It depends what you define as tool, since a question seems like a reasonable tool to use to me. I don't see how it's productive to try to force people to vote when their not ready. Surely that's more likely to just lead to the wrong player being lynched.
Nonsense. A vote on a player is not a lynch of a player.
Voting adds pressure to questioning and is useful.
Not voting is avoiding to step on toes which is scummy.
One vote is not a lynch but multiple votes can be and you were pushing for the latter.
I disagree with the last statement as well for reasons I feel I've gone over enough. It is funny to note though I seemed to have stepped on your toes simply through raising suspicions and not voting.
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I am not singling you out. I am suspicious of Nny and BE as well and I have outed that.
Your vote is awful and your mindset is scummy.
According to you town should not:
* Pressure with votes
* Pursue people that haven't been pursued by others
Which are the two main ways to succesfully find scum until one is pegged sure enough to go to lynch.
1) Firstly the vote is singling me out. You may have suspicions of Nny and BE but you say you want me dead unlike the other two.
2) You've taken the position that voting was the only tool available to you at the time hence your vote was a sign you're town and everyone who didn't vote was scum. I disagreed with this logic. This wasn't me saying that we shouldn't vote at all but that pressure can be achieved without votes.
3) Is anyone actually suggesting you shouldn't pursue people who haven't been pursued by others?
Me feelings are still the same, your attacking me because you perceive me as an easy target and your looking to deflect attention away from yourself. You don't seem to be presenting any real reason why your not scum yourself.
The bolded: show me how i was pushing for a wagon to try to get him lynched.
1) I want my prime scumreads lynched. That happen to be TMCT and you.
2) voting helps with scumhunting. If you don't agree with me, you should start reading mafia theory. It is town's strongest tool because it is how we ultimately kill scum.
3) you seem to be telling me that I should join existing wagons instead of exploring new leads?
Why would i see you as an easy target? Do you think TMCT is an easy target as well?
Are you really saying that i should be making towncases for myself?
What's not to like about this claim. He's clearly saying he's a walker. You were trying to get a wagon going over semantics. Not something a townie would do. A scum reaching for anything to grasp onto, now that's something they would do.
But now you have to tell me. How was it clear in ME's post?
It was clear in ME's post because he was talking about the flavor of his rolename.
That was not the impression i got from BE.
You are reaching here. I added my vote to the remark so that BE would be pressured to respond to it. You make it seem as if I was trying to get him lynched over 1 sentence. That isn't true.
Yeh I totally messed up at one point. It was the adrenaline of Arian almost being lynched to get cleared by Azrael. It made my brain stop working
Seppel thinking I was cleared for not hammering saved my ass there.
I am flabbergasted that I won this btw.
When I replaced in I knew i was scum before I got my PM and just wanted to do TMCT a favor to get his game to continue.
I never expected to turn it around.
Lynching the neutrals was a plan I kept in the back of my mind if Seppel would continue pushing me.
@Seppel: did I fool you or did you go for the win with scum?
yeh sorry about the long post. I'll try to keep them smaller.
My vote was on BE because he needed pressure. He answered well so I take it off.
If you think 'I want out' because you're reacting on it then you're wrong AE.
You're calling all votes on BE terrible, but what TMCT did was as good as a vote.
You excuse him because it seems 'genuine'. I disagree 100%: TMCT should know very well what people answered to his question. After all, he is 'hunting scum' with it. Which he isn't. It's all a facade.
TMCT must die. But Antny as well.
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It depends what you define as tool, since a question seems like a reasonable tool to use to me. I don't see how it's productive to try to force people to vote when their not ready. Surely that's more likely to just lead to the wrong player being lynched.
Nonsense. A vote on a player is not a lynch of a player.
Voting adds pressure to questioning and is useful.
Not voting is avoiding to step on toes which is scummy.
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The reason I didn't straight up vote for you before was because suspicions didn't mean I thought you were Mafioso. It does now strike me as odd that there are multiple people without votes in this thread in this thread and you have gone after another new player - the second time you've done this, this game.
vote Rhand
I am not singling you out. I am suspicious of Nny and BE as well and I have outed that.
Your vote is awful and your mindset is scummy.
According to you town should not:
* Pressure with votes
* Pursue people that haven't been pursued by others
Which are the two main ways to succesfully find scum until one is pegged sure enough to go to lynch.
I never saw the god in play. It seemed like a bomb but was in fact very disappointing in play.
I couldn't resist the shaman I knew it wasn't the correct pick, but after the god and so early in the draft I wanted to give it a shot.
In the games, I always had 1-2 minotaurs so he did good work.
P1P3: I love griptide. I maybe undervalue Tormented Hero, but passing a griptide for it so early just seemed wrong.
Shockwave, is that a serious vote or are you RVSing?
Steamflogger Joss is the new Cyan.
ME's post makes sense in the context she wrote it in.
DCIII did capitalize the "W" and his infamous 'townslip' post clears him for me.
What do you think of TMCT's reaction to me making this post?
Hello all. So, there is a case on me. Based around the facts that
1: I didn't randomly vote. I'm sorry, if that is a scum tell, I will randomly vote from now on. However I didn't see what randomly voting could add really.
2: I referred to myself as a walker not Walker. Erm, it said there was more than one walker. There would be. I just referred to myself as one of them, as did two other people.
Have I sufficiently explained?
1: it is often a scumtell because people who avoid randomly voting are often afraid to step on toes, which is very much a scumtell.
RVS means 'Random Voting Stage'. Random voting is what you do in RVS.
2: that's the explanation I was looking for. It was clear in ME's post, not in yours.
Also, if you haven't seen the Bad Lip Reading of Walking Dead on YouTube, you should.
So long for your suspicion of Burning_Earth?
I'm liking you for scum at this point.
Please elaborate. It'll help me form my opinion on you.
This quote got a little messed up because it's part of a snipped quote from TMCT. The question was directed at him.
I don't like how he barns me on Burning_Earth being scum and when he asks you for an opinion right after, he only does so on ME and not on Burning_Earth.
@Kraj, TMCT - Basically all I was saying was I'm giving the mafia the benefit of doubt of spotting that all players are Walker in the pregame posts and therefore the first nine will all say Walker (mostly on the back of TMCT first post asking everyone to declare town which is fairly pointless) leaving the last three to show up being the ones 'not Walker'. It wasn't a serious post. I guess in hindsight it could have worked but I'm not convinced that the odd a walker over Walker (BE wasn't the only one to do this btw) indicates scum at this time.
I have a problem with this explanation (other than the fact that it doesn't make any sense). Can anyone spot it?
Yeh, could be a warning to his buddies not to do it wrong.
Also, if you haven't seen the Bad Lip Reading of Walking Dead on YouTube, you should.
I should probably get around to watching Walking Dead first. Soon. What are your thoughts on mirrorentity?
So long for your suspicion of Burning_Earth?
I'm liking you for scum at this point.
OK, I think you have accidentally quoted the wrong part of Kraj's post here but you seem to be saying he should go after BE, for reasons different to yours (he didn't seem make any claim the whole walker thing) when he never said he had a clear belief he was mafia and only that he didn't like him not posting. There wasn't any suspicion at all as far as I could tell.
I'm in no rush to put a vote down yet but I am interested in getting some answers.
It was a quote from TMCT from a post that I cut into pieces so that I could react to it part by part.
What I was saying is that TMCT barns me on BE but immediately drops that suspicion when asking Kraj for an opinion on ME.
I fixed the quote.
The reason I immediately voted instead of only asking for clarification is because voting is our only tool during the Day and it should be used.
I am not liking how you are avoiding that.
@AG: Dkings creates 2 of those dichotomies: one with Iso and one with Shockwave:
Shockwave because their abilities cost the same and ultimately have the same effect (although if you compare with MTG it's the same difference as 'gain one life' and 'prevent one damage'. Donating a muffin can enable an action that could not be taken otherwise while not eating one only helps to not starve)
Iso because their abilities do the same while their activation cost is different.
If Dkings flips town, neither of them makes 100% sense as town, but one probably is unless we have a gambitting scum among them that is lying about his ability.
So a question for you: do you think Iso and Dkings can be town together?
@AE: you see me in thread because I read on the phone.
When there's too much to respond to, I wait until I am on a pc because quoting is hell on the phone
@everyone: I will respond to everything when I am on a pc.
Does anyone else hate the new iOS?
The bolded: show me how i was pushing for a wagon to try to get him lynched.
1) I want my prime scumreads lynched. That happen to be TMCT and you.
2) voting helps with scumhunting. If you don't agree with me, you should start reading mafia theory. It is town's strongest tool because it is how we ultimately kill scum.
3) you seem to be telling me that I should join existing wagons instead of exploring new leads?
Why would i see you as an easy target? Do you think TMCT is an easy target as well?
Are you really saying that i should be making towncases for myself?
It was clear in ME's post because he was talking about the flavor of his rolename.
That was not the impression i got from BE.
You are reaching here. I added my vote to the remark so that BE would be pressured to respond to it. You make it seem as if I was trying to get him lynched over 1 sentence. That isn't true.
Seppel thinking I was cleared for not hammering saved my ass there.
When I replaced in I knew i was scum before I got my PM and just wanted to do TMCT a favor to get his game to continue.
I never expected to turn it around.
@Seppel: did I fool you or did you go for the win with scum?
You were all over me before he answered me.
Do you see how TMCT skipped over my attack on him?
That's because i didn't add the vote.
My vote was on BE because he needed pressure. He answered well so I take it off.
If you think 'I want out' because you're reacting on it then you're wrong AE.
You're calling all votes on BE terrible, but what TMCT did was as good as a vote.
You excuse him because it seems 'genuine'. I disagree 100%: TMCT should know very well what people answered to his question. After all, he is 'hunting scum' with it. Which he isn't. It's all a facade.
TMCT must die. But Antny as well.
Nonsense. A vote on a player is not a lynch of a player.
Voting adds pressure to questioning and is useful.
Not voting is avoiding to step on toes which is scummy.
I am not singling you out. I am suspicious of Nny and BE as well and I have outed that.
Your vote is awful and your mindset is scummy.
According to you town should not:
* Pressure with votes
* Pursue people that haven't been pursued by others
Which are the two main ways to succesfully find scum until one is pegged sure enough to go to lynch.
I couldn't resist the shaman
In the games, I always had 1-2 minotaurs so he did good work.
P1P3: I love griptide. I maybe undervalue Tormented Hero, but passing a griptide for it so early just seemed wrong.
ME's post makes sense in the context she wrote it in.
DCIII did capitalize the "W" and his infamous 'townslip' post clears him for me.
What do you think of TMCT's reaction to me making this post?
1: it is often a scumtell because people who avoid randomly voting are often afraid to step on toes, which is very much a scumtell.
RVS means 'Random Voting Stage'. Random voting is what you do in RVS.
2: that's the explanation I was looking for. It was clear in ME's post, not in yours.
unvote Burning_Earth
This quote got a little messed up because it's part of a snipped quote from TMCT. The question was directed at him.
I don't like how he barns me on Burning_Earth being scum and when he asks you for an opinion right after, he only does so on ME and not on Burning_Earth.
Yeh, could be a warning to his buddies not to do it wrong.
It was a quote from TMCT from a post that I cut into pieces so that I could react to it part by part.
What I was saying is that TMCT barns me on BE but immediately drops that suspicion when asking Kraj for an opinion on ME.
I fixed the quote.
The reason I immediately voted instead of only asking for clarification is because voting is our only tool during the Day and it should be used.
I am not liking how you are avoiding that.
vote: Antny
Shockwave because their abilities cost the same and ultimately have the same effect (although if you compare with MTG it's the same difference as 'gain one life' and 'prevent one damage'. Donating a muffin can enable an action that could not be taken otherwise while not eating one only helps to not starve)
Iso because their abilities do the same while their activation cost is different.
If Dkings flips town, neither of them makes 100% sense as town, but one probably is unless we have a gambitting scum among them that is lying about his ability.
So a question for you: do you think Iso and Dkings can be town together?
When there's too much to respond to, I wait until I am on a pc because quoting is hell on the phone
@everyone: I will respond to everything when I am on a pc.
I should have time for a reread tomorrow.