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  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from Cody_X »
    It has a bunch of ramp (steve, khalni heart, farseek, prismatic omen, sometimes some board cards) but you should board out snare there.

    you would still side it out?
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from 0oSunnYo0 »
    Quote from axman »


    Yea that makes sense. In my opinion though dropping Ceremonious Rejection for Disdainful Stroke isn't a huge change.
    And thank you for the link! watching now.


    No worries! Disdainful stroke is good Vs. Valakut (Hits Scapeshift, PrimeTime, Chandra, Hour of Promise), which Ceremonious Rejection doesn't help us with.


    Yep. I get that :D. What do you think of Pia? What decks would you even side it in vs? 0_o
    I'm thinking I might replace elspeth with it though.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from 0oSunnYo0 »
    Post-Match interview with Harlan Firer:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO7RETOYtU0&index=26&list=PL5d1KNNFArSOF6O8dcPKOr0PZpH58rsqa

    His change was to drop all copies of Ceremonious Rejection. His justification was that he feels Eldrazi Tron is starting to get hated on by the format, and the decks that are preying on ETron are really good match-ups for Jeskai (the ones he names are Valakut and Storm). So instead of sideboarding FOR ETron he built his deck to beat a field looking to beat ETron!

    Valakut and Storm also have a plethora of targets for Spell Snare.


    Yea that makes sense. In my opinion though dropping Ceremonious Rejection for Disdainful Stroke isn't a huge change.
    And thank you for the link! watching now.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from 0oSunnYo0 »
    Quote from TheAller »
    On the other hand, a deck I think we can afford to "hope to dodge" is Dredge. To me, it doesn't see nearly enough play to warrant 3-4 of our sideboard slots for things like RIP or Relic. And even if it were to become more popular again, my first reaction would be 2x Anger of the Gods, not RIP.


    I agree with the first part - dredge is a deck you can realistically hope to dodge. I still wouldn't leave home without graveyard hate in the sideboard though, whether it is Relic or RIP, because I see a lot of living end and Gifts Ungiven where I play.

    If dredge was the only graveyard deck I saw every week then I would be happy enough with Anger of the Gods, but it's not unfortunately!

    By the way... and this may fuel the fire a bit more, but in his post-win interview at SCG Louisville, Harlan Firer said that our E-Tron match-up was bad enough for him to decide to remove all sideboard against it and hope to dodge it. Then he won the whole thing. But his list had a significantly better MU vs. Valakut thanks to the main-deck spell snares and sideboard disdainful strokes. He also packed relics in his sideboard. He obviously was hedging his bets hoping to dodge E-Tron but heavily reinforced his 75 against the other major players.


    Take this with a grain of salt... but Disdainful stroke is good vs Eldrazi Tron. I don't know what his sideboarding plan was, but it looks like he had several cards that could be good vs Eldrazi. Albit not specific. Didn't see that interview but seems kind of strange given his 75. Unless he is saying he didn't think specific hate was worth it (aka rejection). That would make more sense. And I would tend to agree.

    EDIT: Disdainful Stroke, Wear / Tear, Supreme Verdict, and even potentially Pia is good vs Eldrazi. Though those are not "specific" answers to Eldrazi.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    I think I might just stick with Elspeth. It's a game ender vs Edrazi. They only run x4 cards that can actually deal with it.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from deltaaccel »
    It's flexible enough, it can pick up creatures like Goblin Guide or Electromancer every now and then, and most importantly, Blood Moon.


    You should be, in most cases, able to play around blood moon anyways (unless its Ponza).
    I find it laughable and infuriating when Jund, Grixis, etc. try to bring Blood Moon vs us. 70-80% of the time it does not work. ._.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Weird question: why do most deck lists play one of celestial purge in the SB?
    Seems kind of weird with Liliana's seeing less play. What would you bring it in vs besides grixis death shadow?
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from TheAller »
    Quote from axman »
    Quote from djphan25 »
    Ajani is very good against burn for obv reasons but also great vs GDS..
    Its good to very good against gbx and UW.. its ok in jeskai mirror.. it also has value against most small creature matchups if youre in a controlling/burn shell...

    I also like blessed alliance esp if geist decks become popular and some titanshift lists have been running gaeas revenge in the board...


    I feel like I want my last sb slot to be something that would be good vs my worst matchups (eldrazi, scapeshift, etc.) but still have applications towards grindy matchups. I just don't know what that would be lol.


    I don't see why the big mana sideboard slots (E Tron, Valakut) should also help in grindy MUs. They're two different things. And my feeling is I can outgrind 90% of the format anyway when I'm playing this deck, and the benefit of adding something like Elspeth is very narrow, especially since she's not very good vs blue based control decks.

    All of that being said, you could go the Molten Rain/Surgical Extraction route. Molten Rain is fine in grindy MUs. Nice vs Valakut and Tron. But only decent vs Eldrazi Tron.

    I wouldn't mix these different sideboard slots. We have access to some very specific cards that are super efficient at doing what they do. These cards are Ceremonious Rejection, Spreading Seas, Shadow of Doubt, Disdainful Stroke and Counterflux. You should fight Eldrazi Tron and Valakut with some of these. Grindy MUs should be positive already, and can be improved with cards that we can use for other things as well, such as Supreme Verdict or Timely Reinforcements.

    Quote from djphan25 »
    the etron matchup is just difficult... i don't board for it specifically... it'll take mainboarding spreading seas and then boarding in another round of cards to make it viable and i just don't think it's worth it...


    Eldrazi Tron is tier 1. You can't afford that type of reasoning if you want to play in any relevant tournament. Maybe if you're lucky you don't have any E Tron pilot in your local store, but in any big event, you'll have to face them and if you're not prepared they will utterly crush you.


    I think I might just go with purge. Seems like most decks run one
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from djphan25 »
    the way to fight all those decks is very different... so there isn't a magic bullet vs all of them unless you side in blood moon...


    That's why I liked elspeth, because it was good vs both eldrazi and gbx (pretty much lights out).

    It yea it's so much mana : /.
    Maybe it's better to just have a one of purge
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from djphan25 »
    Ajani is very good against burn for obv reasons but also great vs GDS..
    Its good to very good against gbx and UW.. its ok in jeskai mirror.. it also has value against most small creature matchups if youre in a controlling/burn shell...

    I also like blessed alliance esp if geist decks become popular and some titanshift lists have been running gaeas revenge in the board...


    I feel like I want my last sb slot to be something that would be good vs my worst matchups (eldrazi, scapeshift, etc.) but still have applications towards grindy matchups. I just don't know what that would be lol.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from Cody_X »
    Yea, elspeth is good vs eldrazi tron, but its still a 6-mana sorcery thats primarily useful in a matchup we have better cards for.
    Not a big keranos fan either, but ajani is definitely one of the best walkers to play.
    TBH, I could even see playing a singleton nahiri, primarily for value/removal, and potential to bluff combo, but that seems kind of loose.


    Yea my options if I don't play elspeth are second supreme verdict, blessed alliance, ajani (which I'm not sure I like? not sure what decks I'd want it in vs), or second anger.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from Cody_X »
    Definitely don't like elspeth here. Ajani vengeant, 4 mana elspeth, 3/4/5 mana gideon, etc, all are generally better in jeskai, IMO. Ajani especially is quite good right now, I feel.


    It's also good vs Eldrazi Tron. But yes. Supreme Verdict might just be better at that point.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    So I revised my post-opt deck list. This 75 is exactly what I plan to bring to the fist modern event a week from Friday.
    Fixed the mana base a little bit (should be playing x2 hallow fountains in the current meta). I hope it lives up to my expectations haha. I am still not 100% certain on elspeth in the sb.

    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    What do you think of Pia in the decklist?
    I'm not even sure what deck you would bring it in vs.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Quote from chaos021 »
    Quote from axman »
    Quote from chaos021 »
    The really weird part is that there is a dedicated UWR Geist/midrange subforum. I'm not sure why that's sitting in Developing Competitive while this generic thread was bumped to tier 2.
    Quote from chaos021 »
    The really weird part is that there is a dedicated UWR Geist/midrange subforum. I'm not sure why that's sitting in Developing Competitive while this generic thread was bumped to tier 2.


    This thread was original jeskai nahiri (which was tier 1 for a bit)


    That doesn't explain why the deck that's largely responsible for Jeskai being relevant (based on tourney results) is still in Developing Conpetitive or why the thread that was dedicated to "control" got moved up.


    Not keeping things as updated. The entire tier system has been wacky ever since the main thread moderator left.

    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
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