubblehulk (Right 9)
Any help appreciated! Thanks
Seems to be working fine for me. You are only 3 packs in so, I'd try getting a card from each track before going for anything specific.
Mar 15, 2013Posted in: New Card DiscussionQuote from Carl5872I dont have an ipad android, smart phone or equivalent. Is there a website that has a box mapper I can use?
Unfortunately, even with the frequency of the updates to my Android/iOS apps, I haven't made a web/PC version. But if you don't happen to own a cheap android device, there are a couple of free PC projects that you can take advantage of:
Free open source GTC box mapper headed by killers_inn:
Free/pay/pro version PC executable headed by FatalEagle:
Both very cool projects headed by a couple of great people.
Mar 14, 2013Posted in: New Card DiscussionQuote from ZoggerVinzito can you help me with this Sleeve Map?
5 3 4 5 4 5 1 2 1 3 1 2
2 3 4 5 1 2 4 3 5 1 2 3
4 5 1 2 3 4 1 5 2 3 4 5
I guess Row 7+8 shifted (at least in the left and middle column) but what happened to the right column?
Thanks for help!
So you'll want to move these groups of packs to their new respective locations.
5 1 2 3 4 5 2 1 3 4 5 1
2 3 4 5 1 2 4 3 5 1 2 3
4 5 1 2 3 4 1 5 2 3 4 5
That should do it.
Oh and you were correct about the 7-8 shift.
Also, I've just added lots of pack moving support in the about-to-be-released v1.2.3.. For boxes that have had packs move around during shipment. (this isn't one of them. This is just an oddity I've never seen before.)
I'm still testing lots of boxes on it right now. But should be available soon. And it will fix the majority of the few problems I've seen lately.
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