Sweet boys, so all we have to do is wait till April. That means in about a year and a half, the format was only broken for about 6 months. I hate to give wizards what they want but I don't see much alternative to standard at this point.
I don't want to link the site because it will get them a WOTC cease-and-desist for scraping MTGO results, but there is someone out there monitoring MTGO match results. Not only is Eldrazi 50% of the winners metagame, but both versions have MWP of around 65%. No other deck is over 54%. For reference, Affinity has a MWP around 64% against Merfolk, and Burn is 64% against Tron. So Eldrazi is a little better against the field than Affinity is against Merfolk or Burn is against Tron. WOTC has all this data, and I'm sure they are paying attention to it.
I'm really hoping the format stabilizes, or if necessary, a ban takes place come April. Until then, I will not be playing Modern outside of the kitchen table. I know I'm in the minority, but I've spoken out on social media, and I'll do so again by not partaking in any official modern tournament. If you dislike the format, don't play it.
I absolutely don't think you're in the minority. I guess time will tell, although it sort of depends on what wizards lets us in on.
Unprecedented? Have you ever seen this thread? Every time a deck wins a tournament, someone calls for a ban.
For example, when Treasure Cruise was the modern wrecking force du jour, the forums at least on the surface were fairly evenly divided. At this point it's becoming increasingly difficult to find people on this forum who flat out don't think the deck will or ever should get some form of ban.
Delaying the innevitable isn't good for anyone. Would you spend your money on an eldrazi deck right now? Would you advise anyone else to? Would you advise anyone to bring another deck to a tournament or even attend at all? Waiting isn't a complete free-roll.
I agree those are unfortunate, but also uncertain, costs. That said, the costs of premature action, although still uncertain, are far more dangerous for Modern. There is no period in Modern's history that suggests players will be so turned off in just two months that they will never return. If Eldrazi proves to be a problem, Wizards will ban it in April and be done with it. Players will then return and Modern will eventually be totally fine. Early action runs the huge risk of banning the wrong card (which could force Wizards to do yet another ban or have unforeseen consequences elsewhere), and sets a terrible precedent that would plague Modern for years.
The costs and risks of waiting just aren't very high. The costs and risks of early action are much higher.
I appreciate what you are saying and perhaps in the end you are right, but this feels completely unprecedented to me. I've never seen this forum or reddit so unanimously decide that a ban is completely necessary and innevitable, all we're left with now is when.
Delaying the innevitable isn't good for anyone. Would you spend your money on an eldrazi deck right now? Would you advise anyone else to? Would you advise anyone to bring another deck to a tournament or even attend at all? Waiting isn't a complete free-roll.
April is a long wait. I am not sure the player base would want to wait till april.
My article tomorrow will speak directly to this. There is strong evidence to suggest Modern's attendance will not suffer in the longterm, and that Wizards can use the two months to make the proper ban. The risks of waiting are very low. The costs of premature action could be very high, so Wizards is doing the right thing in waiting.
I pretty much disagree on all points. Modern is in complete limbo, I wouldn't advise anyone close to me to actively spend money on modern products or tournies until this gets sorted.
The format will be fine. But this shortsighted and kneejerk response to the Eldrazi is wildly risky and we should be thankful Wizards is levelheaded enough to wait.
Could you at least stop talking like you speak for everyone. You're holier than though "keep calm" article was very poorly received in both comments and downotes on the sub reddit, please just stick to the numbers and your opinion, unless you want to start doing some legitimate polls.
April is a long wait. I am not sure the player base would want to wait till april.
My article tomorrow will speak directly to this. There is strong evidence to suggest Modern's attendance will not suffer in the longterm, and that Wizards can use the two months to make the proper ban. The risks of waiting are very low. The costs of premature action could be very high, so Wizards is doing the right thing in waiting.
I pretty much disagree on all points. Modern is in complete limbo, I wouldn't advise anyone close to me to actively spend money on modern products or tournies until this gets sorted.
Yeah I'm 99% sure Eye of Ugin and/or Eldrazi Temple will be banned soon. I don't even think they need top top8 another GP, just based off this pro tour and vitriol from the community (pros and non-pros). Given that every single modern deck (except 1) in a pro tour final has been banned within a year, even it wasn't two of the same deck like it was this time. 6/8 top 8 at the highest level of magic is too much. Given they were only 7% of the day 1 meta, 6/8 of the top 8 is absurd. I don't think WotC will need anything else other than this event, they will ban it to just send a message.
I'm even more sure this will be banned than I was Treasure Cruise. I thought they could maybe fight Cruise if they unbanned some cards, like BBE. There's nothing you can really unban to help this situation.
Eldrazi deck is a dead man walking.
It seems that a ban is clearly inevitable. I too think wizards will do it sooner rather than later, the entire format is going to be in limbo until then. At the time, I couldn't image a card more obviously needing a ban than treasure cruise, this by far takes the cake.
here we go. The old x deck is unbeatable argument. Of cource it's beat able. It's format warping for sure but I've been beating it with death and taxes. Painter's Servant is a card you know.
That's no format I want to be a part of, think I'll just wait for wizards to do the inevitable and pick up previous format staples at bargain basement prices.
Ya, I honestly don't think anything should be banned. People who spend tons of money on a mana base to play a deck, just to have it banned is completely unfair.
Here's the problem, as it stands right now, basically every non-eldrazi deck just got banned from modern. If you look at what prices are doing right now on mtgo, non-eldrazi decks prices are all plummeting. Far more money has been lost by non-eldrazi players.
Look a penny saved is a penny earned, everyone who plays the wait and see and hangs onto their cards are literally spending hundreds of dollars to do so (this mainly applies to MTGO where the metagame is instantly interpreted into market value).
I understand the economic aspecf of what you mention but I can't relate to that, I don't play MTGO and I never sell my cards
I must say, I do envy the stable prices of paper compared to MTGO, it's a freakin' roller coaster.
A lot of people seem to be saying that modern would be better if it were legacy, and well....it probably would. But what can I say, wizards doesn't seem to keen to add the cards to modern which make legacy legacy. As for me, I'd be playing legacy too if it weren't 8x more expensive and 8x less popular.
Look a penny saved is a penny earned, everyone who plays the wait and see and hangs onto their cards are literally spending hundreds of dollars to do so (this mainly applies to MTGO where the metagame is instantly interpreted into market value).
I believe the response is ramping up really hard with SSG and friends for a Stone Rain or similar 3cc LD spells on Eye of Ugin. Maybe it's doable on an artifact based shell with opals and springleaf drums. CMON PEOPLE!
that sounds like a terrible deck; i need to hope to have 5 cards in hand (1 land;spring leaf drum, SSG,a creature that cost 0-1, and a stone rain) just to deal with 1 of 8 lands they run.
I believe it's rather obvious that the first Eye hurts other decks the most. Joking aside, I believe that the only response to these kinds of Eldrazi decks is ramping to land denial. Fulminator Mage , Ghost Quarter, Crack the Earth, Boom // Bust can fit into existing shells.
That is horrific, and somehow unsurprising.
I absolutely don't think you're in the minority. I guess time will tell, although it sort of depends on what wizards lets us in on.
For example, when Treasure Cruise was the modern wrecking force du jour, the forums at least on the surface were fairly evenly divided. At this point it's becoming increasingly difficult to find people on this forum who flat out don't think the deck will or ever should get some form of ban.
I appreciate what you are saying and perhaps in the end you are right, but this feels completely unprecedented to me. I've never seen this forum or reddit so unanimously decide that a ban is completely necessary and innevitable, all we're left with now is when.
Could you at least stop talking like you speak for everyone. You're holier than though "keep calm" article was very poorly received in both comments and downotes on the sub reddit, please just stick to the numbers and your opinion, unless you want to start doing some legitimate polls.
I pretty much disagree on all points. Modern is in complete limbo, I wouldn't advise anyone close to me to actively spend money on modern products or tournies until this gets sorted.
It seems that a ban is clearly inevitable. I too think wizards will do it sooner rather than later, the entire format is going to be in limbo until then. At the time, I couldn't image a card more obviously needing a ban than treasure cruise, this by far takes the cake.
That's no format I want to be a part of, think I'll just wait for wizards to do the inevitable and pick up previous format staples at bargain basement prices.
Here's the problem, as it stands right now, basically every non-eldrazi deck just got banned from modern. If you look at what prices are doing right now on mtgo, non-eldrazi decks prices are all plummeting. Far more money has been lost by non-eldrazi players.
I must say, I do envy the stable prices of paper compared to MTGO, it's a freakin' roller coaster.
...a massive sell off of the supposed answer to the deck which just took over modern.