@Eco: you’re over-analysing my readslist. It’s all leans. I don’t have solid reads.
I know I tend to come across more sure than I am, but not even Vaimes is a solid read. It’s a push worth pushing and I think I’m onto something with him pushing me for having 2 scumleans that can’t be scum together. But now I read your Vaimes read and building a world is apparently what he does on Day 1? He’s experienced, he shouldn’t project his own play on how I play, but if that’s how he thinks everyone should play... maybe I’m wrong. I have to reread him.
You basically parroted my Sloth and Axel reads. And we agree on Jackrito. Your read on me is just paranoia I think? I don’t get how you came to this conclusion. Are you consciously trying to not allow any omgus on your reads? Why would you do that? Self-wagon-analysis is a strong tool. You seem to want all of your voters to be town. Why?
I'm going to give people a bit more time to see the light and vote you though. And reread Sloth.
Have you had a chance to do this yet? What exactly is it that pinging people with Sloth? His activity for this ones been a bit lacking but nothing really has seized me as scummy
Given his postcount, his content is extremely low.
There's a decent question here and there, but what he is not doing is explaining his scumreads (me I guess if that vote is even serious and Vaimes).
I have no idea if he thinks hiding his raisins like that is a master town ploy or if he just doesn't have any.
Some pressure that way is a good thing. He should start talking.
I don't care so much about the list itself, rather that you think it's okay to disregard town!Axelrod worlds even though that is a world you are very much pushing, right this very second, with your vote on me. You said so yourself.
I don’t do conscious pre-flip world building unless something jumps out at me on Day 1. I take note of unalignments and possible buddy stuff, sure. But before I see a flip I’m not clearing / condemning people by association.
Day 1 is about finding the scummiest player to lynch and once we get bodies, the game of association starts.
Yes, you should, because otherwise it looks like you’re trying to keep both options open.
Naturally, if you’re right and I am scum, Axelrod is unlikely to be my partner, so he should by definition be a townread. But you don’t have him as a townread right now.
You can always hypothetically move him down later if I flip town.
He gives off scummy vibes so he's a lean scum. I won't artificially change my readslist because my scum leans don't match in teams.
And I don't understand why you're pushing that as something suspicious.
All the one-hit wonders: it's about time to commit to something realistic, unless you really want to bring the pain.
If I had to choose between Eco and Sloth, I would vote Sloth. I don't believe the Eco wagon is pure.
I'm going to give people a bit more time to see the light and vote you though. And reread Sloth.
I think if a community decided to massively sign up here in a game and take over the meta, we automatically would resist that. It’s not a very good idea
Voxx is a better point of contact with MU than I am; I don't have a lot of real clout there other than by association with him lol. I've talked to Amy, Newcomb, and a few others during Champs but I'm not really a regular.
He's also, you know, actually a mod there
I know. But he hasn’t played here since... game of thrones I think?
My stance on MU: I think going for the long queue thing only means we lose our identity.
We need the partner community there if we go for it.
And those of us interested join walruses, a mafia game here and there, some other forum fun and discord activity just so people know we exist and might venture to our community there to try a game.
We can host a game on the main site once in a while to get us known. But not as a main thing.
The partner community should be priority #1 and everything else is secondary if our hosts / players have excess energy.
If we try to go for main site long queues and our community combined, our hosts will burn out. And if we go for integration in the main site with long queues, our identity is gone.
Ok, so does someone want to touch base with MU and gather some facts on how this would work, if everything's the same as from 3 years ago?
I guess I could if we have a good talk about what to ask. But I think Silver is our best person there from how I’ve seen our interactions with the community.
I have a few connections and a tiny bit of a name thanks to the championship, but Silver has a lot more clout.
Called it. Now I gotta find a nice stinky latrine.
What do you mean you "approve of Eco's posts towards igno"? You think it'll lead somewhere important?
I don't think it will lead anywhere at this stage, but at the time I think it was a natural thing to pursue.
I really like Eco's interactions with Lagoon through page 6.
Rhand's recap in 271 is good. Though seeing he had me at lean scum there the flip to me leaning town I asked him about in the future is very interesting.
How on earth did you arrive at me leaning scum on you??
In conclusion, I’m not shocked at the vote, but I am mildly surprised at the complete opposite worldview. That seems more like a calculated move, to be honest, unless one of us is just having a bad game.
I mean, some of us have to having a bad game because we can't all be right. Why do you think mafia-Rhand would drop a totally opposite world view to push you when he could easily have made something less controversial?
@Rhand: Why did you choose to vote gooLagoon over TerRaine and Jackrito who already have votes on and are (at least marginally) more realistic wagons?
Because he’s my strongest read. I wasn’t looking at wagons when I voted. And I don’t care at this point really.
I think I said twice that I don’t think you and Axel are scum together? Why would you pick that out?
@Grape: you’re a total gut read.
Because I want to know which one you think is most likely, and have your reads reflect that. That you’re leaving both of us in your scumpile is pretty lazy, and very easy to shift into “oh whoops Lagoon flipped town I guess Axelrod was the more likely scum after all” in the imaginary wacko world where you do get me voted out.
You obviously, I am voting you. Are you saying I should artificially push Axel in a better category because I am scum reading you?
I know you’re better than thinking townclearing people because they don’t match an early scumread is what I should be doing.
So I’m TMI’ing that Axelrod is a villager? But he’s buddying me? And you’re right, “Rhand is a weak scumread that I’d rather figure out” isn’t a stance, it’s a read in motion. I think that’s a more productive use of my time rather than parking my vote on Ecophagy or Highroller.
In conclusion, I’m not shocked at the vote, but I am mildly surprised at the complete opposite worldview. That seems more like a calculated move, to be honest, unless one of us is just having a bad game.
I think I said twice that I don’t think you and Axel are scum together? Why would you pick that out?
Other general, scattered thoughts [mostly from this page]--
Maintaining my TerRaine townread. Based off memory alone, she's one of the few trying to squeeze content out of this gif-infested thread.
Highroller/Ecophagy/Rhand team? A little less sure on Rhand, because no one has really been attacked for the naked vote there.
I neither like nor believe Highroller's vote on TerRaine. Lots of charged and overly-dramatic language, which makes me doubt that Highroller doesn't know Ecophagy's alignment.
I think Jackrito is town. His early rambly wall feels genuine, and he's already sticking his neck out more than he did in his last scumgame. That Ecophagy was calling people out for liking Jackrito makes me even more sure he's town. Small nitpick, but I could see a world where scum!Jackrito is buddying me due to my claim, but other slots' reactions to Jackrito makes me doubt that world.
I don't think I have any stronger opinions elsewhere. I'd like to see more serious reads/votes/content from Slothful and Grapefruit. Axelrod gets a minor pass from me because I never know how to townread his Day 1 play.
This post keeps bugging me. Not just that word “townread”, which following his explanation should still be “read”; it seems like he knows Axel is town and is looking for a reason to start townreading him.
But also that Jackrito read. That Jackrito post had way too much suspicion in it for the content that was in thread at that point. I don’t understand how you can arrive to a town clear there.
Same for ZDS and Axel to a degree, but Vaimes goes for a town clear here, which is very premature.
Axel just agreeing with Vaimes’ readslist without adding any input feels like buddying. Axel/Vaimes not a thing probably because just quoting a buddy’s readslist and saying “I agree” seems like something mafia doesn’t do.
I think Eco and KJ are town. Eco has thought processes that are easy to follow and make a lot of sense.
And KJ is doing his usual thing where he questions everything.
Is he scum because you're townreading Ter and he's voting him? And I wouldn't be surprised if the overly dramatic language is just how he talks. He's made one post that fits that description so far.
You think he's chainsawing Eco?
A little of A, a little of B.
I think he's scum because his view of her play feels incredibly warped, and I don't like how uber-protective of Ecophagy he is. It does not look like it's coming from an early Day 1 villager.
Even though I have stronger scumreads on him and Ecophagy, I'd like to tease out Rhand's alignment. I don't really buy the "boo hoo I don't know what to do" song and dance from him. He can do literally anything to throw people in a tizzy and get content going. Right now he can comment on Jackrito's wall, Highroller's vote and defense + TerRaine's response, ZDS' general mannerisms, my claim and reads, and so on.
I did do things to get content going. I made people talk about me. With lack of other reads, getting people to talk about myself is the best way to get reads on them.
And I can tell you I don’t like your approach. You’re taking the easy route here, throwing me into your suspicions without taking a real stance. But while you say I am not your strongest read, you are not voting the ones that are.
I’m also having problems with Terraine because her whole worldview is more or less mine reversed. And her reaction to me is bad in a similar way as Vaimes’ is.
I’m running out of time, my train is going to arrive soon.
I know I tend to come across more sure than I am, but not even Vaimes is a solid read. It’s a push worth pushing and I think I’m onto something with him pushing me for having 2 scumleans that can’t be scum together. But now I read your Vaimes read and building a world is apparently what he does on Day 1? He’s experienced, he shouldn’t project his own play on how I play, but if that’s how he thinks everyone should play... maybe I’m wrong. I have to reread him.
You basically parroted my Sloth and Axel reads. And we agree on Jackrito. Your read on me is just paranoia I think? I don’t get how you came to this conclusion. Are you consciously trying to not allow any omgus on your reads? Why would you do that? Self-wagon-analysis is a strong tool. You seem to want all of your voters to be town. Why?
Given his postcount, his content is extremely low.
There's a decent question here and there, but what he is not doing is explaining his scumreads (me I guess if that vote is even serious and Vaimes).
I have no idea if he thinks hiding his raisins like that is a master town ploy or if he just doesn't have any.
Some pressure that way is a good thing. He should start talking.
Obvious buddy interactions. That leads to a pair of suspects instead of one and to early worldbuilding.
What I do sometimes do is wild scumteam guesses on Day 1, but they are rarely correct and never hold me from looking at other people too.
I don’t do conscious pre-flip world building unless something jumps out at me on Day 1. I take note of unalignments and possible buddy stuff, sure. But before I see a flip I’m not clearing / condemning people by association.
Day 1 is about finding the scummiest player to lynch and once we get bodies, the game of association starts.
He gives off scummy vibes so he's a lean scum. I won't artificially change my readslist because my scum leans don't match in teams.
And I don't understand why you're pushing that as something suspicious.
If I had to choose between Eco and Sloth, I would vote Sloth. I don't believe the Eco wagon is pure.
I'm going to give people a bit more time to see the light and vote you though. And reread Sloth.
I might have oversold the slow pace here lol
I know. But he hasn’t played here since... game of thrones I think?
We need the partner community there if we go for it.
And those of us interested join walruses, a mafia game here and there, some other forum fun and discord activity just so people know we exist and might venture to our community there to try a game.
We can host a game on the main site once in a while to get us known. But not as a main thing.
The partner community should be priority #1 and everything else is secondary if our hosts / players have excess energy.
If we try to go for main site long queues and our community combined, our hosts will burn out. And if we go for integration in the main site with long queues, our identity is gone.
I guess I could if we have a good talk about what to ask. But I think Silver is our best person there from how I’ve seen our interactions with the community.
I have a few connections and a tiny bit of a name thanks to the championship, but Silver has a lot more clout.
How on earth did you arrive at me leaning scum on you??
Because he’s my strongest read. I wasn’t looking at wagons when I voted. And I don’t care at this point really.
You obviously, I am voting you. Are you saying I should artificially push Axel in a better category because I am scum reading you?
I know you’re better than thinking townclearing people because they don’t match an early scumread is what I should be doing.
I think I said twice that I don’t think you and Axel are scum together? Why would you pick that out?
@Grape: you’re a total gut read.
This post keeps bugging me. Not just that word “townread”, which following his explanation should still be “read”; it seems like he knows Axel is town and is looking for a reason to start townreading him.
But also that Jackrito read. That Jackrito post had way too much suspicion in it for the content that was in thread at that point. I don’t understand how you can arrive to a town clear there.
Same for ZDS and Axel to a degree, but Vaimes goes for a town clear here, which is very premature.
Axel just agreeing with Vaimes’ readslist without adding any input feels like buddying. Axel/Vaimes not a thing probably because just quoting a buddy’s readslist and saying “I agree” seems like something mafia doesn’t do.
I think Eco and KJ are town. Eco has thought processes that are easy to follow and make a lot of sense.
And KJ is doing his usual thing where he questions everything.
I did do things to get content going. I made people talk about me. With lack of other reads, getting people to talk about myself is the best way to get reads on them.
And I can tell you I don’t like your approach. You’re taking the easy route here, throwing me into your suspicions without taking a real stance. But while you say I am not your strongest read, you are not voting the ones that are.
I’m also having problems with Terraine because her whole worldview is more or less mine reversed. And her reaction to me is bad in a similar way as Vaimes’ is.
I’m running out of time, my train is going to arrive soon.
Quick worldview:
Town lean
Eco
KJ
Grape
Null
Ignoramus
ZDS
Sloth
HR
Lean mafia
Axel
Jacrito
Terraine
Vaimes
Vaimes / Axel probably not together
vote: gooLagoon