I considered the possibility that Antny was a scum Toughguy, but killing mirror makes no sense from a scum perspective (unless he was hoping to skate to endgame on that claim, which I doubt), so I think he's safe to clear.
I guess that leaves Rhand and Shockwave. Let's do this.
I was actually pretty proud of how townie I looked this game.
You were pretty obviously scum to me around the Day we lynched Seppel, but Seppel flipping town threw a damper on my reads. The fact that you hadn't claimed up to endgame was a pretty solid point against you, IMO, and the fact that you were The Count was what put me back on to you - though I doubt anyone would have bought that argument. Either way, I couldn't climb out of the hole I was in without pushing a No Lynch and that would've still had dubious results at best, I'm sure.
Not thrilled with fade throwing the game after I asked him to consider my angle. Since when is asking someone to play the game thoroughly scummy?
I'm now having doubts about the last scum being Shockwave. I'm starting to want to lynch Karn again.
fadeblue, put yourself in my shoes for a moment. I know I can trust you because you haven't ended the game yet. Is the last scum Shockwave or Karn?
I'm paranoid because I've seen scum coast to endgame on the "look at how right I am" bravado that Karn is displaying now from busing, and it looks like Shockwave is actually trying to solve the game - though he could simply be frustrated that the final mislynch hasn't fallen yet.
Have you considered the possibility that the remaining 2 scum are both power roles?
If I Copped Kraj and he turned out to be scum, you wouldn't be criticizing my choice, would you?
I want to respond to the rest of your post but the scum need to not know who I'll be targeting. All I'll say is that Copping AE is a waste, and I can explain why when Day 4 rolls around if I'm still alive.
It seemed more important to me to save a shot for later in the game. I thought Antny was scum (and think AE is), so the fact that it looked like they were both trying to set me up to get lynched later on meant I had an ace in the hole for when they attempted to spring that on me. As it is, it looks like I have to reconsider my read on Antny, but my result for my final investigation should clear up a lot, presuming the scum don't know where to shoot.
Why would it? Karn has decided to brick wall us and Shockwave is scum. You're the only person I can hold any sway over in this situation since Karn evidently has not accepted my rebuttal to his points against me as reality, and your vote plus mine can't lynch Shockwave. As town, there is no point in my attempting to sway anybody but Karn in this scenario, and obviously I'd already be doing my damnedest to do so if I were actually scum - the fact that I've rebutted his case is sufficient for me, and I don't see you attempting to change his mind.
Again, do you want I should case Shockwave?
If absolutely necessary, I can say, "Let's No Lynch," which will put us in the exact same situation minus you on the next Day, given that you are currently the only non-Nny player alive who might vote for Shockwave (unless Shockwave wants to attempt to WIFOM us by killing Karn, but that would be silly as you are currently confirmed town).
I'm the lynch of the day? I'll be glad to hammer myself if the town will guarantee that Nny is lynched the following day without hesitation.
That's a trade I'm willing to make. Please do.
Sorry Nny we're lynching TMCT today. If I'm alive tomorrow I'll help put you into a nice position to self hammer though. Don't worry.
We should absolutely only be stringing up AE for this Day.
Given this statement I have no doubt your about to give me (and everyone else) a compelling set of reasons to lynch AE....
Apparently reading is hard. I'll case AE on Day 4 since we're less than 2 days away from deadline.
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I've already alluded to what led me to believe that AE/B_E was a dichotomy. Take a look at AE's language on Day 2 towards B_E.
Why should I bother? You want AE lynched - do something about it. I have no interest in listening to what you have to say unless your gonna make the effort to build a proper case.
I have built a case. You're evidently too dense to comprehend it.
Did you? I recall you disliking one post, then explaining it (after being pressured to do so) which then that came down to a whole load of nothing (seriously half your points where "did you reread?"). You can keep this crappy attitude (it seems ingrained in your personality) but if you want people to ever listen to you maybe cut out the lip and actually respond to points like an adult.
I can't say I enjoy being a broken record, because I really, really, don't. But your constant demand for me to repeat myself is making me into one, and that is likely why I'm treating you with such hostility. If you want me to engage you like a person, then stop doing exactly what I've asked you to stop doing. I apologize if I've been rude, but you've only been fanning the flames by insisting on antagonizing one of my pet peeves. If you want to start this conversation over on a more civil tone on Day 4, I'll be glad to (provided both of us are still around), but otherwise, I need to disengage from you or this can only escalate into a flame war.
@Nny - Are there any breadcrumbs for your ability?
Yeah.
I breadcrumbed my ability in #255. I set aside your post that looked like fishing separately in a link instead of a quote so that I could point to it later - I'm Walker, 2-Shot Cop.
I breadcrumbed that I investigated Kraj on Night 1 in post #538 when I was talking to AE. I thought Kraj was town on Day 1 and he's probably the most seasoned player in this game, so I wanted to find somebody I could trust for sure to buddy with on Day 2.
Plus we have 4 power roles and they have yet to be revealed having any?
I presume by "they" you mean the scum? While it's possible that there's falseclaiming scum amongst our power roles, given the limitations on our abilities in how many shots we have, I simply think it's more likely that the scum are amongst the vanilla claims.
@Nny: You do realize that you need both Karn and me to vote Shock? You don't seem particularly interested in trying to prove that case.
If I were the last member of the scum team, do you not think I'd be putting more effort into the game, seeing as I would only need one more mislynch to win at this point were that the case?
I think this clears Fade beyond any doubt. (Though I do remember FIGHTING bringing up during Day 1 the possibility of a Proph/Fade dichotomy based on following each other onto wagons to determine each others alignment's, or so one half claimed. Proph we now know is scum.)
How is the parenthetical notation relevant?
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Nny make your case and I'll try to answer you points as best as possible.
I genuinely do not feel the need to make a case on you. The fact that you felt the need to put a vote on Proph after he was lynched screams amateur scum to me.
I didn't have time to do any rereading over the weekend. However, Nny's silence and apparent indifference looks worse than Shock's voting record right now (and that's pretty much the only point against Shock).
I suppose I can just vote Nny and get this over with.
Again, I ask: Do you not think I would be more motivated to push Shockwave if I were the last scum?
If you really need me to case Shockwave for you to not throw this game away, I can. But it's absolutely not necessary, in my opinion, and you and Karn can save yourselves the trouble of looking like you don't know what you're doing (barring the off chance that Karn is the last scum) in the post-game by lynching Shockwave.
Frankly, I'm baffled that my activity (which I've said at least once before is due to my workload) appears to be holding any sway on your opinion of my alignment. The indifference in this scenario should make it evident that I'm not desperate to get a non-Nny player lynched, which is what I imagine the last scum would be doing in this situation - namely Shockwave, whose language on the last page or two is very clearly nervous.
Nny, what do you think of Antny and AE's block-voting on Rhand and mirror, with Antny second on one wagon and AE second on the other? Does that make it less likely that they're scumbuddies in your eyes?
Not really, no.
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Now assume I'm town: if only one of Antny and AE is scum, and I'm town, who do you think the last scum is?
I think that would be contingent on whether or not Shockwave can prove his ability and what Rhand's claim is.
So why bother putting me on the backburner if I was a single flip away from being your one and only scumread (and thus the only thing you would have bothered focusing on today). And why say AE is oozing scum when you were one flip away from townclearing him.
I think someone forgot that town players didn't know BE was gonna flip town.
I don't understand anything you're trying to say, here.
It really can't be clearer unless you want me to get really patronising.
By all means.
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I've already alluded to what led me to believe that AE/B_E was a dichotomy. Take a look at AE's language on Day 2 towards B_E.
Why should I bother? You want AE lynched - do something about it. I have no interest in listening to what you have to say unless your gonna make the effort to build a proper case.
I have built a case. You're evidently too dense to comprehend it.
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Nope still not right. Let's follow your thinking at the end of yesterday:
BE flips scum => I'm the last scum => TMCT is town.
BE flips town => AE/Antny scumteam => TMCT is town.
The fact is the dichotomy between AE/BE does not affect your read on TMCT. If he was a leaning scumread yesterDay he should be one toDay and you should be pursuing him. There's nothing that's happened since your t/s that should have changed your read on him.
...and in the event that you happen to flip town (unlikely at this juncture), I would readjust my sights to TMCT. I'm not sure what's so hard for you to understand about that.
Nope the question was about how the AE/BE dichotomy affected your TMCT read. DCIII has already pointed out how phony these reads of yours were anyway. Frankly I'm tired of having to deal with another rude remark every time I expose another scummy piece of behaviour.
If you're tired of my remarks, then stop engaging me to repeat my thoughts when I've already made them clear. If you read my above quote, you will see very clearly what my opinion on TMCT is and how it's affected by AE/BE. I really think you're just mad because you can't spin what I'm saying hard enough to convince everyone to mislynch me.
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Please roll over and die in the context of the game.
I guess hoping I'll suicide is pretty much your only possible winning scenario at this point.
If by "winning scenario", you mean "possible situation in which I retain my sanity and competence from having engaged with you so pointlessly on a repeated basis by the end of the game", I agree completely.
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Care to share these contingency plans. How about what you would do next if AE were lynched and flipped town toDay?
It's like you're taking my posts, finding anything you can in them to twist against me, and then ignoring the context or content of anything that was previously said in them.
That was what we call a question.
It's actually a question I could ask a town player as much as scum. Of course a town player would simply answer the question rather that attack and falsely accuse the questioner of trying to twist their words.
Except you are twisting my words. Next.
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Also, the "sorta" that follows this is completely insincere and supports my above statement.
I'll get to giving you town-Rhand reasoning once I get to the more important things (namely taking a look at Void and another look at ME).
We haven't had much reason for TMCT to change this. His VCA seems to mostly target other players (except for the case where we get a Nny-Antny-Void scumteam apparently). I think he's trying hard not to shine a light on his scumbuddy.
I don't like that you misattributed this quote to me.
An error with quote tags. Even more desperate than the last attack.
I think he's playing the "it's okay if you lynch me" card but, at first, he really just made a case on Shockwave, backed off right away (after exposing a PR), and then appeared ready to throw his hands up and say he didn't know where else to go (without offering any additional reads).
After more pressure there, he started digging in again and giving more info - but I get the impression that he's scrambling to find a read just to take the pressure off of him all the while not appearing overly concerned if he were to be lynched.
This whole exchange with Antny appears to be indignant Town (Antny) and controlled and probing Scum (TMCT) to me.
I'm fine with letting him put more content out for analysis in the off chance that he does flip Town or to try to sift through the WIFOM if he doesn't, but my vote is going to stay.
If there's scum between Antny and TMCT, it's definitely Antny. Not to say TMCT isn't scum - I would simply much prefer an Antny lynch.
Good luck with that. I'm sure you'll win over others with your sparkling personality and won't ever have to bother building a case against me.
I'm quite certain I've built a case against you and that almost every post you make keeps stacking on to that as I continue to debunk your garbage and point out the inconsistencies and scumminess of your stances. So, yes, my sparkling personality will most certainly prevail.
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I'm definitely not in favor of a massclaim if Antny is in favor.
Alright, well AE starting the claim put us at four votes for a massclaim so that's a majority.
Nny
Antny
DCIII
Rhand
Shock
As the remaining order?
This massclaim is absolute garbage.
I'm a Walker and a power role. That's all I'm going to claim. I'm not going to draw a larger target on myself since we're apparently keeping both Antny and AE alive for the Day - they don't need to know when I need to be killed.
Shame on all of you for letting this claim go through.
I guess that leaves Rhand and Shockwave. Let's do this.
Vote Rhand
Anyway, TMCT is town, so someone's running a gambit.
Let's not be hasty about this. We have 2 lynches to figure this out.
You were pretty obviously scum to me around the Day we lynched Seppel, but Seppel flipping town threw a damper on my reads. The fact that you hadn't claimed up to endgame was a pretty solid point against you, IMO, and the fact that you were The Count was what put me back on to you - though I doubt anyone would have bought that argument. Either way, I couldn't climb out of the hole I was in without pushing a No Lynch and that would've still had dubious results at best, I'm sure.
Not thrilled with fade throwing the game after I asked him to consider my angle. Since when is asking someone to play the game thoroughly scummy?
I'm Rosita, Town Vanilla.
I'm now having doubts about the last scum being Shockwave. I'm starting to want to lynch Karn again.
fadeblue, put yourself in my shoes for a moment. I know I can trust you because you haven't ended the game yet. Is the last scum Shockwave or Karn?
I'm paranoid because I've seen scum coast to endgame on the "look at how right I am" bravado that Karn is displaying now from busing, and it looks like Shockwave is actually trying to solve the game - though he could simply be frustrated that the final mislynch hasn't fallen yet.
You're experienced. What do you think?
AsianInvasion's 300 Mafia had a Town 1-Shot Bulletproof and a Town Doctor.
Let's lynch AE.
If I Copped Kraj and he turned out to be scum, you wouldn't be criticizing my choice, would you?
I want to respond to the rest of your post but the scum need to not know who I'll be targeting. All I'll say is that Copping AE is a waste, and I can explain why when Day 4 rolls around if I'm still alive.
It seemed more important to me to save a shot for later in the game. I thought Antny was scum (and think AE is), so the fact that it looked like they were both trying to set me up to get lynched later on meant I had an ace in the hole for when they attempted to spring that on me. As it is, it looks like I have to reconsider my read on Antny, but my result for my final investigation should clear up a lot, presuming the scum don't know where to shoot.
Again, do you want I should case Shockwave?
If absolutely necessary, I can say, "Let's No Lynch," which will put us in the exact same situation minus you on the next Day, given that you are currently the only non-Nny player alive who might vote for Shockwave (unless Shockwave wants to attempt to WIFOM us by killing Karn, but that would be silly as you are currently confirmed town).
When's the last time you saw a Basic with the scum having Daytalk?
I can't say I'm thrilled you're claiming this.
I guess I need to look elsewhere after we lynch AE.
Um?
You have some explaining to do.
Apparently reading is hard. I'll case AE on Day 4 since we're less than 2 days away from deadline.
I can't say I enjoy being a broken record, because I really, really, don't. But your constant demand for me to repeat myself is making me into one, and that is likely why I'm treating you with such hostility. If you want me to engage you like a person, then stop doing exactly what I've asked you to stop doing. I apologize if I've been rude, but you've only been fanning the flames by insisting on antagonizing one of my pet peeves. If you want to start this conversation over on a more civil tone on Day 4, I'll be glad to (provided both of us are still around), but otherwise, I need to disengage from you or this can only escalate into a flame war.
Hm.
Yeah.
I breadcrumbed my ability in #255. I set aside your post that looked like fishing separately in a link instead of a quote so that I could point to it later - I'm Walker, 2-Shot Cop.
I breadcrumbed that I investigated Kraj on Night 1 in post #538 when I was talking to AE. I thought Kraj was town on Day 1 and he's probably the most seasoned player in this game, so I wanted to find somebody I could trust for sure to buddy with on Day 2.
I haven't used my second shot yet.
I presume by "they" you mean the scum? While it's possible that there's falseclaiming scum amongst our power roles, given the limitations on our abilities in how many shots we have, I simply think it's more likely that the scum are amongst the vanilla claims.
Jury's out on that. Antny has obviously proven his ability. I'm not going to elaborate further as it will minimize my own effectiveness for the Night.
If I were the last member of the scum team, do you not think I'd be putting more effort into the game, seeing as I would only need one more mislynch to win at this point were that the case?
How is the parenthetical notation relevant?
I genuinely do not feel the need to make a case on you. The fact that you felt the need to put a vote on Proph after he was lynched screams amateur scum to me.
I'm boredobvtown, you're taking up space, fade is busyconfirmedtown, and Shockwave is pretty clearly the last scum.
Sup with you?
Again, I ask: Do you not think I would be more motivated to push Shockwave if I were the last scum?
If you really need me to case Shockwave for you to not throw this game away, I can. But it's absolutely not necessary, in my opinion, and you and Karn can save yourselves the trouble of looking like you don't know what you're doing (barring the off chance that Karn is the last scum) in the post-game by lynching Shockwave.
Frankly, I'm baffled that my activity (which I've said at least once before is due to my workload) appears to be holding any sway on your opinion of my alignment. The indifference in this scenario should make it evident that I'm not desperate to get a non-Nny player lynched, which is what I imagine the last scum would be doing in this situation - namely Shockwave, whose language on the last page or two is very clearly nervous.
Not really, no.
I think that would be contingent on whether or not Shockwave can prove his ability and what Rhand's claim is.
Good plan, my mistake.
We should absolutely only be stringing up AE for this Day.
By all means.
I have built a case. You're evidently too dense to comprehend it.
If you're tired of my remarks, then stop engaging me to repeat my thoughts when I've already made them clear. If you read my above quote, you will see very clearly what my opinion on TMCT is and how it's affected by AE/BE. I really think you're just mad because you can't spin what I'm saying hard enough to convince everyone to mislynch me.
If by "winning scenario", you mean "possible situation in which I retain my sanity and competence from having engaged with you so pointlessly on a repeated basis by the end of the game", I agree completely.
Except you are twisting my words. Next.
Then clearly it's a bad post.
...or more twisting on your behalf.
Sorry, I speak English. Can you try to form that into a more comprehensive statement for me?
Compelling rebuttal.
I'm quite certain I've built a case against you and that almost every post you make keeps stacking on to that as I continue to debunk your garbage and point out the inconsistencies and scumminess of your stances. So, yes, my sparkling personality will most certainly prevail.
Because you're scum.
This massclaim is absolute garbage.
I'm a Walker and a power role. That's all I'm going to claim. I'm not going to draw a larger target on myself since we're apparently keeping both Antny and AE alive for the Day - they don't need to know when I need to be killed.
Shame on all of you for letting this claim go through.
Working on a post now.
I've sufficiently responded to all accusations levied against myself.
He had had absolutely no presence in the game up to that point, so he didn't register as a player in this game to me.