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    posted a message on Avalon Mafia (Pre-Game)
    /confirm
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    That wasn't a scumread Scarbo.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    @Ghosting: Scarbo hardly has posts. Iso'ing him takes 3 minutes.

    @Iso: it's a reread of the first 8 or so pages. Kitty didn't post. And I'm not faking anything. Let's play. What seems fake to you?
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Because if the jailor claims, we know if D_V is selling us yet another gambit or not.
    But as I said, it can wait.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    I was doing a full reread, but I've been at it for 5 hours straight now. I'm forcing myself to stop.
    This is what I have from the first 8 or so pages.

    Vaimes
    Vaimes starts by asking Rodemy his age. I kind of liked that question. It seemed relevant to Rod’s posting style (+town)
    Immediately believes Ophidia’s VT claim (+town, I believed her too)
    Votes rodemy for the Ophidia attack (+town, I agreed at the time)
    #66 should mean Vaimes is leery of shadow, but he doesn’t follow up on that read ever. (+scum)
    #71 is bad. Very bad. He wants Rodemy to be pressured, but isn’t adding any pressure whatsoever (+scum)
    I agreed with most of Vaimes’s T/S list at the time, but now spotted something that makes me want to lynch him: his zomg read.
    Quote from Vaimes »
    I thought zomg’s RVS vote was really funny, but unfortunately, NAI. I’m still going to put him in my leaning-town-but-not-really-sure group.

    If Vaimes is indeed scum, then I think he accidentally cleared Kitty (Iso) in #182 lol

    Conclusion: Scum. My early tunneling made me overlook a lot it seems, because he was one of my strongest townreads in the beginning.

    Huntzilla
    #47: Enters the game after RVS, barns the bad Rodemy attack on Ophidia but in the same post turns 180° AND puts down an RVS vote (++scum)
    Keeps giving me town points, which is the complete opposite of how Hunt usually reads me. Either he became really good at reading me, or he’s scum. (null)
    In #282, he says he dislikes me and Rodemy for our Ghosting push, but at the same time he says “I’m not seeing what you all are with Ghosting”. That seems to imply he believes we do see something with Ghosting, which we wouldn’t really if we were scum and he town, would we? (+scum)

    Conclusion: scum

    D_V
    Calls Atog obv scum for 1 post and me town in the same post, while I basically /barned that one post from Atog. (++scum)
    In his next post, all he does is explain his Atog vote. Lots has happened to which he doesn’t react at all. (+scum)
    Total lack of content in his posts (+scum)
    He calls Ghosting and Shadow scum (#266) but without reasoning (+scum)

    Conclusion: scum

    Iso kittythegoddess

    Ophidia m. Ecophagy
    Claims vanilla off the bat. Gives him no wiggle room afterwards if ever put to claim range (+town)
    I love #108. Might be completely correct (+town)
    I like how he starts pushing omega for real content. (+town)

    Conclusion: town

    Scarbo
    Cleared by zomg in #194 (thanks zomg)

    Conclusion: town

    Ghosting
    I can’t get over the whole thing that happened with him. If you reread him, it is clear that I was his scumread, and that I was the one he was interested in. His turn into “it was always Rodemy / Ophidia” still bugs me.
    #127 (his first post): he calls Ophidia town, Rodemy town and is interested in me.
    #130 he says that I am the one he is most suspicious of and asks Vaimes if me and Rodemy can both be town (ME and Rodemy. Not Ophidia and Rodemy)
    Vaimes never answers his question and Ghosting never asks him to (+scum)
    I agree completely on his red read (+town)
    In #184 he acknowledges that he was talking about me when asking Vaimes that question
    In #206 I can understand that he misread my statement because I didn’t explicitly mention names. But I do mention them in #208 when I answer. There can be no misunderstanding about who we are talking about.
    And yet in all his next posts, he forgot who he asked Vaimes about initially and talks about Rodemy/Ophidia instead of Rodemy/Rhand. It confuses the hell out of me.
    In #240 he clearly doesn’t think Rodemy is town anymore, while in #250 he calls him town again (+scum)
    In #256 he asks Rodemy too look for his scumbuddies. What good can it do to let someone you think is town look for your buddies when you’re town yourself? (+scum)
    It bothers me that Ghosting doesn’t call out zomg for his terribad T/S and only responds to the part about him (#258). When asked about zomg, he shows that he did see how bad the T/S was (#302) (+scum)
    However, the tone of his defensive posts sounds really sincere (++town)

    Conclusion: I have no idea. Part of me wants him to be scum, but I the sincerity of his posts is something I can’t shrug off. Probably town?

    Mete0rShower Atogoholic
    Atog calls Rodemy scummy in RVS (+town, I agreed)
    Atog disappears (null)

    Conclusion: null

    Anaklusmos red_0mega
    Red_0mega /barns Rodemy’s bad Ophidia attack (+scum)
    In #74 he only asks about terminology. He doesn’t feel interested in the game at all. (+scum)
    #80 makes me think that he’s not happy with Vaimes townclearing Ophidia (+Vaimes/Anak relation)
    And #105 looks like he doesn’t like it when Hunt vouches for a towntell of mine (+Hunt/Anak relation)
    #132: there’s a real tonal difference between how he answers Vaimes and how he answers Ophidia.
    #133: he /barns Ghosting’s post that I didn’t like. (+scum)

    Conclusion: scum

    Cantripmancer
    Joins the game late. I love his catch-up post (++town)
    And everything he posts afterwards. Cantrip is town.

    Conclusion: town

    Rodemy
    I thought his RVS felt off, but I think I misread his sense of humor (null)
    Throws unnecessary pressure on Ophidia for the VT claim (+scum)
    Calls out Vaimes for Garciaing a question (+town)
    Is tying people together way too early in post #41 (+scum)
    From #53 onwards, I think Rodemy is undoubtedly town. His reaction to my tunneling him feels genuine.

    Conclusion: town


    Shadowlancerx
    #37: minor wording tell, but “I want to town read Vaimes” sounds off. Also, the @Rodemy part feels over explanatory (+scum)
    #56 is a good unvote (+town)
    #167: I like who he’s asking questions (+town)

    Conclusion: probably town

    Zomg’s T/S:
    Maybe it’s just me, but if you look at the difference between how he talks about D_V and Vaimes in his townpile vs everyone else there, they are the only two where he doesn’t tell us that they can be scum too. All other reads he leaves open.

    Okay I caught up, here is my thoughts on everyone so far. I do understand its the holidays and this day is gonna take longer than normal because of it but some people i just dont have reads on yet

    Town:
    Zomgarcwind
    Ophidia – early claim, that comes from someone desperate to make it a few days in rather than always die D1/N1. #174 could be scummy though, making the town assume the T:S ratios etc.
    Vaimes- This feels like town vaimes right now, he is trying to stop stupid wagons from starting and scum hunting for real scum not for the easy lynch and flip
    Rodemy- His behavior is the same behavior he has every day 1, even his scum game plays this way day 1. Im gonna stick him in the town pile for the day and look at him harder later down the line
    Huntzilla- Has not posted much content, most of his stuff feels PTAP. Could be Scum with Rod or Rhand #100 feels like coaching but his couple of other posts feel town
    D_V- Also hasn’t posted much, but as I reread I would start thinking something and he would say it, like his #113, literally 2 minutes ago I was thinking atog could be scummy because of his early posts then bam I read it.
    Cantripmancer- Had solid questions for everyone, while ive never played with him before I find posts like his first content post to not come from a scum unless that scum is wolfing.

    Null:
    Shadowlancerx- I need more posts to read him, but im usually pretty good at doing it. Im hoping that he can be sorted by 3/4 thru the day. #167 I liked a lot though, town!shadow doesn’t use OOG to win, Scum!shadow would.
    Scarbo- One post to let us know he would be back asap, nothing to go on.
    Kittythegoddess- 1 Word this game, I need more!
    red_0mega- Seems to play kinda cautiously, I cant tell if its refusing to name leads because he has none or if he overanalyses

    Scummy:
    Atogoholic- those few posts just seemed opportunistic. Why did you make them Atog?
    Ghosting- You feel like scum trying to get wagons started, maybe this is you just hunting since it benefits you this game. Then you pre-emptavely post games, including a micro scum and neutral game. I think I just have a problem with you including a neutral game, are you hinting that you rolled it AGAIN? Like I think your wagon could be just bull*****, but I dunno, link me a non-micro scum game maybe?
    Rhand- Seems like he is trying to hunt, but might just be that wine. Definitely appearing to make himself tied to Atog. Has been moving his vote around quite a bit. TSTBS or Wolfing?

    My vote is going to one of you, please answer my questions so I can decide which one
    Unvote

    I have too many scumreads. I'll continue the reread after the weekend.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    unvote

    I somehow didn't realize that the chat D_V is claiming means that the jail cannot be the reason for the failed nightkill.
    I really think the jailor should just claim, but I guess that can wait another Day or two.

    I've never seen the jail + chat + kill on this site, but I know that if you play Mafia on Starcraft, that is how the role works.

    I just woke up. I'll try to get a reread in today.

    @Ghosting: at the end of yesterDay you said you were going to push for my lynch toDay, and now you seem to have dropped me completely. What changed?
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    He needs 7 votes Teach
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    I’ll explain it in detail. As I said, it’s about the conversation toDay.

    This post is nonsense:
    Quote from D_V »
    Quote from Rodemy »
    vote dv

    Can't wait to see how he spins this.


    You are so town it hurts man.

    I believe our Doctor or Roleblocker stopped the kill last night.

    I was jailed last night.

    I will tell the same thing I told the Jailer.
    "I claimed Tracer for the lul value.

    Rodemy counter claimed me. Which was god damn great. I just wanted to instantly act as ridiculous as I could. The scum now won't waste a night kill on our highest thought of town player because of all of the WIFOM and now they definitely won't waste a kill on me either."


    You say that you think the doctor or roleblocker stopped the kill, while you were jailed.
    The DOCTOR or ROLEBLOCKER while you know there’s a JAILOR?
    You know that saying that you were the NK makes no sense, so without thinking you throw out some roles that can’t co-exist with a jailor.

    Then you go on Vaimes, but as soon as Iso calls you AND VAIMES scum, you switch to Iso.
    The guy called your biggest scumspect scum. He even voted Vaimes with you.
    Seems to me that you saw a good shot at unvoting your buddy and voting someone else instead.
    The weirdest of it all is that now you’re voting WITH VAIMES.
    The town reaction would've been to convince Iso that you're not scum but that Vaimes is.

    Which makes me think Iso is right about the 2 of you.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Quote from D_V »
    I want everyone to look at that Rhand Vote on me and explain how he logically gets to me.

    His only comment is that I lied "too many times".

    Ya'll need to not make that a scum tell. What do I DV scum have to gain from my rando tracer call out claim?


    You know... you could engage me instead of telling everyone else to see the logic that is in my brain.
    Also, you're ignoring the last part of my post.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Quote from D_V »
    Like even with me
    COUNTER NAME CLAIMING ZOMG. And his implosion of doom.

    Ya'll still took about 3000 hours to many to lynch him.


    Yeh that's the main point against you.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    @Iso / Rodemy: Ignore my questions. I see it now.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Quote from Ghosting »
    (The above isn't a lie and I've gone into more than enough detail about that, but yes claim to know my intentions We-oo-we-oo-weeee-oooooo, keh! ).

    Quote from Rhand »

    So I'm not allowed to be suspicious of more than the amount of scum we have? No


    It's that how are half the players in the game potential scum to you, it just comes across as so eager. I understand 3-5 at most, but we're talking 7/13 players who posted, and this is when a lot of people were v/la as well.

    What are your current reads on those players?
    What makes you think they're scum?
    Have you changed your opinion about any of them?

    I expect answers to all of these questions. :p

    You: I’m starting to doubt. I’m getting the feeling you really think I’m scum.
    Hunt: I still think he’s not town. He isn’t posting enough and isn’t inquisitive.
    D_V: He lied a few times too much. I think I know who the jailer is and I would like him to explain why he chose not to kill D_V. I’m not sure what to think. More on him later.
    Red: I explained why I thought he was scum early on. Anak hasn’t done anything to change that read.
    Scarbo: I prefer not to explain this read.
    Atog: lurking is his scum meta. But it turns out he wasn’t lurking but simply disappeared, which is null. No read here.


    Quote from zomgarcwind »
    Quote from shadowlancerx »
    So...I'm confused, is it standard that in a two scum team setup, each team would know who was on the other team? If that's really what's happening, that seems odd to me.

    No i dont know the other team except dv who is obv

    @Iso: Would zomg be this bold if DV was his buddy? If Vaimes / D_V are scum with zomg, then the scumteam did a whole lot of distancing yesterDay. Vaimes vs D_V and zomg vs D_V.
    I really need you to explain that D_V / Vaimes read. I have a hard time seeing Vaimes as scum.

    Quote from Anaklusmos »
    Oh hey look Ghosting is still scum.

    Vote Zomg

    This is an easy jab at a player under pressure.

    Quote from Vaimes »
    Like.

    zomg is scum, about to be lynched, and the last thing he does is make sure DV looks awful by claiming that he's on another mafia team and "bussing" him.

    This only works after it's been proven that the setup is multiball, be it by scum flipping specifically as Team A or Team B, or after two scum each with different team flavor flips.

    I could see zomg trying to spitefully get town to eliminate a Neutral. But DV retracted his Neutral claim, so.

    I don't know why he even claimed here. If this setup has one scumteam, then he's very unlikely to get lynched or vigged after getting zomg lynched. And no vig is going to shoot him just because zomg said so, unless zomg's flip proves that we're in a multiball.

    So. My overall feelings here are "leave DV alone if one scumteam, kill with fire if multiball."

    Which he shouldn't have to worry about, since he's insisting it's a regular setup. Wink

    Moving on.

    @Vaimes: if it would’ve been multiball, what makes you think zomg had a correct read on D_V?
    In your analysis post, you say Shadow is an unlikely partner to zomg. Why?

    Quote from Rodemy »
    No vaimes, d_v is scum. Trust me, we lynch him tomorrow.

    He claimed tracer.


    Guys.

    I'm Tracer.

    I AM JUST LAUGHING MY ASS OFF DON'T MIND ME.


    What makes you think D_V isn’t doing this exact same stuff as town?

    Quote from Vaimes »
    Nice.

    ToDay's competing wagons are going to be DV and Rod. Obviously.

    More people need to post thoughts on that.

    Why Rod?

    Quote from Vaimes »
    Anak r 0mega
    Mete0r r Atogaholic
    Iso r kittyslot
    Ghosting
    Huntzilla

    Five names, probably ~three more scum. Kill them all.


    I personally want to look into Anak and Hunt.

    Iso and Mete0r need to catch up, and they're both solid players that I personally think I can get a decent read on.

    Ghosting is eh, participatory and I'll let him word-vomit some more.

    Vote Anak

    Ehm and how did you go from D_V and Rod to this? OMG

    Gah I write this whole thing to then realize Iso is probably right. That whole conversation toDay feels completely unnatural. D_V / Vaimes and I think if we have a 4th it’s Anak for trying out if a Ghosting wagon is a possibility.
    Especially this post where he tries to get Rodemy on Ghosting without voting Ghosting himself:
    Quote from Anaklusmos »
    Oh hey, was nathed on exactly that point.

    @Rod I too think Ghosting is scum, what about him caught your eye?


    I think the scumteam did go for the heavy bussing strat, especially when zomg reached the point of no return.
    Only Hunt remains a mystery.

    vote D_V
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    My god you guys have been busy. Catching up.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Quote from Ghosting »
    Triple posting but just a note of interest:

    On December 27th you said you are scumreading: me, Hunt, D_V, zomg, red, scarbo, and Atog.
    So of the 13 players who have posted, you think more than half of them could be scum? And the half you chose are the generally agreed upon more scummy half.

    So I'm not allowed to be suspicious of more than the amount of scum we have? No
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Quote from Ghosting »
    Quote from Rhand »
    It's not the first time I catch you doing this Ghosting. There was also that question to Vaimes about Rodemy/me. Afterwards you didn't even remember what you asked Vaimes: you thought it was about Rodemy/Ophidia.


    No, the entire time I had intended to ask about Rodemy/Ophidia, and every post around that made by me and others was about Rodemy/Ophidia. The entire game was talking about those two players at that time. And that isn't an example of not caring about my questions considering I went on to give reads of those players before and after, as well as asked them more questions and have a comfortable view of them as a result.

    You are attempting to combine that weak point, with a point even weaker, claiming that me going to bed and not following up to you answering my question even though I wasn't online makes me scum. You must know the point you just made is weak, like my post #621 explains that pretty well, and Ophidia agreed that what you did was worthy of suspicion.


    The red is a blatant lie.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    It's not the first time I catch you doing this Ghosting. There was also that question to Vaimes about Rodemy/me. Afterwards you didn't even remember what you asked Vaimes: you thought it was about Rodemy/Ophidia.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Lol. Wasn't expecting that in a normal.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    @Ghosting: you asked me a question.
    I post without answering.
    You post again, not wondering why I didn't answer your question.
    It doesn't matter how much time there is between that. You don't care for your questions.

    @Zomg: are you claiming SK now?
    That means that DV should fullclaim now.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Quote from Rodemy »
    Quote from D_V »
    Yeah I love how vaimes is just sitting on the sideline.

    Scum team detected.


    Seeing you post this when i think you are scum made me giggle.

    @rhand, do you think that could be happening?

    That is the only plausable reason i can see scum!zomg fakeclaim sans not reading the rules.

    It is very possible yes.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Oh someone asked me about that game where I counter-name-claimed my buddy. It was this one: Winterfell
    There's no one else in this game that played in Winterfell.
    What happened is that I replaced into a scum slot and saw that my buddy Arianrhod had claimed my rolename. I counterclaimed him for towncred and that got me the win in the end.
    The reason Arianrhod claimed my rolename is that my name (Catelyn Stark) made a lot more sense for the role he was going to claim than his own name (Rickon Stark).
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Quote from Ghosting »
    Quote from zomgarcwind »

    Everything fits except me being scum, dont u find my wagon convenient? Due to lack of posting theres no real counterwagon, isnt that odd?


    Not really, and I actually don't think scum would create counterwagons at this point, it'd put them in a pretty bad spot tomorrow if you are indeed scum. The excuse just comes across as you grasping at straws.

    This one is scum too. He asked me a question that I ignored. He doesn't care for his own questions.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Quote from zomgarcwind »
    Quote from Rhand »
    Is it just me or did zomg just upgrade his role from dieing when town is targetted to bodyguarding them?

    Or u misread the first time?

    You said that you die if you target town that gets targetted.
    You didn't say that that town would then be saved from a kill. You didn't even mention a kill. It was merely about the town getting targetted and you dieing.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Is it just me or did zomg just upgrade his role from dieing when town is targetted to bodyguarding them?
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    There's no way your role co-exists with a cop. Why did you say that you would be copped next Night?
    And you asked to be protected by a doc. Why would you want to grab the doc protection if your role can make you die anyways?
    I don't believe this role is a role. Why would you be a town tracker if the scum dies anyways when you guess correctly? That makes no sense at all.
    I think you're a scum tracker.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    This game reminds me of a game where I counter-name claimed my scumbuddy because he claimed my name. I won that game.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Quote from zomgarcwind »
    Quote from Rodemy »
    "I think they are mainly sitting back watching us bicker back and forth"

    What makes you think that, @zomg?

    1) No penalty for doing so due to the holiday
    2) It allows a prime wagon to form without their names on it
    3) They cant be accused of starting the wagon
    4) In all likelihood they can sit the middle of the wagon and not need to hammer

    tbh if i were scum id probably wrap this up nice and tight with a bow and get my lynch done quick so that i didnt spew. Getting an early d1 scum isnt always the best play for town because there wont be alot to analyze on my flip, the exception is if im a PR scum, then it would be a good town play

    Quote from Rhand »

    I’m still very happy with a zomg lynch.
    Quote from zomgarcwind »

    Long story short man, im not scum. I think they are mainly sitting back watching us bicker back and forth. You do realize how easy it is to setup a chain-lynch with me right now right? And all that before halfish of the game has even given content. At the very least lets get some posts and content in and then yall can make up your mind, but quick lynching me destroys D1 at this point, which is the most telling day in the end game, atleast for me it is

    Who would be chain-lynched and why?

    At this exact moment? probably You/Rodemy, and mayyyybe cantrip. You/Rod are more "attacking" and cantrip is more "hunting" if that makes sense. So if yall lynch me and see my town flip i could see them tunnelling you, even though Rodemy is exhibiting similar behavior its within his meta and i think that would be taken into consideration. Same probably goes if i get NKd too.

    I get that townies have to die to solve the game, and if i die i die, but just not this early in d1 with this little activity, my death gives the town very little to work with at this particular time. Just shelf me till the end of the day and if no one else seems scummier atleast youll have more to go off of with my flip to solve this thing

    The red: Are you really saying that it's better for us to lynch town over a scum goon? And you're using that as a reason for why we shouldn't lynch you? OMG

    Why are you worried about me getting lynched if you're a mislynch? Didn't you think I was scum?
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Quote from Vaimes »
    Quote from Rhand »
    Quote from Vaimes »
    It's gonna be a struggle to lynch anyone toDay, tbh. Since no deadline means no incentive to be active, and everyone is lurking so you can't call out one specific person for it.

    I'm probably gonna vote Hunt at some point and watch him squirm.

    I'm with you there.
    But for now I likw where Rodemy is going.

    unvote, vote zomg
    Where is Rod going?

    To someone who is not Ophidia.

    I love Cantrip.

    Quote from scarbo »
    I think I've struck some nerves! This is exciting.

    Vote: cantripmancer

    Looks like Scarbo doesn’t. Weird.

    I’m still very happy with a zomg lynch.
    Quote from zomgarcwind »

    Long story short man, im not scum. I think they are mainly sitting back watching us bicker back and forth. You do realize how easy it is to setup a chain-lynch with me right now right? And all that before halfish of the game has even given content. At the very least lets get some posts and content in and then yall can make up your mind, but quick lynching me destroys D1 at this point, which is the most telling day in the end game, atleast for me it is

    Who would be chain-lynched and why?

    I was kind of hoping on more content during my absence :/
    I hope Atog and Kitty come out and play soon.

    Off the top of my head, this is where I stand:
    Neutral: D_V
    Town: Rhand, Ophidia, Rodemy, Cantripmancer
    Lean town: Vaimes
    Null: scarbo, kittythegoddess, Shadowlancerx, Atogoholic
    Lean scum: Ghosting, Anaklusmos, Huntzilla
    Scum: zomgarcwind

    Some explanations:
    I have stronger town-vibes from Vaimes than just a lean, but his conversation with Scarbo irks me. I think that if one of them flips scum, the other is probably scum too. The townvibes on Vaimes pulled Scarbo from lean scum to null, while the scumvibes on Scarbo pulled Vaimes from town to lean town.

    I can’t remember anything from Shadow. I know he’s posted enough, so I’ll have to reread him.

    For Atog, lurking is in his scum meta. But simply not posting might have a reason that is not alignment-telling at all. I hope he’s back soon so I can get a better read on him.

    Anaklusmos got the scum lean carried over from red.

    Huntzilla is still coasting without much content.
    @Hunt: most recent town and scum games please?
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    I'm back. Reading up now.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Lotsof unexpected visitors over the last days.
    I'll be back the 2nd.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Quote from Vaimes »
    It's gonna be a struggle to lynch anyone toDay, tbh. Since no deadline means no incentive to be active, and everyone is lurking so you can't call out one specific person for it.

    I'm probably gonna vote Hunt at some point and watch him squirm.

    I'm with you there.
    But for now I likw where Rodemy is going.

    unvote, vote zomg
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    He might.

    @Ophidia: any reason why that post should wait until the 30th?
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Quote from Rodemy »
    >:[ i swear to to god.

    Rhand, do you see nothing scummy about saying .
    "However, Rodemy immediately sees my earlier post as a implication of "If Ghost is town, Rodemy is scum". Sounds a bit too self-aware, eh?"

    WHEN THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID.

    "Rodemy is scum" and "I can see how Rodemy is scum" is not the same?
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Quote from Rodemy »

    Quote from Ophidia »
    Alright Ghost, I am going to rephrase this statement: Although you lean town to me, I could be wrong and you are not on the top of my town list either. Leaning town slightly does not mean that I trust you as town, since most players here are town and a slight town read can easily be mafia.

    On the information part, I never mentioned in my post that "Rodemy is scum". However, Rodemy immediately sees my earlier post as a implication of "If Ghost is town, Rodemy is scum". Sounds a bit too self-aware, eh?

    Red Omega is currently on the top of my scum list, and I am quite uncertain about other players.


    Quote from Ophidia »
    "You have something similar multiple times (#79, #103, #227, #231), completely unnecessarily; no one has even been near claim range. We are all aware that some people are still out for the holidays, that a few people have barely posted at all yet, and that it would be a bad idea to rush into anything;
    Why do you feel the need to seem so concerned about it?"

    Just as you said, because I don't want the day to end before scarbo and kitty get to post anything. Maybe it is Rodemy's aggressive attitude that leads mr to believe that Ghost is about to be lynched. Maybe it is just my laziness and a lack of things to say.

    To me Ghost is slightly town, but we will have to see his role. IF he is town, however, I can totally see how Rodemy is scum,which I will explain sometime around the 30th.

    On a side note, can the mod post the vote count please?


    vote ophidia

    That's not a lie and therefor not the gotcha you seem to think it is.
    I think you're both town. You should both look elsewhere.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    @Rodemy: that was a typo and is supposed to be CFTWR (caught for the wrong reasons)
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Because lurkers hide in the shadows and are hard to lynch. Active scum have a good chance to slip somewhere in the future.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Oh and Atog
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    I don't know why you feel I'm fake. I am trying to solve the game.

    Have you read my posts? I think Rodemy is town, so that would be an easy shot.
    If I could dayvig, I think I would take out a lurker though.

    I'm always mislynch fodder when I'm town. I guess any scum would rip me apart if I kill a townie. Right now my candidates for scum are Ghosting, Hunt, DV, you, red and scarbo.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    EBWODP:
    CFTWR. Caught is obviously not with a "Q" :p
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Ok I reread Ghosting. It seems that he somehow never really read my post 142 and thought I accused him of picking sides in the Rodemy/Ophidia argument, while I was all the time accusing him of picking sides in the Rodemy/Rhand argument.
    He never looked back to his own posts, because he assumed he had asked Vaimes his opinion on Rodemy/Ophidia while he in reality had asked him his opinion on Rodemy/Rhand.

    So the only things he did wrong is forgetting what question he asked Vaimes and not really reading my wall.

    Which does bother me, because I was supposed to be the most suspicious player for him and then he doesn't read my posts.
    And forgetting what you asked someone shows that you don't care for your own questions.

    I think the flailing to Rodemy we saw happening is an example of QFTWR.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Tomorrow I'm going to spend some time on reading Ghosting again. I really wonder if he sincerely means that he thought the conversation had switched.
    @Ghosting: you keep repeating how bad rodemy's posts are. What is your current read on him?

    I really dislike Hunt. All he does is throw potshots at the active posters, and he still didn't move his RVS vote.
    @Hunt: Do something useful?

    Same for D_V. Proposing a nameclaim is not useful.
    @D_V: Do something useful?

    And then there's Zomgcarwind. I think I've never seen a T/S with as few strong reads as his. He literally says with almost all his townreads that they can be scum and with his scumreads that they can be town. And then he says that he's going to vote one of his scumreads depending on their answers to his question, but doesn't even ask me (the bottom read) anything.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    @Ghosting: we were clearly talking about Rodemy and me. I don't see how you can have switched there to Rodemy / Ophidia.

    Hunt, D_V and Ghosting don't have their votes where their mouth is. I don't like that.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    I'm too hungover to read anything today.
    Merry Christmas everyone, and see you tomorrow Smile
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Quote from Ghosting »
    Quote from Vaimes »
    Hi Ghosting.

    You sure do seem to like people.

    Anyone you don't like?


    As hinted at in my post, Rhand is the player I'm most suspicious of right now. Not really fond of how his position on the Rodemy wagon right now, and am planning on reading more into that in the morning.

    How do you feel about him? Between him and Rodemy, which do you think is more likely town? Do you think they can both be town?

    This is not calling us both town.
    unvote, vote Ghosting
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    That scum game doesn't really help me lol. You had like 2 posts in that micro Smile
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    That is one of the reasons I want to see a towngame from him.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    @Rodemy: yes

    @Ghosting:
    1) You were presenting your view of the Rodemy / Rhand situation.
    2) Your post read to me as you wanting exactly one of us to be scum.
    3) Your question to Vaimes shows that you were not really interested to get two townclears out of that situation.
    4) It isn't in a vacuum. I'm not sure how to explain, but in this particular fight, it's opportunistic.

    Extra question: that's all in my t/s post? Omega and D_V are most scummy. I think Rodemy and Ophidia are both town and not a dichotomy.

    These questions of yours drop you more on my scumlist. Most of it is rethoric and phrased in such a way that you can jump on whatever answer I give to them.
    Can you point me to your last scum and town games please?
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    I missed Zomg's picture vote at first. But I believe him that he had it ready and was going to use it regardless of alignment.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    @Rodemy / Cantrip: I've had good succes with RVS tells before. They are always a good start, and more often than you think are correct. It's just that by the time the scum is lynched, you forgot all about those tells, which is why people don't put as much stock in them as they deserve.
    Voting the mod or an oog player is often done to not show up in votecounts or to not step on any toes early on, but this is a very weak one.
    Not having fun in RVS is the biggest tell, although in this case I simply misjudged Rod's sense of humor.

    @Ghosting: you're lean scum on my T/S because you want to pick sides in what I think is a town vs town discussion. You're not in the bottom because I agree with your posts on omega.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    @Rodemy: I do understand where you come from yes. But that post was intimidating. The tone of your jokes was not funny.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    @Rodemy: I was trying to keep up RVS. Which I think is the answer to everything you said about me?
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    I disliked Ghosting at first, but his Omega read seems correct, so I dunno. He might be town, he might be bussing. Omega is a much more solid read.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    I'm wondering if Cantrip and Scarbo even know this game started
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Rodemy is town. I waited the night to say that, because I was hoping that there would be opportunistic scum picking a side in our argument.
    Let’s see what we we have.

    I already thought so, but Ophidia is definitely town for this change of heart:
    Quote from Ophidia »
    I was busy getting gud in Dark Souls the last few hours. Now I am back.

    After rereading the thread and the threads Rodemy played in, this Rodemy feels very much town for me, it is just that he is too aggressive most of the time, which makes him an easy target for maf members.

    Again, I would suggest against lynching anyone this early into day one.


    Ghosting fell for the trap it seems:
    Quote from Ghosting »
    Fairly certain Ophidia is town because I planned on doing the exact same thing he did. Also, he has a mentor and did it, before asking the mentor, further making me believe he’s town. Sure he could do that as scum, but he has a lot less to gain and much more to risk. As a noob (if you’re not a noob, my apologies), claiming VT straight up seems more likely than scum, which I imagine you’d be more paranoid and cautious first run around.

    Post #37 by shadowlancer read interestingly to me, but lean town.

    Post #44: At this point I actually think Rodemy is just eager town trying to actively hunt and getting a lot of attention too quickly for something I could totally see myself doing as town. Earlier his posts seemed like scum trying to create an easy mislynch, but as it progressed it seems much more like eager town theory-gaming and tunneling. More interested in Rhand and how quickly he jumped on and supported the Rodemy wagon. Going to look over that in a bit.

    Huntz reading town for active posts like #101 and #118. Overall attitude and genuine lines of questioning come off as inherently town.

    He wants to pick a side. And he’s forcing Vaimes to pick one too:
    Quote from Ghosting »
    Quote from Vaimes »
    Hi Ghosting.

    You sure do seem to like people.

    Anyone you don't like?


    As hinted at in my post, Rhand is the player I'm most suspicious of right now. Not really fond of how his position on the Rodemy wagon right now, and am planning on reading more into that in the morning.

    How do you feel about him? Between him and Rodemy, which do you think is more likely town? Do you think they can both be town?




    Other stuff:
    Did Atog ever give a reason for absence? I’ve got the feeling that he wanted Rod / me to play out before rejoining the conversation.

    D_V and Hunt both make me feel uneasy for their soft townclears of me early on. Feels like buddying.
    D_V’s read of Atog is too harsh based on 2 posts.

    Red_Omega feels like he’s coasting. Lots of useless questions, and most aimed at obv_town Ophidia.
    It also bothers me how omega keeps on liking posts I dislike

    I like Vaimes for his T/S. I was planning on doing the same. And his T/S is very similar to mine.
    @Vaimes: what does green mean?

    I do like Ghosting’s read on Omega.

    That gives:

    Town:
    Rhand
    Ophidia m. Ecophagy
    Rodemy

    Lean town:
    Vaimes

    Null:
    zomgarcwind
    kittythegoddess m. Iso
    scarbo
    Cantripmancer
    Shadowlancerx

    Lean scum:
    Huntzilla
    Ghosting
    Atogoholic

    Probably scum:
    D_V
    red_0mega

    unvote, vote red_0mega
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Quote from Huntzilla »
    Quote from Rhand »
    Oh and I have no clue what this means lol
    Enlighten me hunt Smile
    Quote from Huntzilla »
    Ahhhhhhh *****. We lost Rhand already
    it had the tunnel pic attached to it. I was picking on your propensity to tunnel. Just ball busting because I missed ya
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Do you think tunneling is a scumtell?
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    See and that's why I think you're lying. If you really believed I was scum, you would be pushing on me.
    You called your vote pressure, but I'm not feeling any.

    To recapitulate what I did: I thought you were scummy from the get-go, but didn't act on it because I'm a sucker for rvs tells and wanted to see more people post rvs. My reaction to Atog was to try to convince him to wait with breaking it too.
    Then when it was broken anyways, I decided to make a case on you and I needed a computer for the quotes, hence me not answering why you were scummy immediately.
    How does any of that make me scum?
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    @Vaimes: did you ever answer my question?

    @Rodemy: "fun" maybe isn't the correct word. What I mean is that your posts all had a serious sound to them. No lightness.
    Talk me through your "joke" to kitty. How is that funny?
    If Atog's / my read was only confusing to you, then why put so much stock in our (especially my) answer? You even voted me for it.
    So you're saying that if 2 players attack someone for the same post, they are by definition aligned?
    And no, I haven't read your last scumgame.

    Why are you worried about a quicklynch? Do you have any idea how many votes you need to get lynched? And are you really saying I should not put pressure on my biggest scumread because there's already votes on him? No
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    posted a message on Avalon Mafia Sign-Ups
    Is there a scumchat?
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Oh and I have no clue what this means lol
    Enlighten me hunt Smile
    Quote from Huntzilla »
    Ahhhhhhh *****. We lost Rhand already
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Reasons why I think Rodemy is the correct place to put pressure:

    I dig RVS tells. And Rodemy started off showing two in one post: not having fun and voting someone not in the game.
    Quote from Rodemy »
    /confirm

    And thats 8.

    Bloody hell, just woke up.

    vote seppel


    Both are weak tells of course, it’s only RVS. But it’s a good starting point.
    The not having fun continues. He says he’s “in a mood”.
    Quote from Rodemy »
    Quote from Rhand »
    vote D_V
    He confirmed in the past tense. He must have already confirmed somewhere else... in the Mafia QT most probably!




    Did you not want to acknowledge huntzilla's "/coinfarm?"

    Seeing as your rvs vote is based off how D_V "confirmed" and didn't "confirm", i'd like to know your thoughts on that.


    Man i must be in a mood this morning.

    The next post is pretty dirty: He goes all condescending on the new player. The tone sounds like “don’t mess with me”.
    Quote from Rodemy »
    CONFIRM


    And with much excitement.

    Are you scum? Since you are new here i will let you in on the rules:

    If i ask you, you have to tell me if you are.



    Next he becomes self-aware, ignoring the fact that I didn’t even move my vote to him:
    Quote from Rodemy »
    @rhand and Atog. Share with the class how it seems scummy.


    And then we get the gem:
    Quote from Rodemy »
    Quote from Ophidia »
    I am not voting anyone for now.

    Just to make sure that I don't die on the first two days, I am McCree, the vanilla town.



    unvote vote ophidia

    Whelp. Guess rvs is over.

    Why are you claiming with no pressure?
    When were you ever in fear of dying?

    Why do you think a vanilla claim will stop you from dying?

    Answer or get lynched.


    Answer or get lynched. A threat. Town has no reason to throw threats around. Especially not this early in the game. This is scum threatening town.

    Next he accuses Vaimes of being scummy, has some back and forth with Ophidia, and then posts this:
    Quote from Rodemy »

    I also see a coorelation between atog and rhand in thay rhand agreed that my joke with kitty was scummy with nonother explination.

    That’s toxic linking. Something scum loves doing.

    Then this is a smear:
    Quote from Rodemy »
    Rhand is avoiding my question.

    Please tell me how that stupid joke makes me scum.



    I did say I was going to make a case. Obviously that post would be part of it.
    Quote from Rodemy »
    ANYWAY.

    unvote you can wait.


    vote rhand

    For pressure and such.

    Rolleyes

    Other things:
    @Omega and Hunt: I understand that you agree with Rodemy that Ophidia shouldn't have claimed. I agree too. But what do you think of Rodemy's post itself? The tone of it?

    @D_V: why is Atog scum?
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    posted a message on Avalon Mafia Sign-Ups
    /in :-D
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    @Ophidia: eating the NK as vanilla is a good thing. That's what vanilla's are for.

    @Vaimes: was there sarcasm in your initial reaction to Ophidia?

    @Shadow: I really put a lot of stock in RVS tells. I would've liked to see it go on a while longer. Some people haven't even posted yet, including the one that had my RVS vote. Since it clearly is over now:
    unvote, vote Rodemy
    I'll make a mini-case when I'm on a pc.

    @omega: why barn Rodemy's post about ophidia but not vote?


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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    I'm doing very well Smile
    Happy to be in a game again.

    You're right about Rodemy. But let's keep RVS going a while longer first. I do like RVS tells.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    Quote from Rodemy »
    CONFIRM


    And with much excitement.

    Are you scum? Since you are new here i will let you in on the rules:

    If i ask you, you have to tell me if you are.



    You forgot to add that he should do that in scumchat. Quickly tell him or he'll out your whole team here before you know it!

    I like coinfarms.
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    vote D_V
    He confirmed in the past tense. He must have already confirmed somewhere else... in the Mafia QT most probably!
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    posted a message on Overwatch Mafia! Day 2 - Numbani
    /confirm
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    posted a message on The Only Way You Leave [The Family] is in a Bodybag (Mafia Theory & Discussion)
    I installed the app but have no clue what to do now Smile
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    posted a message on One Piece/Overwatch Mafia - Sign-Ups! (14/14) Closed!
    Yes, with a vengeance Smile
    Are there replacements needed anywhere? Now that I made the decision, I'm eager to play ;-)
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    posted a message on The Only Way You Leave [The Family] is in a Bodybag (Mafia Theory & Discussion)
    I need to say sorry to you all for disappearing. Real life got the best of me. Not in a bad way, but it became overwhelming. I'm used to my new job now and ready for a big comeback.

    So let's talk about you. Who has shown improvement the last months? Who are the players to watch? Did the meta become more friendly?
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    posted a message on One Piece/Overwatch Mafia - Sign-Ups! (14/14) Closed!
    First of all: sorry for my sudden disappearance. Real life is sorted out now, so I'm back.

    /in
    I guess smaller is better seeing that the game doesn't fill.

    No flavor preference. I know neither Smile
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    posted a message on Star Trek: Myriad Universes Mafia IV: Game Over - Serial Killer Wins
    Wow the walls. The waaaaaallls.
    I hate falling behind in a game with big posts like this Slant

    I semi-skimmed. Still think Kosa is our best lynch.

    Is there anything I should react to?
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    posted a message on Blackout Mafia Game Over Town Victory
    Sorry for disappearing. My internet connection has been very unstable. Trying to get caught up.
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    posted a message on Star Trek: Myriad Universes Mafia IV: Game Over - Serial Killer Wins
    Sorry for disappearing. My internet connection has been very unstable. Trying to get caught up.
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    posted a message on Blackout Mafia Game Over Town Victory
    Wow you guys have been busy.
    I wished you guys would trust me on the claim + lynch ascetic plan. It's really good.

    My new cruise starts today. I probably won't be able to react to stuff before the late evening (Europe time).
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    posted a message on Blackout Mafia Game Over Town Victory
    For the second lynch, I really think we need to avoid lynching not-ascetic PR's toDay. When someone is ran up, they should not claim role but just "PR" or "not PR".
    If scum vanilla claims PR, he'll automatically be counterclaimed toMorrow when we massclaim, netting us a free scum lynch.
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