Hi, I have a Grixis list that I need help looking over. I did not make room for counters in the main, but instead I made it more removal heavy. I also need help with deciding how the mana base should look or at least an idea of how to diversify it. I hope it looks OK...This is my rough draft of what I would like to run.
I think its either scatter to the winds or Void Shatter either works. I hope this helps others push grixis in the spot light. The land base count will be 26.
Hi, out of 29 people for FNM I got 4th place going 4-1-0 using a Variation of 4649Matt's deck I really enjoyed it I also caught 2 other players playing different versions of this deck which I only played one of them.
Round 1 Vs G/B Dredge she was a new player so I cannot say that it was hard it was very easy she was new to the deck so I won 2-0 I was able to help her with a few tricks in her deck. grisly salvage things on those lines.
Round 2 Vs U/R Artifact Mirror game 1 went something like this he flooded the table with generator servant I killed it, he then played his ensoul on the Citadel he swung 5 I then sac'ed my Generator servant played my Doom Engine swung 6 he played another land swinging in for 5 he passed I swung 6 again...he went below the thresh hold and I shrapnel blasted him taking the win. Game 2 went something in my favor he was playing the Keranos//Thassa build which I don't think is as good as the one I was piloting because yeah he was able to scry but my turn 2 ensould citadel just crushed him he was running 24 lands way to many. He was able to play dragon and pass I drew my dragon and played it swung 9 bringing him to the dead zone, he played a land and passed I swung again he blocked my dragon he was again in the danger zone and I did not have shrapnel blast to finish him so I played scuttling doom engine and passed he drew nothing and the game ended there 2-0
Round 3, and 4 were against U/W Control they were both friends who made exact same decks which was very stressful they ran 10 main board counters nuts. so Game 1 in round 3 I lost game 1 just mulligan because 1 land I was a bit upset so I yolo'ed it and lost game 2 of round 3 I kept a great hand we went back and forth until citadel was ensouled swinging 5 a turn he tried to tap out and sphinx rev but izzet charm caught it. He later tried to stop me from puting down a doom engine but I was able to counter with swan song. Game 2 of round 3 ended with a bang from shrapnel blast. game 3 of round 3 we went back and forth again counter to counter he was able to land elspeth make 3 guys and pass I played my dragon swung at him bringing him from 18 to 14, I shrapnel blasted my land to kill elspeth right on the dot with negates in hand he played land pass. I untapped played land swung in and was able to monster my dragon making him take 12 damage bringing him to two...I had dooms in hand I passed. He tapped and sphinx rev for 3 bringing him to 5 life he kept 4 lands open for Supreme verdict which he did not get. we shook hands as I took the win. 2-1
Round 4 was his friend game 1 went as if you blinked turn 1 steam vents pass..he played a land go deal. I played Citadel and Ensouled it pass..he played mutavault pass I then just swung 5 and pass he did not get the 3rd land to use his detention sphere so he scooped it up game 1, Game 2 of round 4 was ugly sphinx into sphinx into elspeth on top of elixer...I scooped it up I did not get a counter to save my life so it was pretty ugly. Game 3 of round 4 I was able to ensoul again citadel and just ride it to the win he did not get a detention sphere or a charm to put it on top of my library but game 2 was so damn hard he countered everything doom engines and ensouls.. I won 2-1
Round 5 final round I was so close to taking it to the undefeated ring... Game 1 was pretty bad he had removal for days left and right my regenerator's all 3 of them got taken out he played a courser followed by a bunch of removal for each of my things he plays garruke Apex and I just had to scoop it up to game 2 we go this 1 I should have won we went back and forth it got to a point I had keranos, goblin rabblemaster, and ensouled citadel that was breaking his 4/4 lands left and right...after I was able to get through his none stop removal package I was able to stabilize at 2 life...with 2 negates in hand I was protected he had a ashiok at 7 I had doom engine and what not. What really sucked it out of me is that the previous turn when he plused ashiok to 7 he got a doom engine under him but what really kinda bugged me is the ashiok pile was infront of me and he took the creature and placed it over to his far left hand side in the corner of the table under ashiok it was kinda like "out of sight out of mind" I had forgot because the pile I looked at and knowing he had a doom blade coming from courser I was unaware he had taken a doom engine from the pile because I was looking over my cards and he placed it by the ashiok...a few friends told me its considered cheating for hiding it I don't know much about the rules on this but its FNM I had scuttling doom engine in my hand 2 negate and a shrapnel blast he was at 12..1 away from the danger zone. I tapped out and played doom engine not even knowing that he had 1 of my engines under his ashiok with a doom blade on top which was really sad because I had that win in the bag his deck was nothing on top of mine I feel if it was in sight I would not have tapped out to play a doom engine when he has 1...so it cost me the game. he won 0-2
Sorry about my round 5 rant I was very disappointed in that play mistake it cost me that game. Overall The deck ran really good for me. A friend of mine also went 4-1 he got 3rd over me because he did lose that last round too but he went 1-2 and I went 0-2 so yeah I can see that snake getting in there. changes I am not sure yet. Negates were an all star I won a lot with just ensouling the land and breaking faces with it against control though the 2 friends who made the blue white control decks they have been playing it for months now so it was not a walk in the park but do able. The mirror match I just over ran him because he was relying on gods to take wins. The other guy was running the cloudfin, revoker, Illusion angel type deck I told him drop the angels they are traps. He was trying to run heavy agro type I am not hating on what he likes but you cannot push to try to win with that type of deck when there were so many decks tonight that were able to stop x/2's from even making a difference anger of the gods, supreme, and drown in sorrow. He went I think 2-3 I did not vs this version of the deck either so I cannot just say the deck is bad its just in the store tonight that was not a good pick. Anyway I hope this helps a lot of you sorry if my results are all over I went to a party after around 11pm so Everyone I hope you have good news for the rest of us I am looking to see who else made it out there.
Again thanks to 4649Matt for posting such a good deck shell to run off of I did not copy everything to a T but the changes def break peoples backs esp. swan song man don't over look that card try it out. A few players were impressed with me piloting a rogue deck tonight R/U Artifacts. final score 4-1 (8-4) taking 4th place at FNM
I agree with silence the believers very useful card able to take down active gods and cards that are tough at times. As for ashiok I run 2 in the MB I like having 2 really helps with drawing out removal and if it gets out of hand you end up playing their creatures such as pack rat, blood baron, desecration demon, and gods that they may have erebos, and Thassa are big ones. Just please reconsider it because yes Ashiok mills but it exiles the spells so they cannot be recycled or whipped.
Reybenn I was able to vs a mono black deck I won game 1 and during game 2 I was able to use ashiok and steal a rat when he had 2 in play already we both went on the pack rat plan... we went to time it was the only deck I had somewhat problems with.
Something I have more concern with is mono blue devotion I play tested against 1 and yes I had mana issues but had the hardest time vsing it...I replaced the 1 of plasm capture with the 4th aetherspouts. Just a tough match overall.
Hi, I played today at my local store in a Standard Win a box of M15. There were 5 rounds, 22 people, and coming into the last round I was undefeated going 4-0 my friend was also 4-0 we decided to split the box and store credit. so not bad at all I will list what I vsed and my decklist maybe it can help others.
I want to thank Kamahl, the Fallen for posting such a great deck it really blew some people away not knowing how to deal with so many walkers on board. I changed a few things and I feel different about Ashiok I like him a lot hes the target of almost all removal which helps me turn 4 Jace, TLGP, or Kiora.
Round 1 vs a Mono Black Devotion Win 1-0
I was able to just land kiora and protect her ulted, and won game 1 swept that one easy. Game 2 I was able to ashiok and get a rat under him so I played it for turn and went on the rat program he had 2 rats in play already, so I was trying to race him about few turns later he lands whip and just has his way all I did then was stall the board because he had 2 underworld connection on the board with a ton of rats I think they were all 12/12 if not more time saved me in this match ashiok saved me from losing and I had Kiora Emblem active.
Round 2 Vs Black-Blue Mill Win 2-0
I play tested earlier with him his deck just over ran me fast I was unable to do much in the testing before the event. well game 1 of round 2 was ok I was able to land various planeswalkers. He landed consuming aberition while I had a ton in the grave from his milling I was able to land Kiora and just plus till he played a second one but I had Aetherspouts in my hand with a counter I was able to ult kiora and bounce his cards to the top of his library with no cards in hand I had 2 9/9's on board took him to two and passed with counter magic up he scooped it up to game 2. Game two he mulled to 6, I was able to get ashiok on board he had one soon after and we went back and forth till I jace bounced and thoughtseized it away. It got to the point I had 3 dissolves in hand I was able to ult jace and take the win with Kiora and Nissa hitting the table back to back.
Round 3 Black/White Mid range Win 3-0
Game 1 was pretty similar to others I was able to just flood the board with planeswalkers and he killed jace but kiora was able to ult with nissa pumping 4/4's per turn I took game 1, Game 2 He mulled to 5 he was off color I was able to thoughtseize his downfall and just land Kiora, nissa, and a jace he was manna screwed and he lost to 4 x 4/4's he had a baron stuck in his hand.
Round 4 Black/Green Midrange Win 4-0
Again game 1 kiora ult just wins he scooped it up pretty fast, Game 2 was a bit slower he was able to duress,duress, and he had removal when I thoughtseize him and he had downfalls so I played jace and he killed it I played a Kiora he had a 3/3 miscutter hydra I had 2 mana dorks he played a demon I put the demon in the bubble the whole time it got to a point where he played a second one and I played Garruk Killing 1 and ulting kiora, and then ulting Jace he was waiting for no idea but he thought he could stall the board I was able to get Garruk back out because he killed him with Muta's, and Hydra. He eventually scooped it up because once I jace ulted the game ended with Soul of phyrexia on the board with kiora emblem, Garruk, tokens, and an ashiok.
Round 5 we just split the box and credit I ended up getting 1st place in the end ^_^!
Overall great deck has very flexible mana base some MVP for me Kiora's ult, Soul of new Phyrexia I was able to blow someone out when they toughtseized him out of my hand and tried to kill ashiok with a downfall I made him indestructible until end of turn, and even when I play him he blocks baron and is a house of a card. Ashiok was able to help me vs mono block with pack rat plan.
Thats all I have sorry that the description is light. I hope this helps other please let me know what you think of the deck. again thank you Kamahl, the Fallen for posting a shell I could work off of it won me half a box tonight!
Hi I have been running around trying to find a deck that fits me. I used Junk Mid range for FNM last night I went 2-2 and got 9th place. I am now interested in moving into the field of Black/White/Red. I have been reading a lot of posts, and I wanted to thank Charm Master for posting a shell of a deck for people to work off of So here is the list.
So there is the full deck that I put together using Charm's shell listed above let me know what you think.
Edit notes: I adjusted the spells and creature consistancy I removed the Brimaz and placed more dragons and Blood barons and reduced the obzedat to 1. I placed 1 merciless eviction in the sideboard, and removed wear//tear since I have deicide as well. I put the 4th thoughtseize, 2 underworld connection in the mainboard.
I don't know Indulgent Tormentor can give us card advantage and get players to think lose 3 life or sac a creature. What did you think about the Scuttling doom engine 6/6 for 6 can't be blocked by creatures power 2 or less and if it dies deals 6 damage to target opponent? I also am thinking about 1 liliana vess the plus 1 can help cut the hand down or -2 to get an answer for next draw and with a underworld on the board we can pick it up to answer problems. Let me know what you think!
Ok, unfortunately I went 0 - 4 DROP I have a simple breakdown of what I vsed today at SCG It was my first time trying the deck I wish I had time to play around with it before I went to a major event! I still like the deck and will try to improve it in the months to come for next event.
Sorry I did so poorly a lot of my friends dropped at X-2 which is insane but that is the main reason I followed up with a drop as well they had a chance if you ask me but they didnt want to grind the last 5 matches trying to make sure they win out. Total rounds were 10. I have a friend named Dan Paine whos still playing and hes probably 6-0 now hes running Red/White Burn he also made top 8 in the TCG Boston Ma from last weekend. I made 45th out of 100+ I think I did so so... ANYWAY about this deck!
I had to make a few adjustments some of the things I wish I did not have well 1 is the ultimate price I lost a game to green white aggro because he had a dryad militant with a plus counter from ajani and I could not interact with it didn't draw my 3rd land to hit the banishing light and take control. I never got to cast Extinguish all hope I wish I did in my 3rd game against Mono Blue devotion. so lets go over my games
Round 1 Loss 2-0 Red/White Devotion He was on the play from winning the dice roll. The 1st game went something on the lines of poor judgement, on me and lack of removal I had a 5 land hand thoughtseize and a Brain Maggot He starts off land go..I did land thoughtseize his hand was stacked and I just ***** bricks.. 2x fanatic of mogis 2 lands frostburn wierd, and a burning tree I was not 100% sure what to take so I took the burning tree. On his turn he plays a red land puts wierd on the table and passes. I go turn 2 land brain maggot taking one of now 3 fanatic mogis in his hand... he then plays burning tree of the draw plays a damn nykthos and plays fanatic for 5 and swings I did not block so I took the 5+ the swing of one of his creatures. I drew a land passed and said this is over...scooped it up and went to the next game. I sided out underworld, extinguish, and I put in ultimate price, aegis of the god and fiendslayer. I was on the play I had a decent hand coinsmith, brain maggot, thoughtseize, and 5 lands I was thinking this should be good. Turn 1 thoughtseize he had a Lands, hammer of porph, red god, wierd, and reckoner. I took the wierd he played land go I played the maggot and took the reckoner no change in hand really. He played land into burning tree he passed..I drew land played coinsmith pass. He played hammer and nykthos pass and I drew a land sweet pass... I just drew lands after that he drew dragon, he had played red god and flooded the board I ended up blocking with no choice with my maggot and coin smith from red god with haste backed by dragon I Scooped it Up.
Round 2 Loss 2-1 Green/White/Splash red (Naya Aggro) Game 1 he just took it fast I didnt have a way back he had a curve that was great I had a lot of 2 drops and he flooded the board I never got a removal to save my life and he had swung 1 turn with the fabled hero he giant growthed him, and charmed him for trample swinging 18 I was foolish to block with my maggot not really aware he had me dead on board with that till after I blocked sorry lack of sleep on my side. Game 2 I was able to just curve great thought seized, brain maggot, Atheros, into grim guardian. I later got my god active and slowly killed him he had ulted a Fleecemane Lion so I ended up killing him down with my Obzedat Great way to go. Game 3 went quick I was in need of none tap land on turn 2 I had swamp and got a bit greedy I figured I have enough untap land to make it happen...He played land dryan militant pass I was on the draw went swamp thoughtseize I took his Voice pass. I did not get the land I had to play temple and pass he played a land...I was so downsided by that because I knew he had an ajani in his hand so he played it taking 1 from mana confluence put a plus counter on his militant swinging in for 3 I took it he passed..I played brain maggot taking his ghor clan rampager he had a brave in hand some lands...he put his militant with flying double strike swings and ghor clans from top deck what a hit 14 damage bringing me to 1!!!! I had banishing light I knew if I drew a land he maybe would miss the brave trigger and I would atleast get to block again well I drew not a land and scooped it up with Ultimate price in my hand I was pretty upset by that.
Round 3 Loss 2-1 Mono Blue devotion Game 1 went fast and ugly he just had the best hand having master of waves for 4, followed next turn with master of waves for 5 I scooped it up with no removal in sight. I was able to take game 2 with the side in of Ultimate price, Bile and blight, hero's downfall, and fiendslayer. I took various things out from 3x underworld connection to 1 of the fate unraveler, 2 of the grims, 1 coinsmith, and 2 fleece rams. I was on the play the game went down perfect thoughtseized his hand removed his turn 2 play the wierd, he played land the raptor go, I played brain maggot and took his rapid hybridization pass he played that 2/2 that locks down green creatures I forget the name evolve trigger and swung 1. I then played land passed he played a land and went to swing in I ultimate priced that down, he passed I played another land passed he played master for 3 I was able to kill it with another ultimate price. He then swing 2 it was fine I then played land and put out the grim guardian 2 mana up he then played a land another master I bile and blighted it perfect ends..he passed I played archangel he had no answers and scooped it up. Game 3 was just a bit grindy I ran into a land patch when we were going back and forth he was murdering me with the 3x judges familiar the lands were a flop just no more removal I had removed his bident, master, and had a fiendslayer paladin down but never drew anything after the 4th turn I just had strait mana draws it was a Blow out!
Round 4 I WON! 2-0 but I gave my opponent the win because I ment to drop last round with a record of 0-3 at this point I feel as if I failed everyone I had high hopes I plan to use this deck its good you steam roll your opponent atleast I think so. I wanted to drop, and my opponent was a friend of a gentleman named Scott who won the TCG event Boston with Green/White aggro I was excited to talk to him about how insane that event was I also told him I was going to give him the win No matter what happens but we will play he said ok sounds good friendly game at this point. I murdered him both games I will say it just was perfect the melting with coin smith and the trigger with grim guardian were amazing at the end I had the Atheros on board he had 2 supremes in hand with 3 creatures I told him no matter what you need to stop me from getting the maggot back or you just lose and he was at 3 he was playing American Control. Game 2 was same as game 1 I just stripped the hand and played Atheros, Erebos I was able to bait his turn and burn on my brain maggot when I got both gods active I just destroyed him.
Sorry everyone for my flop The deck was very fun I plan to try to tune it a bit more I think we need more board presence with bigger threats like another Archangel because when I landed her I just won there was nothing to stop me...I really was upset with the ultimate price it cost me game 3 of my round 2 match I think this deck has a ton of potential I hope my failure today does not cause people to lose hope in it. I had lack of sleep and I threw the deck together today in the morning. Sorry if my report is all over the place I passed out while I was typing and I woke up to finish 4 hours later. If anyone has updates do tell! I plan to test more tomorrow.
Today Is SCG Worcester I plan to be there and I would be honored to pilot this deck when I saw the name in the list of established "Std Death and Taxes" I was Excited I been wanting to try a enchantment type of deck either for the green black or the black white. Yours fits perfect after reading your report I made only a few changes because I did not have a playset or I just prefer to try another.
I replaced 1 fleece ram with Extinguish all hope, and I added 1x plains and swamp because I do not have more than 1 mana confluence and I did not have the guildgate sad I know doing the best I can. I changed the oppressing rays for 2x Ultimate price I might just grab some orzhov charms 2 of them instead, last thing was because I did not have 3 deicide I opted for 1x Bile and Blight I think a 1 of can help stop mana decks in mono green that or kill rats easy... The event is today I want to thank you for posting a lot of information on this deck I really am excited to try it I hope the changes I have made don't cause to much of a difference in my ability to play that and lack of sleep from looking for a deck to play today. Please let me know what you think of the slight changes I hope before 7 am Eastern because ill probably be ready to head out the door Ill bring a report back though of how I did and what I played against.
Hey I was wondering if you guys could post an updated deck list and reasons for card choices, I been looking around at Grixis, Dimir, and other control type decks. This one seems to be very interesting. Also what does everyone think about master of feast? 5/5 for 3 seems pretty good could replace deso demon..maybe? what are your thoughts on brain maggets??
1 Emrakul, the Promised End
3 Distended Mindbender
3 Torrential Gearhulk
3 Goblin Dark-Dwellers
2 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
Planeswalker 4
3 Liliana, the Last Hope
1 Chandra, Flamecaller
3 Kozilek's Return
3 Galvanic Bombardment
2 Grasp of Darkness
3 Unlicensed Disintegration
3 Ruinous Path
3 Anticipate
2 Transgress the Mind
2 Negate
2 Radiant Flames
1 Spell Shrivel
2 Duress
1 Lost Legacy
1 Tezzeret's Ambition
4 Scatter to the Winds
1 Painful Truths
1 Dispel
I think its either scatter to the winds or Void Shatter either works. I hope this helps others push grixis in the spot light. The land base count will be 26.
4 Darksteel Citadel
3 Island
4 Mountain
4 Shivan Reef
4 Steam Vents
3 temple of epiphany
Other spells (15)
3 swan song
1 Polymorphist's Jest
4 Ensoul Artifact
3 Izzet Charm
4 Shrapnel Blast
Non-artifact Creatures (11)
3 Chief Engineer
4 Generator Servant
3 goblin rabblemaster
1 Purphoros, God of the Forge
Artifact Creatures (8)
4 Ornithopter
4 Scuttling Doom Engine
Artifacts (4)
2 springleaf drum
2 Trading Post
1 Catch // Release
3 negate
2 curse of the swine
1 Keranos, God of Storms
2 Stormbreath Dragon
1 Hammer of Purphoros
2 circle of flame
1 Polymorphist's Jest
2 Phyrexian Revoker
Round 1 Vs G/B Dredge she was a new player so I cannot say that it was hard it was very easy she was new to the deck so I won 2-0 I was able to help her with a few tricks in her deck. grisly salvage things on those lines.
Round 2 Vs U/R Artifact Mirror game 1 went something like this he flooded the table with generator servant I killed it, he then played his ensoul on the Citadel he swung 5 I then sac'ed my Generator servant played my Doom Engine swung 6 he played another land swinging in for 5 he passed I swung 6 again...he went below the thresh hold and I shrapnel blasted him taking the win. Game 2 went something in my favor he was playing the Keranos//Thassa build which I don't think is as good as the one I was piloting because yeah he was able to scry but my turn 2 ensould citadel just crushed him he was running 24 lands way to many. He was able to play dragon and pass I drew my dragon and played it swung 9 bringing him to the dead zone, he played a land and passed I swung again he blocked my dragon he was again in the danger zone and I did not have shrapnel blast to finish him so I played scuttling doom engine and passed he drew nothing and the game ended there 2-0
Round 3, and 4 were against U/W Control they were both friends who made exact same decks which was very stressful they ran 10 main board counters nuts. so Game 1 in round 3 I lost game 1 just mulligan because 1 land I was a bit upset so I yolo'ed it and lost game 2 of round 3 I kept a great hand we went back and forth until citadel was ensouled swinging 5 a turn he tried to tap out and sphinx rev but izzet charm caught it. He later tried to stop me from puting down a doom engine but I was able to counter with swan song. Game 2 of round 3 ended with a bang from shrapnel blast. game 3 of round 3 we went back and forth again counter to counter he was able to land elspeth make 3 guys and pass I played my dragon swung at him bringing him from 18 to 14, I shrapnel blasted my land to kill elspeth right on the dot with negates in hand he played land pass. I untapped played land swung in and was able to monster my dragon making him take 12 damage bringing him to two...I had dooms in hand I passed. He tapped and sphinx rev for 3 bringing him to 5 life he kept 4 lands open for Supreme verdict which he did not get. we shook hands as I took the win. 2-1
Round 4 was his friend game 1 went as if you blinked turn 1 steam vents pass..he played a land go deal. I played Citadel and Ensouled it pass..he played mutavault pass I then just swung 5 and pass he did not get the 3rd land to use his detention sphere so he scooped it up game 1, Game 2 of round 4 was ugly sphinx into sphinx into elspeth on top of elixer...I scooped it up I did not get a counter to save my life so it was pretty ugly. Game 3 of round 4 I was able to ensoul again citadel and just ride it to the win he did not get a detention sphere or a charm to put it on top of my library but game 2 was so damn hard he countered everything doom engines and ensouls.. I won 2-1
Round 5 final round I was so close to taking it to the undefeated ring... Game 1 was pretty bad he had removal for days left and right my regenerator's all 3 of them got taken out he played a courser followed by a bunch of removal for each of my things he plays garruke Apex and I just had to scoop it up to game 2 we go this 1 I should have won we went back and forth it got to a point I had keranos, goblin rabblemaster, and ensouled citadel that was breaking his 4/4 lands left and right...after I was able to get through his none stop removal package I was able to stabilize at 2 life...with 2 negates in hand I was protected he had a ashiok at 7 I had doom engine and what not. What really sucked it out of me is that the previous turn when he plused ashiok to 7 he got a doom engine under him but what really kinda bugged me is the ashiok pile was infront of me and he took the creature and placed it over to his far left hand side in the corner of the table under ashiok it was kinda like "out of sight out of mind" I had forgot because the pile I looked at and knowing he had a doom blade coming from courser I was unaware he had taken a doom engine from the pile because I was looking over my cards and he placed it by the ashiok...a few friends told me its considered cheating for hiding it I don't know much about the rules on this but its FNM I had scuttling doom engine in my hand 2 negate and a shrapnel blast he was at 12..1 away from the danger zone. I tapped out and played doom engine not even knowing that he had 1 of my engines under his ashiok with a doom blade on top which was really sad because I had that win in the bag his deck was nothing on top of mine I feel if it was in sight I would not have tapped out to play a doom engine when he has 1...so it cost me the game. he won 0-2
Sorry about my round 5 rant I was very disappointed in that play mistake it cost me that game. Overall The deck ran really good for me. A friend of mine also went 4-1 he got 3rd over me because he did lose that last round too but he went 1-2 and I went 0-2 so yeah I can see that snake getting in there. changes I am not sure yet. Negates were an all star I won a lot with just ensouling the land and breaking faces with it against control though the 2 friends who made the blue white control decks they have been playing it for months now so it was not a walk in the park but do able. The mirror match I just over ran him because he was relying on gods to take wins. The other guy was running the cloudfin, revoker, Illusion angel type deck I told him drop the angels they are traps. He was trying to run heavy agro type I am not hating on what he likes but you cannot push to try to win with that type of deck when there were so many decks tonight that were able to stop x/2's from even making a difference anger of the gods, supreme, and drown in sorrow. He went I think 2-3 I did not vs this version of the deck either so I cannot just say the deck is bad its just in the store tonight that was not a good pick. Anyway I hope this helps a lot of you sorry if my results are all over I went to a party after around 11pm so Everyone I hope you have good news for the rest of us I am looking to see who else made it out there.
Again thanks to 4649Matt for posting such a good deck shell to run off of I did not copy everything to a T but the changes def break peoples backs esp. swan song man don't over look that card try it out. A few players were impressed with me piloting a rogue deck tonight R/U Artifacts. final score 4-1 (8-4) taking 4th place at FNM
Something I have more concern with is mono blue devotion I play tested against 1 and yes I had mana issues but had the hardest time vsing it...I replaced the 1 of plasm capture with the 4th aetherspouts. Just a tough match overall.
I want to thank Kamahl, the Fallen for posting such a great deck it really blew some people away not knowing how to deal with so many walkers on board. I changed a few things and I feel different about Ashiok I like him a lot hes the target of almost all removal which helps me turn 4 Jace, TLGP, or Kiora.
4 Sylvan caryatid
1 Soul of new phyrexia
Planeswalkers 10
2 Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
2 Jace, the living guildpact
3 Kiora, the crashing wave
2 Nissa, worldwaker
1 Garruk, Apex Predator
Spells 20
3 thoughtseize
3 abrupt decay
1 putrefy
3 hero's downfall
4 dissolve
1 plasm capture
2 jace's ingenuity
3 aetherspouts
1 watery grave
4 breeding pool
3 temple of deceit
2 darksteel citadel
2 yavimaya coast
4 overgrown tomb
2 Llanowar wastes
3 temple of malady
1 urborg, tomb of yawgmoth
3 temple of mystery
1 swan song
1 thoughtseize
1 ultimate price
2 negate
4 hornet nest
4 mistcutter hydra
1 dissipate
1 perilous vault
5 rounds
Round 1 vs a Mono Black Devotion Win 1-0
I was able to just land kiora and protect her ulted, and won game 1 swept that one easy. Game 2 I was able to ashiok and get a rat under him so I played it for turn and went on the rat program he had 2 rats in play already, so I was trying to race him about few turns later he lands whip and just has his way all I did then was stall the board because he had 2 underworld connection on the board with a ton of rats I think they were all 12/12 if not more time saved me in this match ashiok saved me from losing and I had Kiora Emblem active.
Round 2 Vs Black-Blue Mill Win 2-0
I play tested earlier with him his deck just over ran me fast I was unable to do much in the testing before the event. well game 1 of round 2 was ok I was able to land various planeswalkers. He landed consuming aberition while I had a ton in the grave from his milling I was able to land Kiora and just plus till he played a second one but I had Aetherspouts in my hand with a counter I was able to ult kiora and bounce his cards to the top of his library with no cards in hand I had 2 9/9's on board took him to two and passed with counter magic up he scooped it up to game 2. Game two he mulled to 6, I was able to get ashiok on board he had one soon after and we went back and forth till I jace bounced and thoughtseized it away. It got to the point I had 3 dissolves in hand I was able to ult jace and take the win with Kiora and Nissa hitting the table back to back.
Round 3 Black/White Mid range Win 3-0
Game 1 was pretty similar to others I was able to just flood the board with planeswalkers and he killed jace but kiora was able to ult with nissa pumping 4/4's per turn I took game 1, Game 2 He mulled to 5 he was off color I was able to thoughtseize his downfall and just land Kiora, nissa, and a jace he was manna screwed and he lost to 4 x 4/4's he had a baron stuck in his hand.
Round 4 Black/Green Midrange Win 4-0
Again game 1 kiora ult just wins he scooped it up pretty fast, Game 2 was a bit slower he was able to duress,duress, and he had removal when I thoughtseize him and he had downfalls so I played jace and he killed it I played a Kiora he had a 3/3 miscutter hydra I had 2 mana dorks he played a demon I put the demon in the bubble the whole time it got to a point where he played a second one and I played Garruk Killing 1 and ulting kiora, and then ulting Jace he was waiting for no idea but he thought he could stall the board I was able to get Garruk back out because he killed him with Muta's, and Hydra. He eventually scooped it up because once I jace ulted the game ended with Soul of phyrexia on the board with kiora emblem, Garruk, tokens, and an ashiok.
Round 5 we just split the box and credit I ended up getting 1st place in the end ^_^!
Overall great deck has very flexible mana base some MVP for me Kiora's ult, Soul of new Phyrexia I was able to blow someone out when they toughtseized him out of my hand and tried to kill ashiok with a downfall I made him indestructible until end of turn, and even when I play him he blocks baron and is a house of a card. Ashiok was able to help me vs mono block with pack rat plan.
Thats all I have sorry that the description is light. I hope this helps other please let me know what you think of the deck. again thank you Kamahl, the Fallen for posting a shell I could work off of it won me half a box tonight!
1 obzedat, ghost council
3 desecration demon
3 Blood baron of vizkopa
3 stormbreath dragon
Planeswalkers 4
2 Elspeth, sun's champion
2 liliana Vess
Artifacts 3
2 Rakdos Keyrune
1 Whip of Erebos
Spells 18
4 Thoughtseize
2 dreadbore
1 mizzium mortars
2 anger of the gods
3 hero's downfall
2 banishing light
2 underworld connections
2 Rakdos's return
4 battlefield forge
4 blood crypt
4 godless shrine
4 temple of malice
2 temple of silence
2 temple of triumph
1 mana confluence
2 caves of koilos
1 urborg, tomb of yawgmoth
1 sacred foundry
1 Merciless eviction
1 erebos, god of the dead
3 sin collector
1 sire of insanity
2 slaughter games
2 anger of the gods
3 nyx-fleece ram
2 deicide
So there is the full deck that I put together using Charm's shell listed above let me know what you think.
Edit notes: I adjusted the spells and creature consistancy I removed the Brimaz and placed more dragons and Blood barons and reduced the obzedat to 1. I placed 1 merciless eviction in the sideboard, and removed wear//tear since I have deicide as well. I put the 4th thoughtseize, 2 underworld connection in the mainboard.
4 Temple of Silence
4 Godless Shrine
1 Mana Confluence
8 Swamp
7 Plains
Control
4 Brain Maggot
4 Thoughtseize
3 Hero's Downfall
3 Banishing Light
1 Extinguish all hope
2 Archangel of Thune
Taxes
2 Athreos, God of Passage
3 Fate Unraveler
4 Grim Guardian
3 Underworld Coinsmith
2 Obzedat, Ghost Council
Draw
3 Underworld Connections
Life-gain, anti-aggro, trigger
2 Nyx-Fleece Ram
2 Deicide
1 Hero's Downfall
3 Fiendslayer Paladin
2 Ultimate price
1 Erebos, God of the Dead
2 Aegis of the Gods
1 Banishing Light
2 Lifebane Zombie
1 Bile and blight
Sorry I did so poorly a lot of my friends dropped at X-2 which is insane but that is the main reason I followed up with a drop as well they had a chance if you ask me but they didnt want to grind the last 5 matches trying to make sure they win out. Total rounds were 10. I have a friend named Dan Paine whos still playing and hes probably 6-0 now hes running Red/White Burn he also made top 8 in the TCG Boston Ma from last weekend. I made 45th out of 100+ I think I did so so... ANYWAY about this deck!
I had to make a few adjustments some of the things I wish I did not have well 1 is the ultimate price I lost a game to green white aggro because he had a dryad militant with a plus counter from ajani and I could not interact with it didn't draw my 3rd land to hit the banishing light and take control. I never got to cast Extinguish all hope I wish I did in my 3rd game against Mono Blue devotion. so lets go over my games
Round 1 Loss 2-0 Red/White Devotion He was on the play from winning the dice roll. The 1st game went something on the lines of poor judgement, on me and lack of removal I had a 5 land hand thoughtseize and a Brain Maggot He starts off land go..I did land thoughtseize his hand was stacked and I just ***** bricks.. 2x fanatic of mogis 2 lands frostburn wierd, and a burning tree I was not 100% sure what to take so I took the burning tree. On his turn he plays a red land puts wierd on the table and passes. I go turn 2 land brain maggot taking one of now 3 fanatic mogis in his hand... he then plays burning tree of the draw plays a damn nykthos and plays fanatic for 5 and swings I did not block so I took the 5+ the swing of one of his creatures. I drew a land passed and said this is over...scooped it up and went to the next game. I sided out underworld, extinguish, and I put in ultimate price, aegis of the god and fiendslayer. I was on the play I had a decent hand coinsmith, brain maggot, thoughtseize, and 5 lands I was thinking this should be good. Turn 1 thoughtseize he had a Lands, hammer of porph, red god, wierd, and reckoner. I took the wierd he played land go I played the maggot and took the reckoner no change in hand really. He played land into burning tree he passed..I drew land played coinsmith pass. He played hammer and nykthos pass and I drew a land sweet pass... I just drew lands after that he drew dragon, he had played red god and flooded the board I ended up blocking with no choice with my maggot and coin smith from red god with haste backed by dragon I Scooped it Up.
Round 2 Loss 2-1 Green/White/Splash red (Naya Aggro) Game 1 he just took it fast I didnt have a way back he had a curve that was great I had a lot of 2 drops and he flooded the board I never got a removal to save my life and he had swung 1 turn with the fabled hero he giant growthed him, and charmed him for trample swinging 18 I was foolish to block with my maggot not really aware he had me dead on board with that till after I blocked sorry lack of sleep on my side. Game 2 I was able to just curve great thought seized, brain maggot, Atheros, into grim guardian. I later got my god active and slowly killed him he had ulted a Fleecemane Lion so I ended up killing him down with my Obzedat Great way to go. Game 3 went quick I was in need of none tap land on turn 2 I had swamp and got a bit greedy I figured I have enough untap land to make it happen...He played land dryan militant pass I was on the draw went swamp thoughtseize I took his Voice pass. I did not get the land I had to play temple and pass he played a land...I was so downsided by that because I knew he had an ajani in his hand so he played it taking 1 from mana confluence put a plus counter on his militant swinging in for 3 I took it he passed..I played brain maggot taking his ghor clan rampager he had a brave in hand some lands...he put his militant with flying double strike swings and ghor clans from top deck what a hit 14 damage bringing me to 1!!!! I had banishing light I knew if I drew a land he maybe would miss the brave trigger and I would atleast get to block again well I drew not a land and scooped it up with Ultimate price in my hand I was pretty upset by that.
Round 3 Loss 2-1 Mono Blue devotion Game 1 went fast and ugly he just had the best hand having master of waves for 4, followed next turn with master of waves for 5 I scooped it up with no removal in sight. I was able to take game 2 with the side in of Ultimate price, Bile and blight, hero's downfall, and fiendslayer. I took various things out from 3x underworld connection to 1 of the fate unraveler, 2 of the grims, 1 coinsmith, and 2 fleece rams. I was on the play the game went down perfect thoughtseized his hand removed his turn 2 play the wierd, he played land the raptor go, I played brain maggot and took his rapid hybridization pass he played that 2/2 that locks down green creatures I forget the name evolve trigger and swung 1. I then played land passed he played a land and went to swing in I ultimate priced that down, he passed I played another land passed he played master for 3 I was able to kill it with another ultimate price. He then swing 2 it was fine I then played land and put out the grim guardian 2 mana up he then played a land another master I bile and blighted it perfect ends..he passed I played archangel he had no answers and scooped it up. Game 3 was just a bit grindy I ran into a land patch when we were going back and forth he was murdering me with the 3x judges familiar the lands were a flop just no more removal I had removed his bident, master, and had a fiendslayer paladin down but never drew anything after the 4th turn I just had strait mana draws it was a Blow out!
Round 4 I WON! 2-0 but I gave my opponent the win because I ment to drop last round with a record of 0-3 at this point I feel as if I failed everyone I had high hopes I plan to use this deck its good you steam roll your opponent atleast I think so. I wanted to drop, and my opponent was a friend of a gentleman named Scott who won the TCG event Boston with Green/White aggro I was excited to talk to him about how insane that event was I also told him I was going to give him the win No matter what happens but we will play he said ok sounds good friendly game at this point. I murdered him both games I will say it just was perfect the melting with coin smith and the trigger with grim guardian were amazing at the end I had the Atheros on board he had 2 supremes in hand with 3 creatures I told him no matter what you need to stop me from getting the maggot back or you just lose and he was at 3 he was playing American Control. Game 2 was same as game 1 I just stripped the hand and played Atheros, Erebos I was able to bait his turn and burn on my brain maggot when I got both gods active I just destroyed him.
Sorry everyone for my flop The deck was very fun I plan to try to tune it a bit more I think we need more board presence with bigger threats like another Archangel because when I landed her I just won there was nothing to stop me...I really was upset with the ultimate price it cost me game 3 of my round 2 match I think this deck has a ton of potential I hope my failure today does not cause people to lose hope in it. I had lack of sleep and I threw the deck together today in the morning. Sorry if my report is all over the place I passed out while I was typing and I woke up to finish 4 hours later. If anyone has updates do tell! I plan to test more tomorrow.
I replaced 1 fleece ram with Extinguish all hope, and I added 1x plains and swamp because I do not have more than 1 mana confluence and I did not have the guildgate sad I know doing the best I can. I changed the oppressing rays for 2x Ultimate price I might just grab some orzhov charms 2 of them instead, last thing was because I did not have 3 deicide I opted for 1x Bile and Blight I think a 1 of can help stop mana decks in mono green that or kill rats easy... The event is today I want to thank you for posting a lot of information on this deck I really am excited to try it I hope the changes I have made don't cause to much of a difference in my ability to play that and lack of sleep from looking for a deck to play today. Please let me know what you think of the slight changes I hope before 7 am Eastern because ill probably be ready to head out the door Ill bring a report back though of how I did and what I played against.