Greetings and welcome to the forums. I don't live near you so I cannot give you advice pertaining to that, but deck advice or card thoughts I can give you. I mostly reside in the paper Pauper and Peasant section though.
Guys what do u think about Renegade Demon?
How about putting him into mba? Is it worth? Or if not how deck should be builded to got him? Cause i saw him today and i would like to play him
Sry for my eng.
Renegade Demon might work in that deck you linked, but as a card by itself it is horrible. No abilities, poor toughness and a high mana cost just make it laughable in Pauper.
That overall deck is very fragile as-well, it might be fun but it won't really put up a great fight. It almost reminds me of decks that played the Big Furry Monster, it sucked but damn it was fun.
Exodus started using rarity colors, if I'm not mistaken. And Auratog was made an uncommon in Time Spiral. But, those gold colored Togs listed above work.
Auratog was a rare in Tempest and a "Special" in Time Spiral. It technically had no official common or uncommon printing.
The card was just a reprint of the original Tempest card and was added to the Time Spiral set as a "Timeshifted" card. Even though the card replaced a common card in the booster pack it was not considered common or uncommon.
So in short, the card is not legal for either paper Pauper or Peasant formats.
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Why this archetyp is called White Weenie? Not Mw aggro?
It is called White Weenie because it employs small white creatures with several abilities (not always meant for speed). An example would be Standard Bearer. This is one of the best Pauper creatures hands down, no disputing it, but aggro it is not. Another example is Benevolent Bodyguard, not aggro but once again one of the best creatures around.
If you want a Mono-W aggro deck you are best of going with tribal soldiers.
I have to highly disagree about Loyal Pegasus, if you play him turn one you won't be able to attack until turn three because of summoning sickness on the turn two creature. Sure he may be able to block but the amount of better one drop creatures greatly outweighs his eventual evasion and ability to attack.
Maybe in a WR deck so the haste ability can be taken advantage of, but not solely White Weenie.
lol , i even dont know for what there is so much section , Casual & Related Formats > Paper Pauper / Peasant > Pauper Primers , there should be one section called PAUPER and thats it.
I dont know what is difffrence beetwen paper pauper and pauper primers lol
It isn't a hard concept to grasp, and we shouldn't just have one section for Pauper because if we did we would have nearly an entire page of Sticky's. Sub-forums are required to separate things such as primers so it keeps the overall forum appearance clean and neat.
If you don't know the difference between paper Pauper and the primers section here it is.
Within the paper Pauper / Peasant sub-forum you discuss creative deck ideas, cards, strategies and many more things. For established decks such as White Weenie you have a primer section dedicated to those who want to create and talk about that deck, all such discussions take place in there as-well rather then all over the sub-forum. You don't have a primer for a Pauper spider deck because that deck isn't an established deck so it is discussed outside of that section.
Now that will be all that I mention on the matter because this primer has effectively been derailed long enough. I suggest creating a new thread outside of this if you wish to continue the discussion further so the wrath of the moderators isn't invoked.
One important thing.
U dont got Dark ritual at hand , only u pick it in 3 turn. And what u do with that? Then its card disadvantage. On tournament , on 9 games i had 2 times only Dark Ritual on start hand , even if i was using 4 copies.
Dark ritual is inherent card disadvantage. In order for it to be worth it, the gain in board position must compensate for that in either killing speed or future card advantage.
MBA's use is for killing speed... but in this removal-heavy meta, it is simply not fast enough. A Dark Ritual opening will still, even without interaction and in an ideal hand, need 3 turns to kill someone (very rare) and will often need 5+. That gives control decks far too much time to stabilize, and there are far more consistent aggro decks (DelverFiend) that will usually win the race, with or without Dark Ritual.
Therefore, I concluded that it isn't worth it. It actually hurts our game against control (letting them stabilize by answering one fewer card more often than it would kill them), and it does not significantly help against other aggro decks with a faster, more consistent clock than ours. Also, as mentioned above, it's horrible to top-deck into one.
Whoa whoa whoa.. I really (usually) hold my tongue very well against comments of this nature but this is complete hogwash. Dark Ritual is one of the best advantages in the game, I will quote and agree with what Darkninja107 said below me. If you can throw down two-three creatures turn one then on turn two equip a Bonesplitter where the hell is the disadvantage? If you can jump the gun on board presence then Sign in Blood yourself you are all set.
It seems like you are grossly under-estimating Dark Ritual. You're saying it's a disadvantage to play 2-3 creatures in your opening turn than to play one creature due to removal? What removal will kill 3 creatures turn 1? If you say Dark Ritual isn't fast enough, then what is?
If you're on the play you can get 4-5 damage on the board, add in a turn 2 Bonesplitter then you have 6-7 damage. Assuming your opponent has turn one removal in their deck (Vapor Snag, Lightning Bolt or Disfigure being the main culprits) then you will only lose one creature on your turn 2 attack and still hit for 2-3 damage. Without Dark Ritual you play one creature first turn then that creature is dead second turn then you have no damage dealt until at least 3rd turn, but under your logic they still have enough removal, so there's goes turn 3 and possibly 4. You aren't running discard so removal will tear through your deck no matter what, but Dark Ritual gives you early pressure that can be completely answered until turn 3. If you assume they'll have answers against your opening Dark Ritual, then they will also have those answers for the same play spread out over your first few turns, so you lost either way. Even against Aggro putting out that many creatures first turn is good so then you'll have room to keep open mana for removal.
If you don't have the space or you don't want to play Dark Ritual, then that's fine, but don't try and dissuade other players from it with incorrect assumptions.
How about a primer for combos? Infinite combos, draw engines, synergy, first turn kills, second turn kills (although the last two are pushing it for pauper)
That really isn't what a primer is used for, but we could possibly start to construct a thread similar to THIS one here. We could even call it basically the same thing with the exception of adding Paper Pauper and peasant in the front of it. We would first need to see exactly how many combos, loops, ect, we have to see if such a thread is justified.
Unfortunately, it doesn't have a relevant creature type, but two power in the air at 1 mana seems like a really good deal. I can't tell whether that or War Falcon are a better pick. What do you think?
The only way I think I could find him viable is if you put him into a WR deck to make use of the haste ability. I honestly don't really like him though, War Falcon is the clear winner here.
I had him in there in the first incarnation, along with Faeries Macabre and Thieving Sprite, but 3 CMC was indeed too slow for my tastes. Cutting them out let me drop the land count to 16, too.
Tormented Soul is certainly better, even considering it doesn't activate Morsel Theft. I'll probably try him out and cut down to 2 Morsels, maybe upping Bonesplitter to 4. Thanks for the tip.
I would do just that, with four Bonesplitters you have a higher chance to get yourself a 3/1 unblockable and realistically that is pretty damned powerful in the world of Pauper. In addition he can end up being a main power house for your deck because you also have Predator's Gambit.
Thus far it looks pretty solid. I agree with Obermeir on the inclusion of a Peasant section. It won't be a large section to add but it does give additional options.
I am very much with you Cz on calling people out on bad advice and the like, I do my very best to keep the paper Pauper/Peasant section alive much as you do with multiplayer, I gave it a rules thread, started the Primer sub-section and I actively call people out if they throw something horrid out there. I certainly hope I don't get a vague ban one day because of it.
I do like that card, it can get rid of something much easier then Unified Strike can. Though the latter does remove it from the game however.
Does it matter whether it is removed the game though? Maybe not, so in most situations then I think Coordinated Barrage may be better.
Enjoy your time here on the forums!
Renegade Demon might work in that deck you linked, but as a card by itself it is horrible. No abilities, poor toughness and a high mana cost just make it laughable in Pauper.
That overall deck is very fragile as-well, it might be fun but it won't really put up a great fight. It almost reminds me of decks that played the Big Furry Monster, it sucked but damn it was fun.
Auratog was a rare in Tempest and a "Special" in Time Spiral. It technically had no official common or uncommon printing.
The card was just a reprint of the original Tempest card and was added to the Time Spiral set as a "Timeshifted" card. Even though the card replaced a common card in the booster pack it was not considered common or uncommon.
So in short, the card is not legal for either paper Pauper or Peasant formats.
It is called White Weenie because it employs small white creatures with several abilities (not always meant for speed). An example would be Standard Bearer. This is one of the best Pauper creatures hands down, no disputing it, but aggro it is not. Another example is Benevolent Bodyguard, not aggro but once again one of the best creatures around.
If you want a Mono-W aggro deck you are best of going with tribal soldiers.
Ah you are right, for some reason I thought I remembered it saying "cast" somewhere in there. Oh well lol.
Maybe in a WR deck so the haste ability can be taken advantage of, but not solely White Weenie.
It isn't a hard concept to grasp, and we shouldn't just have one section for Pauper because if we did we would have nearly an entire page of Sticky's. Sub-forums are required to separate things such as primers so it keeps the overall forum appearance clean and neat.
If you don't know the difference between paper Pauper and the primers section here it is.
Within the paper Pauper / Peasant sub-forum you discuss creative deck ideas, cards, strategies and many more things. For established decks such as White Weenie you have a primer section dedicated to those who want to create and talk about that deck, all such discussions take place in there as-well rather then all over the sub-forum. You don't have a primer for a Pauper spider deck because that deck isn't an established deck so it is discussed outside of that section.
Now that will be all that I mention on the matter because this primer has effectively been derailed long enough. I suggest creating a new thread outside of this if you wish to continue the discussion further so the wrath of the moderators isn't invoked.
Sign in Blood on turn three then cast Dark Ritual to play what you drew.
Whoa whoa whoa.. I really (usually) hold my tongue very well against comments of this nature but this is complete hogwash. Dark Ritual is one of the best advantages in the game, I will quote and agree with what Darkninja107 said below me. If you can throw down two-three creatures turn one then on turn two equip a Bonesplitter where the hell is the disadvantage? If you can jump the gun on board presence then Sign in Blood yourself you are all set.
Wow...
That really isn't what a primer is used for, but we could possibly start to construct a thread similar to THIS one here. We could even call it basically the same thing with the exception of adding Paper Pauper and peasant in the front of it. We would first need to see exactly how many combos, loops, ect, we have to see if such a thread is justified.
The only way I think I could find him viable is if you put him into a WR deck to make use of the haste ability. I honestly don't really like him though, War Falcon is the clear winner here.
I would do just that, with four Bonesplitters you have a higher chance to get yourself a 3/1 unblockable and realistically that is pretty damned powerful in the world of Pauper. In addition he can end up being a main power house for your deck because you also have Predator's Gambit.