Also, I have mixed feelings about the use of nearly every mechanic ever in Modern Horizons (some in colors never before seen in) because that is was the theme of my most recent custom set. Happy because I like it. Bummed because I literally started the set with the goal of doing “something WotC wouldn't do (again)”. *sigh*
I once had a casual, monogreen +1/+1 counters/fight, Bear tribal deck. Nothing like winning with a 20/20 Grizzly Bear. Would have loved this card in it. Maybe I’ll reassemble it with new bears.
Because this specific one doesn’t hold to the declared criteria for banning. Why is this fact being completely ignored, even by the CAD apparently? Every argument in this thread leveled against wishes fails when held to the actual, official reasons for banning. It would make more sense to try out the wishes and then, if any are problematic, ban the offenders. But don’t preban them. The irony of Rule 13 and the apparent hypocrisy that led to it is why I said anything at all. I applaud others in this thread who have done such a superb job of countering emotional arguments with logic and explaining why wishes should be a relevant part of EDH.
Well we have already established that the rules which define the format (exactly 100 different cards, color identity) only extend to the deck building phase. If you want wishes with no intervention then you have to concede that I can get any card that isn't banned. Doing this clearly violates the spirit of the deck building restrictions, unless you think that the RC should step in and make their own errata. Then we are back to the issue of needing a formal sideboard during sanctioned play, which must now be defined.
Why is anyone acting like having wishes conform to the Commander format would be complicated and unwieldy? It’s so intuitive a caveman can understand it. Restating arguments made against wishing that have already been debunked in this thread doesn’t make them any more correct. Ignoring better arguments doesn’t make them incorrect. At this point, arguments against wishes in Commander are starting to seem more like false pretense rather than what I thought were false, worst-case-scenario assumptions (seen below).
If you want to argue the actual philosophy as it applies to wishes, then it would fall under creating undesirable game states when players spend five minutes digging through their collection for that silver bullet.
I’m convinced that this is the Chicken Little argument that echoed in the ears of the CAD. It’s just as reasonable to assume that wishing will take about as long as tutoring. Should tutors be banned? Of course not. Imo, the CAD and people like us, will come to more productive conclusions if they assume the best about Commander players rather than the worst.
“100 cards" for me is already a sign that there are no sideboards in this format.
As stated, there needn’t be a wishboard. Though most players using wishes would probably use the term anyways and even assemble them just to be efficient and respectful.
and apparently for the RC wishes arent mean't for commander.
They’re meant for Magic as a whole, including Commander. Comparing wishes to cards (like Fractured Powerstone and Conspiracies) which have specific effects that were knowingly, deliberately created to work solely within their respective formats, is a false equivalency. The correct comparison for Planechase and Conspiracy/draft specific cards would be to Commander specific cards such as Command Tower. Wishes have nothing to do with this that debate and vice-versa.
You already accept a number of format specific rules which don't exist in any.other format, so why yet up in arms over this specific one?
Because this specific one doesn’t hold to the declared criteria for banning. Why is this fact being completely ignored, even by the CAD apparently? Every argument in this thread leveled against wishes fails when held to the actual, official reasons for banning. It would make more sense to try out the wishes and then, if any are problematic, ban the offenders. But don’t preban them. The irony of Rule 13 and the apparent hypocrisy that led to it is why I said anything at all. I applaud others in this thread who have done such a superb job of countering emotional arguments with logic and explaining why wishes should be a relevant part of EDH.
Academy Ruins is already the blue one.
Volrath's Stronghold is already the black one.
Also, I have mixed feelings about the use of nearly every mechanic ever in Modern Horizons (some in colors never before seen in) because that
iswas the theme of my most recent custom set. Happy because I like it. Bummed because I literally started the set with the goal of doing “something WotC wouldn't do (again)”. *sigh*Mechanically, it’s very nice. And I too am thankful she’s Kor and a Cleric, two currently underdog tribes.
Right!? They even sound legendary.
Surprise!
(It took less than four hours.)
Spam warning issued (posting only for strategy advice). -MadMage
Why is anyone acting like having wishes conform to the Commander format would be complicated and unwieldy? It’s so intuitive a caveman can understand it. Restating arguments made against wishing that have already been debunked in this thread doesn’t make them any more correct. Ignoring better arguments doesn’t make them incorrect. At this point, arguments against wishes in Commander are starting to seem more like false pretense rather than what I thought were false, worst-case-scenario assumptions (seen below).
I’m convinced that this is the Chicken Little argument that echoed in the ears of the CAD. It’s just as reasonable to assume that wishing will take about as long as tutoring. Should tutors be banned? Of course not. Imo, the CAD and people like us, will come to more productive conclusions if they assume the best about Commander players rather than the worst.
As stated, there needn’t be a wishboard. Though most players using wishes would probably use the term anyways and even assemble them just to be efficient and respectful.
They’re meant for Magic as a whole, including Commander. Comparing wishes to cards (like Fractured Powerstone and Conspiracies) which have specific effects that were knowingly, deliberately created to work solely within their respective formats, is a false equivalency. The correct comparison for Planechase and Conspiracy/draft specific cards would be to Commander specific cards such as Command Tower. Wishes have nothing to do with this that debate and vice-versa.
Because this specific one doesn’t hold to the declared criteria for banning. Why is this fact being completely ignored, even by the CAD apparently? Every argument in this thread leveled against wishes fails when held to the actual, official reasons for banning. It would make more sense to try out the wishes and then, if any are problematic, ban the offenders. But don’t preban them. The irony of Rule 13 and the apparent hypocrisy that led to it is why I said anything at all. I applaud others in this thread who have done such a superb job of countering emotional arguments with logic and explaining why wishes should be a relevant part of EDH.