I have a friend who is DEEEP in to foils. Every modern deck done and foiled.
So Naturally he seen me play lantern and wanted to buy my stuff. ( I was hard for a job at the time) sold him my foil codex shredders and ghoul callers. he bought the
rest foil as well as the lantern of Insight (went to a GP with him, scoured the floor till we found 4, Near mint and beautiful. bought all for a total of 35 bucks)
Now I am getting back in the game for modern. I am rebuying all the cards from him. so I have a playset of Lanterns, codex, ghoulcallers, pithing needles, 1 foil glimmer void. thoughtseizes.
I did a GPT for Texas his past Saturday, I went to a sad 2-2 Finish.
He is a quick rundown of the matches.
Round 1: Storm (old school not Thing Ascension)
A Close friend of mine. He wanted to break out the ol' storm for a run around.
Game 1, I Tore his hand apart with a Thoughtseize 2 IOK's and a Brutality.
he recovered through a string of cantrips. Nothing much I could do after that.
I start to take his hand apart, milling slowly. I get his wear/tear and mill enough I feel close to him fizzling. I stick Tezzeret and swing 5 and 10 at him. He cracks enough fetches to go to 1. with 8 cards left he turns 2 pyro on and floats 18 mana off of 2 pyrectics and kills me with a flash backed gutshot.
0-1
Game 2: Grixis Delver
Some guys came up from Little Rock, AR to play, real nice guys too.
He opens with a polluted, in to a Watery grave Sereum Visions.
I open with a IOK off a Blackcleave cliffs and take a Snapcaster.
he plays a Scalding Tarn leaving up a Watery Grave.
There is some chatter from him and is friend about me being on Jund. I smile as I play a Lanowar Waste.
"What?" Playing a thoughtseize to take a Kolghans Command (Yes) and then playing a lantern off the Lanowar waste.
"Oh!" Pass, he doesn't crack the tarn untaps draws passes. I draw a pithing needle and play it. I ask "does it resolve?" he says "yes", I name Scalding tarn he goes "response" going to crack the Tarn and reaches for the deck. I says quickly putting my hands up to stop him. "you can't respond to me naming" he looks confused. Call a judge it is confirmed that he can not. Slides the tarn to the side rather not happy about it. the game goes on where I lock him down he plays for about 15 minuets and concedes. His Friend being very impressed with the deck is like "well selling grixis delver for this deck"
Sideboard: -2 Pithing needles, -2 Ghoulcaller bell, -1 thought seize
IN:2 Grafdiggers cage, 3 Welding jar.
Reason for no Spellskite: I didn't see what else to cut with out lessening the over all strategy.
Game 2: Game grinds out one play my Opp plays a Overloaded Vandal blast I regen with a Welding jar.
Activate academy put welding jar on top. activate sea gate draw welding jar draw land for turn play jar. Ping with Aether grid for 1
take him to 2 end of his turn Sea Gate for a ghoul callers, draw a lantern of insight for the turn. Play both ping him on turn 4 of time.
1-1
Game 3: Abzan Midrange
Game 1: Grids my life points down as I don't have color mana. could no dump my hand quick enough and 8 lingering souls tokens
take me to town.
SB: I forget what I took out actually I had 3 hours of sleep so my memory is fuzzy. I think I remember Jars and spellskites going in.
Game 2: Pithing Liliana of the veil Opp hand 1 in hand and 1 on top. good call for me. Bridge on 2 Tezz on 3. +'s till tez minus to 1 doing 18 to my opp. He responds and nature claims the bridge which I jar puts him to 2. Find a Grid for turn and ping him twice.
Game 3: I punted a 5 card hand. no Lands but opal and jar in hand. 1 land or 1 0 drop gets me in. 23 possible targets. Does not connect. Lose hard.
1-2
Game 4: Mono Goblins.
Game 1: Bridge and Tezz take the game from turn 4 - 5 - 6. opp dead.
SB: -2 Thoughtseize -3 Pithing Needle +2 Pyro +3 Sun droplet
Game 2: Same thing. Tezz takes it Home.
2-2
Thanks for the reading I haven't touch the deck since 2 months after Zac Elisk took OKC. It is Good to be back with lanterns.
"Stay out of that personal space!"
Choices: So I was deciding what to do for the wincons of the deck. I love Pyrite but I feel like it is much to time for your Opp. to get out of it. Because it takes atleast 10 turns to do it So went with Aether grid. I had sword and thoper combo but it again 2 slow. It got dealt with very quickly as well. I traded it out for Tezz and infernal.
I like the way it is now. So I will continue with it until KLD comes out.
Hi guys, i'm a modern player and i'm getting in touch with standard. I want to start with the strangest deck possible, so i was reading about the new bg pact deck that leon's submitted after the pro tour. Anyways the rotation is in october and i won't be able to play a deck until mid/late september. As the rotation will cut off one key card for that deck, i started searching for different ideas and i found this topic.
I love how the deck works but since there are a lot of cards that will be banned in october i have few questions:
- Is tutelage absolutely needed to win a game?
- Will this deck still be playable without Dictate, whelming wave, aetherspout and Bow of Nylea? Which cards can be put in instead?
Thanks in advance fro your replies
For tutelage yes basically unless you are playing the beatdown play as a back up (maybe Thassa). If we get Blood cheif acesnion in BFZ that would be sweet. But right now it is the wincon.
To answer it is hard to say. With those being removed it might seem grim. BUT we might get another howling mine/Fog from BFZ. we might even get Hedron crab lol We are Live till BFZ and then we will see what will happen.
I don't understand how Liliana, Defiant Necromancer is a problem. Her plus ability is a joke against a deck packing 4x Dictate, her minus ability is irrelevant unless it's bringing back Grey Merchant or Shaman of the Pack with sufficient Elves/Devotion (and Lili PW has zero devotion), and her emblem takes 4 turns to acquire (meaning realistically she emblems on turn 8 at the earliest), and even then isn't really great against us. It turns off End Hostilities and that's about it. We can still Fog or Aetherspout (or Whelming Wave!) the enemy's team all day. The only concern with Liliana is her use in the Rally the Ancestors + Nantuko Husk deck, which is still decidedly low tier and still lacks a decent way to convert an infinite/infinite Husk into something that gets past a fog to kill us.
Now I don't really Agree with this. The abzan deck this past weekend does not rely just on the combo. It plays a Value Game with a combo on the side. Drawing a lot of cards off of sacing creatures with Grim Hex. and the turn you tap for for ANYTHING Could be a loss. if not, they value creature you. Raptor, Den protector Little hits to build and build. Life gain is rough for us. if we don't have any or a good wipe they will just tap us to death.
As well as if you mill them Mill them fast if not it will just speed them up on the value creatures.
Instead of Curse of the Swine against shaman, what do people think of Polymorphist's Jest? It's an instant, which is nice, but it might just be too narrow.
Trouble is it doesn't pull double duty against Dromoka and other problem cards the way Curse or Reality Shift do.
Yeah, that's totally fair. What I'm wondering, is whether or not it deserves its own spot in the board just for stopping Shaman. I've had a lot of trouble against Shaman in the few games I've played against it, so I'm probably just overreacting to the card.
Playing Orb's of Warding? it is quite lovely. Thougthseize does nothing. and the Prevent 1 damage from things. so elvish Visionary/Mystic/dywen's Elite token
Instead of Curse of the Swine against shaman, what do people think of Polymorphist's Jest? It's an instant, which is nice, but it might just be too narrow.
Trouble is it doesn't pull double duty against Dromoka and other problem cards the way Curse or Reality Shift do.
"It Do" lol
I am a fan of it. I will be testing it tonight. As well as maindecking 3 tormod's Crypts (abzan seems rough with Den protector)
Maybe because Undoing "undoes" all your mill work...?
This has been brought up and talked about.
it might "Undo" the mill you have but the deck seems to "almost" get there and jsut needs like 1 more turn before you die.
So if you can make it You Day's Undoing, Reload the fogs and chip away at them again. It is nothing but Upside. a Fresh 7, what ever you have in the field stays. Reload the Fogs, More draw cards and things.
Played the Stock List (61 Card) and a different Sideboard.
Match 1: Mono-white budget
(draft cards, Some rares Brimaz and citadel Siege)
2-0: quick game. fog fog fog. No sideboard needed really.
Match 2: Abzan Midrange
0-2: Mulled to 5 game one. thoughtsieze took the Days undoing in hand. Left with 2 lands and 2 fogs.
promptly wrecked.
Game 2 Didn't realize he was Green white.. lol Dromoka caught me off guard. Wrecked again.
Match 3: Atarka Red
2-0: Fog fog fog fog lol. discard all the days undoing. Reloading him was the downfall end of game 2 I had 1 Life he atarkaed Command me and +1/+1 Swung I fogged. then milled him haaaard.
Match 4: R/G Devotion (with ugin >.>)
Game 1: took 25-30 minuets Fog, Aetherspouts, Fog then he builds up to ALOT of mana. Free-cast Ugin (oh no..) Minus 3 took my 2 Dictates and Sphinx tutelage. Draw for turn. Orbs of warding. swwweeettt... Drop it. He Plus and shoots his own Polk. swings for 5 (i take 4)
Draw
card
land
pass
bolts polk,
Swings.
Draw land go.
He gots to -5 to get orbs. I don't move. he goes "oooohhhh noooo" gets rid of Xenogoas Poly and token.
Draws tutelage slams it pass. (he has like 4 cards left) Activates tutelage at the end of his turn mills win lol.
Game 2: he mulls to 5 One land with that. Nykthos plays it passes. God hand, 2 Tutelage lands fogs build up quick 3 Tutelage 3 Dictates of Kruphix treasure cruise gg bro.
3-1 over all. good Night sideboard needs work.
Current Sideboard:
3 Gaea's Revenge (might take these all completely)
2 Mizzium Meddler(try them never sided them)
3 Disdainful strokes
1 Clash of Wills
3 Unravel the Aether
3 Reality Shift
I have a friend who is DEEEP in to foils. Every modern deck done and foiled.
So Naturally he seen me play lantern and wanted to buy my stuff. ( I was hard for a job at the time) sold him my foil codex shredders and ghoul callers. he bought the
rest foil as well as the lantern of Insight (went to a GP with him, scoured the floor till we found 4, Near mint and beautiful. bought all for a total of 35 bucks)
Now I am getting back in the game for modern. I am rebuying all the cards from him. so I have a playset of Lanterns, codex, ghoulcallers, pithing needles, 1 foil glimmer void. thoughtseizes.
I did a GPT for Texas his past Saturday, I went to a sad 2-2 Finish.
He is a quick rundown of the matches.
Round 1: Storm (old school not Thing Ascension)
A Close friend of mine. He wanted to break out the ol' storm for a run around.
Game 1, I Tore his hand apart with a Thoughtseize 2 IOK's and a Brutality.
he recovered through a string of cantrips. Nothing much I could do after that.
SB: -3 Pithing Needle, - 1 Ensnaring Bridge
+2 Grafdiggers Cage +2 Pyroclasm
I start to take his hand apart, milling slowly. I get his wear/tear and mill enough I feel close to him fizzling. I stick Tezzeret and swing 5 and 10 at him. He cracks enough fetches to go to 1. with 8 cards left he turns 2 pyro on and floats 18 mana off of 2 pyrectics and kills me with a flash backed gutshot.
0-1
Game 2: Grixis Delver
Some guys came up from Little Rock, AR to play, real nice guys too.
He opens with a polluted, in to a Watery grave Sereum Visions.
I open with a IOK off a Blackcleave cliffs and take a Snapcaster.
he plays a Scalding Tarn leaving up a Watery Grave.
There is some chatter from him and is friend about me being on Jund. I smile as I play a Lanowar Waste.
"What?" Playing a thoughtseize to take a Kolghans Command (Yes) and then playing a lantern off the Lanowar waste.
"Oh!" Pass, he doesn't crack the tarn untaps draws passes. I draw a pithing needle and play it. I ask "does it resolve?" he says "yes", I name Scalding tarn he goes "response" going to crack the Tarn and reaches for the deck. I says quickly putting my hands up to stop him. "you can't respond to me naming" he looks confused. Call a judge it is confirmed that he can not. Slides the tarn to the side rather not happy about it. the game goes on where I lock him down he plays for about 15 minuets and concedes. His Friend being very impressed with the deck is like "well selling grixis delver for this deck"
Sideboard: -2 Pithing needles, -2 Ghoulcaller bell, -1 thought seize
IN:2 Grafdiggers cage, 3 Welding jar.
Reason for no Spellskite: I didn't see what else to cut with out lessening the over all strategy.
Game 2: Game grinds out one play my Opp plays a Overloaded Vandal blast I regen with a Welding jar.
Activate academy put welding jar on top. activate sea gate draw welding jar draw land for turn play jar. Ping with Aether grid for 1
take him to 2 end of his turn Sea Gate for a ghoul callers, draw a lantern of insight for the turn. Play both ping him on turn 4 of time.
1-1
Game 3: Abzan Midrange
Game 1: Grids my life points down as I don't have color mana. could no dump my hand quick enough and 8 lingering souls tokens
take me to town.
SB: I forget what I took out actually I had 3 hours of sleep so my memory is fuzzy. I think I remember Jars and spellskites going in.
Game 2: Pithing Liliana of the veil Opp hand 1 in hand and 1 on top. good call for me. Bridge on 2 Tezz on 3. +'s till tez minus to 1 doing 18 to my opp. He responds and nature claims the bridge which I jar puts him to 2. Find a Grid for turn and ping him twice.
Game 3: I punted a 5 card hand. no Lands but opal and jar in hand. 1 land or 1 0 drop gets me in. 23 possible targets. Does not connect. Lose hard.
1-2
Game 4: Mono Goblins.
Game 1: Bridge and Tezz take the game from turn 4 - 5 - 6. opp dead.
SB: -2 Thoughtseize -3 Pithing Needle +2 Pyro +3 Sun droplet
Game 2: Same thing. Tezz takes it Home.
2-2
Thanks for the reading I haven't touch the deck since 2 months after Zac Elisk took OKC. It is Good to be back with lanterns.
"Stay out of that personal space!"
Choices: So I was deciding what to do for the wincons of the deck. I love Pyrite but I feel like it is much to time for your Opp. to get out of it. Because it takes atleast 10 turns to do it So went with Aether grid. I had sword and thoper combo but it again 2 slow. It got dealt with very quickly as well. I traded it out for Tezz and infernal.
I like the way it is now. So I will continue with it until KLD comes out.
Decklist:
4 Mox Opal
4 Ancient Stirrings
4 Codex Shredder
4 Ghoulcaller's Bell
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Lantern of Insight
3 Pithing Needle
1 Pyxis of Pandemonium
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Thoughtseize
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Collective Brutality
1 Infernal Tutor
4 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Ghirapur AEther Grid
1 Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
Lands:17
2 Academy Ruins
2 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Copperline Gorge
1 Forest
2 Ghost Quarter
4 Glimmervoid
4 Llanowar Wastes
1 Sea Gate Wreckage
3 Spellskite
3 Welding Jar
2 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Pithing Needle
1 Ancient Grudge
2 Pyroclasm
3 Sun Droplet
Build it like U/R Mill was
1 Alhammarret's Archive
4 Radiant Flames
1 Dig Through Time
4 Magmatic Insight
1 Monastery Siege
2 Roast
2 Send to Sleep
4 Hedron Alignment
4 Tormenting Voice
4 Treasure Cruise
2 Displacement Wave
2 Flooded Strand
4 Island
5 Mountain
2 Smoldering Marsh
4 Shivan Reef
4 Swiftwater Cliffs
2 Wandering Fumarole
Fumarole is for early game to block all day.
U/R Mill was the best at drawing ALOT of cards as well as delving them away.
The budget is good for fnms and local trouny.
But if you wanna do GPS and iqs run the optimal list.
Might have to get you to sign my lanterns next gp lool
For tutelage yes basically unless you are playing the beatdown play as a back up (maybe Thassa). If we get Blood cheif acesnion in BFZ that would be sweet. But right now it is the wincon.
To answer it is hard to say. With those being removed it might seem grim. BUT we might get another howling mine/Fog from BFZ. we might even get Hedron crab
Now I don't really Agree with this. The abzan deck this past weekend does not rely just on the combo. It plays a Value Game with a combo on the side. Drawing a lot of cards off of sacing creatures with Grim Hex. and the turn you tap for for ANYTHING Could be a loss. if not, they value creature you. Raptor, Den protector Little hits to build and build. Life gain is rough for us. if we don't have any or a good wipe they will just tap us to death.
As well as if you mill them Mill them fast if not it will just speed them up on the value creatures.
a Sidenote: I got a foil Day's undoing last night
I went 1-3. a blast from the past R/g (crater's Claws)
and 2 control decks it was rough.
White possibly for Congregate and end Hostilities
Black for Infinite Obliteration Removal Spells
anyone else got any new info?
Clutch Counter spell when you need and since you are ramping catch them when needed
Playing Orb's of Warding? it is quite lovely. Thougthseize does nothing. and the Prevent 1 damage from things. so elvish Visionary/Mystic/dywen's Elite token
"It Do" lol
I am a fan of it. I will be testing it tonight. As well as maindecking 3 tormod's Crypts (abzan seems rough with Den protector)
This has been brought up and talked about.
it might "Undo" the mill you have but the deck seems to "almost" get there and jsut needs like 1 more turn before you die.
So if you can make it You Day's Undoing, Reload the fogs and chip away at them again. It is nothing but Upside. a Fresh 7, what ever you have in the field stays. Reload the Fogs, More draw cards and things.
Went 3-1 Last night for Wednesday night FNM.
Played the Stock List (61 Card) and a different Sideboard.
Match 1: Mono-white budget
(draft cards, Some rares Brimaz and citadel Siege)
2-0: quick game. fog fog fog. No sideboard needed really.
Match 2: Abzan Midrange
0-2: Mulled to 5 game one. thoughtsieze took the Days undoing in hand. Left with 2 lands and 2 fogs.
promptly wrecked.
Game 2 Didn't realize he was Green white.. lol Dromoka caught me off guard. Wrecked again.
Match 3: Atarka Red
2-0: Fog fog fog fog lol. discard all the days undoing. Reloading him was the downfall end of game 2 I had 1 Life he atarkaed Command me and +1/+1 Swung I fogged. then milled him haaaard.
Match 4: R/G Devotion (with ugin >.>)
Game 1: took 25-30 minuets Fog, Aetherspouts, Fog then he builds up to ALOT of mana. Free-cast Ugin (oh no..) Minus 3 took my 2 Dictates and Sphinx tutelage. Draw for turn. Orbs of warding. swwweeettt... Drop it. He Plus and shoots his own Polk. swings for 5 (i take 4)
Draw
card
land
pass
bolts polk,
Swings.
Draw land go.
He gots to -5 to get orbs. I don't move. he goes "oooohhhh noooo" gets rid of Xenogoas Poly and token.
Draws tutelage slams it pass. (he has like 4 cards left) Activates tutelage at the end of his turn mills win lol.
Game 2: he mulls to 5 One land with that. Nykthos plays it passes. God hand, 2 Tutelage lands fogs build up quick 3 Tutelage 3 Dictates of Kruphix treasure cruise gg bro.
3-1 over all. good Night sideboard needs work.
Current Sideboard:
3 Gaea's Revenge (might take these all completely)
2 Mizzium Meddler(try them never sided them)
3 Disdainful strokes
1 Clash of Wills
3 Unravel the Aether
3 Reality Shift
Going to Try: