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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from Manders »
    Quote from Cythare »
    I have to review Manders - she has a lot of interactions which seems fine on a surface level, but they're softer than others' were. This warrants more review.
    For the record, I did think he was Town and was very wrong. I'm, admittedly, kind of biased when it comes to Iso. He's a good friend.

    Most everyone else in the game knows this, but I don't know if you do.
    I kinda gathered that from earlier on, but I didn't actually know it for sure.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    So this is the updated thing with the dead town controls. I included all of them for reference, since they were kind of all over the place, but D_V is likely the best control player. D_V interacted with Iso a lot, while all three other dead townies barely did, but none were alive during Iso's wagon, and Iso spent much of D1 in "catchup mode", which limited his interactions during that time.

    Anaklusmos ||||------
    Axelrod ||-----
    Cyan ||||-----------
    Cythare |||-----
    Gentleman Johnny ||||||||----------------
    Manders |||||||||||-------------------
    Seppel ||||||||||||||||---------
    shadowlancerx ||||||--
    tomsloger |||||||||||||||----------------
    Wildfire393 |-----
    Zomgarcwind/TheIceMan ||||||||-

    Bur
    Sir Chris |----
    Tordeck ||
    DV ||||||||||||----

    I kinda regret taking on this project without first figuring out all of the pieces to it. I also realized in retrospect that I didn't really downgrade or upgrade interactions based on if they were actually meaningful, which is terrible. This is most notable with Gentleman Johnny, who has a lot of direct interactions, but many of them are actually meaningless.

    ZOMG/TIM is clearly town. All of TIM's interactions are direct, clear, and critical. 997, 1200, and 1285 (where he goes into the post reviewing Anak and comes out voting Iso) are all great examples of this. He only has one passing mention, and that's when he states that he'll need to review Iso's most recent post later. He doesn't, but given the other interactions, I don't think that's a strike against him.
    tomsloger also comes off as town. Partially because of the sheer number of interactions, but also that a lot of them were pushing back in what felt like a pretty townie way. 1497 is a bit later on in the Iso wagon, but tom called Iso out on his big catchup post, Iso responded with a crappy answer, and tom followed up by calling him out again. This came across as pretty organic to me. His hesitancy about surrounding scum (such as in 1330) also strikes me as town critically thinking about the gamestate rather than scum trying to find potential marks.
    Seppel and Iso railed at each other so much that I just don't see them being buddies.
    shadowlancerx's interactions are fine - he doesn't engage much Day 1, but most people don't. His handful of strong interactions come across as town-critical and don't read like bussing to me.
    I have to review Manders - she has a lot of interactions which seems fine on a surface level, but they're softer than others' were. This warrants more review.
    This leaves Cyan, Axelrod, Anak, Wildfire, GJ, and myself.

    Wildfire's only direct interaction with Iso is when Iso makes his first catchup post in 919. When Wildfire isn't on it, he responds with this:

    Quote from Wildfire393 »
    Literal nothing about me Iso?
    There's a follow-up where Iso clarifies that his post was only through post #300, to which Wildfire says "Oh. Right." Other than that, Wildfire largely avoids interaction with Iso. He mentions him in his first big post after reading up saying he "has an inkling of a read" but chooses not to share it. Iso's the only player he avoids providing a read on. His other passive mentions include a soft jab at the size and quality of Iso's scumteam and damage control for himself by saying that maybe Iso's trying to tie him to Iso's wagon so he can be mislynched. While I didn't actually include D3 mentions, Wildfire follows up on this on D3 by saying he "doesn't know what Iso's motivations were". His post here where he's asked by shadow about how he feels about who's empowering is pretty basic. He leads with saying "but Tom did it too", qualifies his GJ scumread (which also kinda materialized, then disappeared again after D_V's flip), then says "I don't know what Iso's motivations were".

    Cyan I'm a bit confused about. His initial vote is because of TIM's post where he ended up voting, which is NAI to me. The locking onto his claim is something I'm a bit wary of, given that roles might be randomized. If we don't know whether or not this is the case, using a role as additional fodder seems unnecessary. Pointing out Iso's weird worldview post here looks decent to me, but then a lot of his other interactions largely come across as dismissive of Iso and reiterating that he's scum. This could be because town!Cyan is just so sure that scum's been found that he doesn't want to listen to Iso any more? Dunno.

    Anak has this really awkward post here where it looks like he's trying to claim credit for doing something right while voting Iso. It looks terrible, but that's separate of the interaction itself. His other direct interactions aren't very valuable - he asks Iso why he keeps making big posts if it's hard to glean info from them, but that's his next post after saying that Iso's doing so comes across as townie. He later says that we should consider his vote on Iso (I marked this as direct, for some reason, despite having no other Iso-related content), and then finally calling Iso out for Iso trying to dismiss everyone's cases (and backing up that it's based on POE from one wagon analysis).

    Axelrod has two direct interactions - one is for calling Iso out on just catching up instead of participating in the moment, and the other one is really early on when Iso tries to engage Axelrod by asking him a bunch of gamestate-related questions, but they're all softballs. Axelrod otherwise mentions Iso a few times, but not really about anything specific. He twice mentions him as a non-entity and says this is troubling the second time, then says that Iso empowering Sir Chris might look good but might not if scum were planning to NK Chris anyways, moves Iso from neutral to leaning scum in his list (the next time he's mentioned) without any context, and then that's it before the Iso lynch. There is also this post towards the end of Day 2 where Axelrod prods at Anak, which stood out to me as maybe a test of the waters, but he never really follows up on it.

    GJ has a lot of interactions, but I noted direct things as direct without actually reviewing how meaningful they were. This next stuff was going to just be the ones I marked as direct but it became something else so keep that in mind. These are all the interactions that I think are meaningless or interactions that just look bad, and there are a lot of them. He has 44 which is just a response to a rules thing, 297 where he clarifies that he swapped Iso and Seppel, this light dig here which looks kinda like coaching, this post which includes a question that feels a lot like a softball about Iso's proposed team for someone that GJ has now mentioned he's leaning scum - there's no pressure indicated here. He then walks back to a null read on Iso in 992 saying Iso "could be the veteran wolf" but he gets the "solve the game feeling" from him, moves him up to slight town in his list, then abruptly scumreads him for the "pfffft" comment (granted, I wouldn't blame a town!GJ for this one), subtly tries to move back towards Wildfire/Anak a couple posts later. He tries to suggest lynching one of Iso/Seppel soon after, when Iso's already the major wagon, then hammers Iso saying he's the last person to use meta, but that he's using meta.

    While I skipped Manders, I think that's fine for now based on everyone else.

    I feel like there's more I should be digging into here, but I'm tired of reviewing this.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from Megiddo »
    where's the dead town players as controls?
    I didn't realize that was a part of it, since I've only ever done it once, where I left them out because I didn't know then either and no one corrected me. I'll go back and do that.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    I think I'm the only one who's changed my vote since Azrael's last VC here (from GJ to Wildfire):

    Quote from Azrael »
    Official Vote Count:

    Wildfire- GJ, Anak, Tom
    GJ- Cyth, MH, Cyan

    With 12 alive, 7 to lynch

    Official Empowerment Count:


    Seppel - Cyth
    Cyth- Seppel, WF
    MH- Axelrod
    Shadow - Tom, GJ, Cyan
    Cyan - Shadow, MH
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    I recognize that a lot of the context of my analysis isn't provided, but I ran out of time so just did a couple quick hits.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Now for the actual post I was working on. I spent the morning going through and doing interaction analysis with Iso, based on how I think Prophylaxis does it?

    Anaklusmos ||||------
    Axelrod ||-----
    Cyan ||||-----------
    Cythare |||-----
    Gentleman Johnny ||||||||----------------
    Manders |||||||||||-------------------
    Seppel ||||||||||||||||---------
    shadowlancerx ||||||--
    tomsloger |||||||||||||||----------------
    Wildfire393 |-----
    Zomgarcwind/TheIceMan ||||||||-

    Based on this alone, I'm fairly confident that zomg, tom, and Seppel are not scum with Iso. The clear weak points with this are myself, Wildfire, and Axelrod, with Anak and Cyan closeish behind. It's maybe worth noting that most of the interaction for myself, Cyan, and Anak came late in Iso's wagon on D2. I removed Megiddo from the list because he was in Spec Chat the whole time that Iso was alive, and I didn't know how to weigh his posts.

    I think this is convincing me that we should go with Wildfire again for now.

    Some specific posts that caught my eye:

    Quote from tomsloger »
    Quote from Wildfire393 »
    Any takers?
    not that i trust you at all
    but manders using my empowerment to let you try your luck against me tomorrow would be pretty hilarious


    anyone empowering wildfire has to at least consider the possibility scumwildfire with his weird reads just mowing down lurker town.
    especially if iso flips scum with the hard defending.
    you dont bus a buddy that theoretically doubles your teams kill power.

    i think proph nailed it
    I had forgotten about this and this is a large part of what's convincing me to circle back around to Wildfire.

    Quote from Anaklusmos »
    Hey I started the day calling Manders scum, this just reinforces that.

    Thanks Az! Vote Iso
    This just looks bad, since it's an attempt to get town credit for calling something early.

    Unvote
    Vote Wildfire
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from Axelrod »
    Quote from Cythare »
    I really don't want to rely on a scumread that's potentially going to be lynched not unempowering me at the last second. Seppel can fall back on his 0 if need be, which is why he looks like the best person to be empowered by Wf/GJ.

    I feel like we're mostly in a holding pattern while we keep waiting on zomgarcwind. It's been just shy of 3 days since his last post. :/
    Quote from Axelrod »
    Who is actually in support of this plan? I need a headcount.
    I'm in support of coordinating empowerment.

    Specifically the distribution Seppel is suggesting? Which has him receiving 2, presumably so he can achieve his ultimate-really-good-but-super-secret ability.

    I understand that some people know what this supposedly is? But I would be taking it on faith and I currently have very little faith in Seppel due to his being a lying-liarpants, hence my problem.
    I made the list and ordered based on how much I trust people getting empowered. He ended up towards the bottom of the list, partially because he has a 0 ability anyways, and with him getting empowerment from Wildfire and GJ, because I suspect them to both be scum. Do you have a scumread on Seppel or just a liarpants read?
    Quote from Anaklusmos »
    So thats the main post that just comes off as a blatant misdirect, Iso is the main wagon and its not slowing down. Attempting to derail it with further speculation into Seppels motive/role/anything doesn't do anything but make GJ look like Iso's buddy, especially with the fact that Iso was townreading GJ at this point.

    The problem I am running into now looking back through this is that I don't believe scum!GJ would implicate scum!WF into shooting scum!Iso as the attempt to derail the wagon. Tying the entire team together like that would bring them all down once Iso (rather inevitably at this point) flips scum. That makes one of GJ and WF town, and since I am firmly on the scum!WF train, GJ has to be town. Which makes me uncomfortable as that diversion attempt is giving me a sour feeling.

    But in this post, he also tries to subtly suggest lynching Seppel instead to see if it will gain ground. If this can gain ground, then he can try to convince Iso and Wildfire to Quick Draw, and when one flips scum, it "clears" the other. Also, while he did put Wildfire as his highest scumread, most of his interactions come with qualifiers after the list - he mostly said that one of you/Wildfire was scum with a lean towards Wildfire.
    Quote from Anaklusmos »
    If WF doesn't want to coordinate (because he is scum duh) I'm happy to fill in, considering I have an empower that nobody seems to want.

    Given that we have a lot of uncooperative people, sure. My updated proposal is this:

    Cythare (2) - Seppel, Cyan(?)
    shadowlancerx (2) - Tom, GJ
    Tom (0)
    Megiddo (0)
    zomgarcwind (2) - WF, Megiddo
    Cyan (4) - Manders, Axelrod(?), Anaklusmos, shadowlancerx
    Seppel (2) - zomg, Cythare

    I don't know if this works, or if there's buy-in, but zomg isn't horribly active, so we don't know what he'd benefit from. TIM also never asked for empowerment other than to keep it out of scum hands. This makes wildfire happy and is lower risk if he unempowers zomg, still keeps Seppel towards the bottom, and lets the others who aren't buying in stay where they want other than Axelrod, who I don't know if I can convince. Axelrod, would you empower Cyan?
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    I really don't want to rely on a scumread that's potentially going to be lynched not unempowering me at the last second. Seppel can fall back on his 0 if need be, which is why he looks like the best person to be empowered by Wf/GJ.

    I feel like we're mostly in a holding pattern while we keep waiting on zomgarcwind. It's been just shy of 3 days since his last post. :/
    Quote from Axelrod »
    Who is actually in support of this plan? I need a headcount.
    I'm in support of coordinating empowerment.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    So, you'd rather be lynched than coordinate with the town?
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    posted a message on [Primer] ~ Aluren
    Took Aluren to my weekly Tuesday event yesterday, and while I did terribly (1-3 drop), I hadn't ever actually bothered to test Carpet of Flower (partially due to not owning any), and...I regret not getting on this bandwagon sooner. The matchups were:

    Round 1 - Landstill (0-1). I never really got off the ground game 1. Game 2, I managed to stick a Magus of the Moon and Forced the first Bolt he threw at it, but he drew a second one the turn after and then managed to come back via JtMS. Carpet wasn't drawn, and I'm not sure how much it helps here even if it would give a good amount of mana.
    Round 2 - Lantern Control (1-1). My opponent was a Modern player who was trying to port Lantern Control to Legacy. He still had shocks instead of duals, but I was able to combo both games with little issue (being new, he took a Deathrite g1 on the play over Recruiter from Inquisition of Kozilek when I had both a Recruiter and Aluren in my opening hand).
    Round 3 - Grixis Delver (1-2). While I ultimately ran out of gas before stabilizing, Carpet of Flowers did so much work g2 that it more than earned its spot.
    Round 4 - Painted Stone (1-3). This matchup is pretty bad for me, partially because the guy who plays it also used to play Aluren. He can Recruiter in response to my Recruiter, and knows when to sandbag and when to go all out v the deck. I also just think the matchup is awkward because the beatdown plan is awkward against 1/3s.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    That works for me. I don't think it really matters who empowers who other than GJ/Wildfire, but having a clear plan is still better. I still want zomg to confirm that he would actually make use of the 2, though.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from Manders »
    So what do you propose the rest of us DO with our empowerment? Because ending the day with anyone not empowering someone is a terrible idea.
    I want to hear what zomg wants before I move forward with this, but if it's 2 or less, then my preference is:

    I get 2
    shadow gets 2
    tom needs 0
    Megiddo needs 0
    zomg gets 2
    Cyan gets 4
    Seppel gets 2

    That maths out to exactly the right amount of empowerment, leaving Manders, Wildfire, GJ, Anak, and Axel with 0 each. I moved Seppel down to the bottom because, assuming zomg has an ability worth empowering for 2, the other people are all better to have empowered, and worst case, if scum is lynched and unempowers, Seppel can lean on his 0. I would like Seppel's 2 empowerers to be exactly GJ and Wildfire.
    Quote from Megiddo »
    bongo despite having been chatting with you for over a Day I still feel like you don't have a lot of presence in this game.

    Why is he town?
    I find that I'm frequently scumread and mislynched when I'm more of a presence, so I decided to take a different route this game.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    His attack on me was basically blaming me that I couldn't vote more than one person at a time. I had a hierarchy, went for Bur first, and he accused me of trying to set-up Wild as another mislynch and Anak basically as a distance. It was a crap case then, and it still is now. The only reason I would even care about it would be if I thought TIM was a wolf. Considering he is a strong town read, it is more or less just "lolsTIM" and move on. Aside from a headache, there would be nothing to gain from disputing that case.
    That's definitely not what his case is. His case was that you suddenly had strong reads when they were convenient and claimed that you'd had them all along when you had made passing mentions to the people you were "scumreading". The Anak distance thing is correct, but he doesn't accuse you of trying to set up Wildfire either. He says you're lumping Bur in as an afterthought when talking about Wildfire ("whoops I should mention my "top scumread""). Also, the vote isn't the part he's complaining about, and you know it.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Also maybe he's having a conversation with a one-way chat?
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Those posts weren't there before.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    I like how you're completely trying to move past the post where Seppel brought up all the ways TIM attacked you really well.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    ok thanks for the clarification
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    I'm not sure how you categorize that as attacking.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from Anaklusmos »
    Quote from Seppel »
    I should review TIM because I don't remember why he's town.

    Also GJ has run away.


    Nope. Just yelling at high school kids to do their work.


    An oddly fitting analogy for this game currently.

    Still stand by my wanting to lynch WF. Everyone okay with him living for a day has to be okay with him shooting another townie. Doesn't matter where we empower today because we have no idea how much empowerment he has, regardless of what WF may say.

    GJ can wait, his interactions with Iso weren't great but this wagon is horrible as well.

    Not sure claiming makes sense at this point, only one scum is dead, too many ways it goes wrong still.
    What/who are you referring when you say the GJ wagon is horrible? It's basically the exact same people that were on the Wildfire wagon. I agree with the rest of your stuff on Wildfire, but I'm also curious about where you actually stand on GJ other than his interactions with Iso (and/or what about his interactions with Iso you think are of concern).
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    @Manders: I just need 2 empowerment. Anything beyond that would not be usable toNight.

    Quote from Seppel »
    Oh, it just occurred to me why GJ is losing interest in the game when we're literally on an exciting high of information:

    Inevitability.

    He's scum, and he can't see a way to win against the growing, unstoppable townbloc.
    I agree with this. Why didn't this come with a vote, though?
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Save the cheerleader, save the world?
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Setting aside my own read on him for now, you don't think that someone who can kill others but requires support from other players to do so can't be trusted to play as Vanilla? Reading him as scum is one thing, but your black and white interpretation of "have him kill or lynch him" ignores a third option. If he gets no empowerment toDay, then he shouldn't be able to quick draw. If he does still quick draw tomorrow despite receiving no empowerment, we definitely have a problem and he is insta-dead.

    I'll respond to the rest of your stuff later.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    No, it's one time ever. You can initiate it at any time, Day or Night.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    You could argue that he gets a do-over if he didn't get prior approval before initiating but that seems questionable. Worth asking, though.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    [email protected]
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    They're one-way by default, so if you responded to him, I'd check with Azrael to see where you're at.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from Seppel »
    As I see it, there's no way to pipe Shadow and GJ's info to Cythare.

    If ZOMG hasn't connected, he can connect to Cythare, and Cyan can claim to ZOMG and ZOMG can pass it to Cythare along with his own claim.

    I think Manders and WF are fully claimed, so that's taken care of.

    And lastly Axelrod needs to connect to Cythare and claim.

    From there, Cythare can evaluate the roles and find the optimal Empowerment + Night Actions.
    I'd prefer that one of Axelrod/zomg connect to Megiddo instead to minimize risk, I think?
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from Manders »
    AH, ok, my apologies.

    Yes, we are in agreement on this completely.
    Quote from Cyan »
    GJ making stuff up to try to force through a bad WF lynch. Who knew!

    This is the definition of flailing scum. GJ knows that he is getting lynched ultimately, and is just trying to pull through one more town mislynch first, by any means necessary. Especially since WF is basically the Vig.

    Also, what were you guys saying about someone claiming Miller? It's a little hard to believe that a Miller would exist when the Cop is already kind of neutered.
    Can we lynch GJ instead of Anak then? Anak is still scummy, but GJ is actively flailing.

    Unvote
    Vote Gentleman Johnny
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from Manders »
    Quote from Cythare »
    At least one of these things is pretty easy to check. Anak was Bur's counterwagon, with Tom arguably as a second counterwagon. Tordeck, Sir Chris, and Manders were the only people ever voting Wildfire on D1 vote counts.
    I'm only concerned with anything that happened on D3.

    And I already know the answer. I'm trying to make GJ see that WF was under 0 pressure on D3. Because he wasn't. No one was looking his way, except to see who he was going to kill. If he WAS under pressure, he might have listened to the consensus in choosing his target. Because he felt confident in his gut and didn't feel as if he was in danger, he decided to trust his gut.

    Of course that was the stupidest thing he could have done....but that doesn't make him Scum. It means he did a stupid thing.
    That was meant as a response to GJ, but your post got there first. I didn't remember Wildfire being a D1 counterwagon to Bur, so I went and checked and surprise Wildfire was mildly wagoned before Bur, but was not a counterwagon. GJ is trying to paint Wildfire as scum for being the counterwagon to a town flip but isn't actually checking to make sure. It looks to me like he's desperately trying to gain traction on a wagon that's tempering. I still think Wildfire is the right lynch, but am becoming more convinced by a GJ lynch if enough people don't want to lynch Wildfire.

    TLDR: Wildfire's actions are still scummy, and he should still be lynched, but GJ is grasping at the wrong straws to get there.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from Manders »
    Quote from Cythare »
    Quote from Manders »
    Quote from Cythare »
    Why is the miller thing so important to you? Does it affect your read on the slot? If TIM knew how but didn't feel it was relevant, Shrugs
    It may. Does it bother you that I am asking?
    No, it just seems like a weird thing to care about right now. TIM said that it didn't matter at the time and you didn't follow up until right after his replacement came in.
    I'm fairly certain I said something along the lines of "Fair enough."

    Regardless, I'm done talking about it until he responds.
    I feel like "fair enough" in this scenario would usually mean "I'm fine leaving this alone", but I'm ok with tabling this until zomg responds.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    At least one of these things is pretty easy to check. Anak was Bur's counterwagon, with Tom arguably as a second counterwagon. Tordeck, Sir Chris, and Manders were the only people ever voting Wildfire on D1 vote counts.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    So I guess it kind of does, now that I think about it.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from Manders »
    Quote from Cythare »
    Why is the miller thing so important to you? Does it affect your read on the slot? If TIM knew how but didn't feel it was relevant, Shrugs
    It may. Does it bother you that I am asking?
    No, it just seems like a weird thing to care about right now. TIM said that it didn't matter at the time and you didn't follow up until right after his replacement came in.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Why is the miller thing so important to you? Does it affect your read on the slot? If TIM knew how but didn't feel it was relevant, Shrugs
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Change it?
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Also, I'm not sure how my response was interpreted as being on board, but I'll follow up once Azrael confirms something for me.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Something relevant like double-checking your gut when it went against the read of basically everyone in the game?
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Regarding today's lynch, I think that either lynching wildfire or lynching gj and giving wildfire no empowerment works. My preference is Wildfire since he killed a decidedly town D_V and didn't think to check with another player to get a second opinion (he could have even used a one-way chat to ask for any other player's opinion on him but went solo instead).

    @Wildfire: Have you connected to another player with your one-way chat? If so, who? If not, why not?
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from Seppel »
    Hey I got an idea.

    So I'm pretty much confirmed town. So is Megiddo.

    Everyone connect to Megiddo and claim in secret.

    Megiddo will connect to me and pipe that information to me. We will figure out the optimal use of empowerment and keep it secret from the scum using ciphers. (Az has said that we can't cipher role info, but we can cipher commands, etc.)

    This way we can literally coordinate night actions and send along our night results without it being public who is doing what. With two points of failure (Megs and I), the mafia (hopefully) can't shut us both out in a single night, and thus everything stays secret and in the hands of the town.

    Wow. Is everyone on board with this? If not, state why not. If you post without saying you're not on board, you are considered on board.
    Megiddo's already connected to me. We've been two-way chatting since D1.
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from tomsloger »
    Quote from Cythare »
    I'm not claiming until tomorrow.
    i know your role
    :p
    I figured as much considering discussions.
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    I'm not claiming until tomorrow.
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    @Proph: Tom confirmed that he couldn't empower D2, since Manders took his ability to for the Day.
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Yeah, it was the literal worst when I was like "well, I'm the doc, I can claim this and at least get some heat off me temporarily"

    surprise, there's another doc
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    I'm mobile or I would have formatted that better.
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    I mean, I don't see a scenario where you flip scum, but I have been a scum doctor before (in a game that also had a town doctor). http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/520088-futurama-the-hostile-takeover-game-over-mafia-win
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from D_V »
    Quote from Manders »
    Quote from D_V »
    Someone needs to make dank memes to lynch GJ and to lynch WF now.
    If one of them is Town (doubtful, but for arguments' sake), who would you pick next?

    Shadow or Anak?

    Uhhh Cyan?

    Maybe?

    Axel?

    IDK I would legit flip a coin.

    the ol' 4-sided coin
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from D_V »
    Someone needs to make dank memes to lynch GJ and to lynch WF now.
    This is Proph's job.
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Whoops, #1800 was @Manders, in case it was unclear.
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    I'm not arguing that he's not the lynch or that we should be hemming or hawing. I just want to play it safe and provide him the opportunity to put the info into the thread for later. The info he's provided isn't exactly useful or compelling, though, which is a further indication he's scum.

    I'm not really getting the stick to your guns part of your statement, but that's not really relevant to this discussion now.
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    posting again because the forum index won't recognize that the above post exists
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    idk why you don't want more information

    worst case, we ignore the information

    I'm not arguing to spare him (see: where I said he claimed scum with this move and voted him), but like, if he's Town, we can take his thoughts into account, and if he's Scum, we can review it for links.
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Also, not to sound like a broken record, but I'd love 2 empowerment again. I'll trade with you if you want, Seppel.

    Empower Seppel
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Based on your list, D_V, are you advocating not lynching Wildfire today? Or did your opinion on his alignment solidify with #1774?
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Full card list
    Quote from thatmarkguy »
    Um, Crackdown Construct? Any 0-activation nonmana ability and it goes infinite?


    Crackdown Construct 4
    Artifact Creature

    Whenever you activate an ability of an artifact or creature that isn't a mana ability, Crackdown Construct gets +1/+1 until end of turn.
    2/2



    Just add Kor.
    I wonder how often people in Limited are going to miss that crewing a Vehicle triggers this.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from Manders »
    Quote from Azrael »
    A QUICKDRAW HAS ENSUED BETWEEN Wildfire AND DV!!!

    The Rules:

    If DV votes for Wildfire first, Wildfire will die.

    If Wildfire votes DV first, DV will die.

    Be quick, or be dead.
    I ******* told you guys. Unvote Vote: Wildfire

    Quote from Cythare »
    I'm pretty baffled right now. Agreed that D_V is Townie #1, but I'm surprised that Wildfire is openly claiming scum. It's worth noting that Wildfire did have D_V in his "likely scum" bucket from a month ago, but...yeah.

    Unvote
    Vote Wildfire
    No, that is not worth noting. He went against the wishes of the majority and hit THE MOST TOWN PERSON IN THE ******* GAME. I don't give a ***** if he's been screaming DV's Scum for a year, that is NOT how you play a vig.

    IF Wildfire is Town, he just proved he's dangerous and untrustworthy. He has to go.
    Yes, it is. I get the rest of everything you said, because it echoes what was already said, but I brought it up in hopes that he would try spilling more information into the thread to justify his read/actions. You'd rather it not be brought up why?
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    I'm pretty baffled right now. Agreed that D_V is Townie #1, but I'm surprised that Wildfire is openly claiming scum. It's worth noting that Wildfire did have D_V in his "likely scum" bucket from a month ago, but...yeah.

    Unvote
    Vote Wildfire
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from Manders »
    Quote from Cythare »
    No, I get that you're doing a full reread and are addressing me in the bolded part. I was circling back to the only other thing that you stated in your post that would indicate why you might have changed your stance on Cyan.

    I don't really have anything to say about what you said about me.

    So are you wanting to know why I changed my mind about Cyan being Scum? I'm so confused...
    Yes, I want to understand what led to your change from saying he's Town to saying he's Scum, because otherwise it just looks like an about-face that is missing concrete reasons.
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from Manders »
    Quote from Cythare »
    Quote from Manders »
    Quote from Cythare »
    Quote from Manders »
    Though I will add that Cythare's post where he voted me was concerning for the reasons I pointed out. (Misrepped information)
    I misrepped you? Your logic for voting him based off thinking Tordeck was the D1 lynch seems like a stretch. His response just looks like a heated/knee-jerk reaction to your post where he just didn't take the time to fact check before posting. I don't see how this is scummy - it looks like it's alignment-agnostic to me.
    That is not why I voted him. It was one symptom.

    In my re-read (which I am continuing), I'm seeing a lot out of you of this ilk: where you subtly modify what others have said/done to fit your stance. This, alone, is NAI, but it should be noted.
    I recognize that you also said that you were 200 posts into rereading, but don't provide any actual reasons from the review that indicate your thought process here. Between the timing and the language of your post, the "I'm rereading him" looks like an afterthought to his Tordeck/Bur flub.

    Where did I say I was re-reading Cyan? I'm re-reading the whole game (and am on page 16 now) and was talking about you in the bolded portion.
    No, I get that you're doing a full reread and are addressing me in the bolded part. I was circling back to the only other thing that you stated in your post that would indicate why you might have changed your stance on Cyan.

    I don't really have anything to say about what you said about me.

    Quote from Manders »
    Quote from Manders »
    Re: the Seppel thing: Idk about your detrimental truthfulness. In a vacuum, lying about it would make sense to me, but I don't know your style.
    Well, duh. We've never played together.

    Why don't you ask Seppel about this? Why are you only asking me?
    I'm not asking you, you informed me. My intial statement "I'm not sure why you're surprised that Seppel didn't take you at your word." was rhetorical, because of course you don't take someone you think is scum at their word.
    You asked me why he should believe me. I told you why, but that wasn't good enough for you.
    It's not that your answer isn't good enough - it's that I wasn't looking for an answer, for the reasons I've stated. It just seemed like a basic thing to not take someone you're scumreading at their word. I'm not sure why you're getting frustrated about this - it's not a personal slight.
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from Manders »
    Quote from Cythare »
    Quote from Manders »
    Though I will add that Cythare's post where he voted me was concerning for the reasons I pointed out. (Misrepped information)
    I misrepped you? Your logic for voting him based off thinking Tordeck was the D1 lynch seems like a stretch. His response just looks like a heated/knee-jerk reaction to your post where he just didn't take the time to fact check before posting. I don't see how this is scummy - it looks like it's alignment-agnostic to me.
    That is not why I voted him. It was one symptom.

    In my re-read (which I am continuing), I'm seeing a lot out of you of this ilk: where you subtly modify what others have said/done to fit your stance. This, alone, is NAI, but it should be noted.
    I recognize that you also said that you were 200 posts into rereading, but don't provide any actual reasons from the review that indicate your thought process here. Between the timing and the language of your post, the "I'm rereading him" looks like an afterthought to his Tordeck/Bur flub.

    Quote from Manders »
    Re: the Seppel thing: Idk about your detrimental truthfulness. In a vacuum, lying about it would make sense to me, but I don't know your style.
    Well, duh. We've never played together.

    Why don't you ask Seppel about this? Why are you only asking me?
    I'm not asking you, you informed me. My intial statement "I'm not sure why you're surprised that Seppel didn't take you at your word." was rhetorical, because of course you don't take someone you think is scum at their word.
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from Manders »
    Though I will add that Cythare's post where he voted me was concerning for the reasons I pointed out. (Misrepped information)
    I misrepped you? Your logic for voting him based off thinking Tordeck was the D1 lynch seems like a stretch. His response just looks like a heated/knee-jerk reaction to your post where he just didn't take the time to fact check before posting. I don't see how this is scummy - it looks like it's alignment-agnostic to me.

    Re: the Seppel thing: Idk about your detrimental truthfulness. In a vacuum, lying about it would make sense to me, but I don't know your style.
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Yeah, wagon was super fast, but I stand by my vote. I'd also like to see Wildfire shoot before moving too quickly toDay.
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from D_V »
    Quote from Prophylaxis »
    Ooh the scum must be incredibly tilted with the nightkill failing.

    Wildfire should shoot Anak with his QUICK DRAW ability.

    I'd expect night actions to maybe resolve things though.


    No Anak's town with that Empowerer.

    I'm curious why you think that empower makes Anak town. I know that you said yesterday that he could have just lurked and it would have been fine, but it's also easy to just show up and empower you for town points. I recall you thinking he was scummy before, and I can't see that one action being confirmatory. Did you also reread and change your mind or is it based solely on that action?
    Quote from Manders »
    Quote from Seppel »
    I blasted away Manders's passives last night.
    I told you on Day 1 I didn't have any passive abilities. Why did you waste your ability?

    Expect a BIG post from me asap.

    I'm not sure why you're surprised that Seppel didn't take you at your word.
    Quote from Manders »
    Quote from Cyan »
    Quote from Manders »
    Day 1:
    Quote from Azrael »
    Official Vote Count:
    Bur- Iso, Cyan
    Manders - Seppel, TheIceMan, Sir Chris
    Tom - Anak , Axelrod
    Anak - Shadow, GJ
    GJ - Cythare, Tom
    9 to lynch

    Quote from Azrael »
    Official Vote Count:
    GJ - Cythare, Tom, Sir Chris
    Anak - Shadow, GJ, Cyan
    Manders - Seppel
    Bur- Iso
    Tom - Anak
    Axelrod- DV
    Sir Chris- Axelrod
    Tom- TheIceMan
    9 to lynch

    Quote from Azrael »
    Official Vote Count:
    Manders - Seppel, shadow, Tom
    Wildfire- Manders, Sir Chris, Tordeck
    Anak - GJ, Cyan
    GJ - Cythare
    DV - Wildfire
    Tom - Ana
    Sir Chris- Axelrod
    Shadowlancer - TheIceMan
    9 to lynch

    Quote from Azrael »
    Official Vote Count:
    Tordeck-DV, Cyan, anak, manders, tom
    Bur- GJ, shadow
    Wildfire- Sir Chris, Tordeck
    Manders - Seppel
    Anak - GJ
    Anak -Cythare
    DV - Wildfire
    Sir Chris- Axelrod
    Shadowlancer - TheIceMan
    9 to lynch

    Quote from Azrael »
    Official Vote Count:
    Bur- GJ, shadow, Seppel, Manders, Anak
    Anak-Cythare, Cyan, DV
    Wildfire- Sir Chris, Tordeck,
    Tordeck-tom
    DV- Wildfire
    Sir Chris- Axelrod
    Shadowlancer- TheIceMan

    9 to lynch

    Quote from Azrael »
    Official Vote Count:
    Bur- GJ, shadow, Anak, seppel
    Anak-Cythare, Cyan, DV, manders
    Wildfire- Sir Chris, Tordeck
    GJ - TheIceMan, tom
    DV- Wildfire
    Sir Chris- Axelrod
    9 to lynch

    Quote from Azrael »
    Official Vote Count:
    Bur- GJ, shadow, Anak, seppel
    Tom- Wildfire, Tordeck, Cyan
    Anak-Cythare, manders
    GJ - TheIceMan, tom
    Sir Chris- Axelrod
    WF - Sir Chris
    9 to lynch

    Quote from Azrael »

    Official Vote Count:
    Bur- GJ, shadow, Anak, seppel, Todeck, Iso, DV, Bur, Manders
    Tom- Wildfire, Cyan
    Anak-Cythare
    GJ - TheIceMan, tom
    Sir Chris- Axelrod
    WF - Sir Chris
    9 to lynch

    Day 2:
    Quote from Azrael »
    Official Vote Count:
    GJ - TIM, Tom
    Anak - Manders, Iso, Cyan
    Wildfire - GJ, Cythare
    Tom- DV
    Tordeck - WF
    8 to lynch

    Quote from Azrael »
    Official Vote Count:
    Iso - Seppel, TIM, Cyan, Tom
    Anak - Manders, Iso
    Wildfire - Cythare
    Tom- DV
    With 13 alive, 7 to lynch

    Quote from Azrael »

    Official Vote Count:
    Iso - Seppel, TIM, Cyan, Tom, Shadowlancer
    Anak - Manders, Iso
    Wildfire - Cythare
    Tom- DV
    With 13 alive, 7 to lynch

    Quote from Azrael »
    Official Vote Count:
    Iso - Seppel, TIM, Cyan, Tom, Shadowlancer
    Anak - Manders, Iso, cythare
    Tom- DV
    With 13 alive, 7 to lynch

    Quote from Azrael »
    Official Vote Count:
    Iso - Seppel, TIM, Cyan, Tom, Anak, Shadowlancer, GJ
    Anak - Manders, Iso, cythare
    Manders- DV
    With 13 alive, 7 to lynch

    Quote from Azrael »
    Official Vote Count:
    Iso - Seppel, TIM, Cyan, Tom, Anak, Shadowlancer, GJ
    Anak - Manders, Iso, cythare
    Manders- DV
    With 13 alive, 7 to lynch

    Day 3:
    Quote from Azrael »
    Official Vote Count:
    GJ - Tom, DV, Seppel
    Tom - Cyan
    With 12 alive, 7 to lynch
    OK, so based solely on the vote counts themselves, here are the notable things I saw:

    • The ONLY two people Iso voted for in the vote counts are Bur and Anak.
    • When Bur was lynched, those on his wagon were: GJ, shadow, Anak, Seppel, Tordeck, Iso, DV, Bur, and Manders. The only unknown alignments here are GJ, shadow, Anak, Seppel, and DV. Since Iso was Scum, there could be up to 3 more amongst those 5.
    • I remember a lot of “LET’S LYNCH ANAK” from a lot of players, but the only ones who ever cast any votes on him D1 were Shadow, GJ, Cyan, Cythare, DV, and myself. Only one alignment is known there, and that’s mine (so only known to me.)
    • Axelrod was voting for Sir Chris as of VC 2 and continued to do so for the rest of the Day. Couple that with how easily and confidently he called me Town so early on, and his not being involved in D2 at all, and I’ve got my eye on him. (Yes, I know, holidays, but still it must be noted. He could have used that as an excuse.)
    • DV, Cyan, Anak, myself and Tom all voted for Tordeck at one point.

    Why do this, you may be asking? It doesn’t tell me a WHOLE lot, but it does give me questions to ask myself while re-reading:

    1. Who interacted with Iso, and how?
    2. What, if anything, was really going on with that Axelrod/Sir Chris back-and-forth?
    3. Did Iso talk a lot about Anak on D1 but never vote him, as I seem to recall?
    4. Why did Scum kill Sir Chris N1?
    5. Why is DV considered Town again?
    6. Did Iso convince me Cyan was Town to throw me off the scent?
    7. Why DID Seppel waste his ability N2?
    I think that’s a good place to start.


    2 billion words and you said actual nothing. On top of acting terribly toward Iso and just snap-lynching claimed BG Tordeck. Unvote, Vote MH
    Quote from Cyan »
    Tordeck or bur or whomever was lynched D1.
    Tordeck wasn't lynched. Way to pay attention to the game.

    Vote: Cyan

    I only thought you were Town because I thought Iso was Town and he convinced me you were Town. I'm 200 posts into my re-read and already thinking I was wrong.

    Quote from Anaklusmos »
    Quote from Seppel »
    I blasted away Manders's passives last night.


    Wasn't your ability a trade of passives between players? So who did you swap her with? Or will you finally just start telling the truth?

    Oh look Manders is still scum, neat. Vote Manders

    You were convinced ISO was town, and were wrong. Afaik your reasoning was more or less he didn't feel like scum. Now after a bit of a reread you are convinced Tom is town. Your reads feel artificial, like you are just making them up to just make yourself look better instead of actually trying to find scum.
    At least I have ******* reads. You've been completely uninvolved this entire game and have skated by while doing the bare minimum.

    Cyan and Anak are my top Scum reads, along with some big time leaning Scum on Axelrod and Wildfire.

    Re-read still coming, but I'm going home right now.
    Cyan didn't say that Tordeck was the D1 lynch. He said "Tordeck or bur or whomever". This seems like a stretch to find a justification for a vote and the OMGUS here is pretty strong.
    Quote from D_V »
    Quote from Cyan »
    You know what. Let's really take this apart.

    MH asserts that I was involved with the Bur wagon, and stopped being involved when Bur claimed. What really happened was that Bur made a scummy post, which I voted him for. He posted again without saying much, but Anak continued to be scummier, and I moved my vote back to him in my next post. I literally voted Tordeck as well before Bur ever claimed.

    Oh and also, re: Anak. I completely initigated the Anak wagon. 100%. You are trying to give credit to DV, but regarding that wagon, DV literally says:


    That's funny I was thinking the same thing, I also agreed with Cyan on Anak as well.


    So yeah. Your case on me is absolutely flailing garbage. Get lynched scum.

    Yeah this was the hilarity to me. I'm not 100% sure why manders would miss this.

    Cyan literally unvoted Anak to Vote Anak.

    He's been so locked onto Anak this game.

    Its all about Anak.
    Anak.
    Anak.
    Anak.
    It is all about Anak, but do you think this means that he's been turbobussing Anak the whole time or has latched onto one strong read for the game?

    Empower D_V
    Vote Manders
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    I've stated that I'm fine moving forward with this lynch, but am waiting for people to sort out empowerment.
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    also thanks for the revisionisht hsthory
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    help i'm drunk and hanging out with my sil
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Pus pus pus gushing everywhere

    I'm drunk and got into a fight with my wife at my in-laws
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from Iso »
    Okay, I think the below team falls into place with my current worldview:

    Axelrod
    Seppel
    Anaklusmos
    And one of Cyan/TIM/Cythare

    I've explained the former three, already, in various places and to varying degrees; so, let's look at the latter three, a bit.

    Cyan's checked out of the game, for the most part. He quit Mafia and came back for the Invitational and this game, blah blah. I get that he's disengaged for whatever OoG reasons, but that has no bearing on his alignment and unfortunately he just hasn't given me enough one way or the other. Obviously I still think his early Manders approach looks town for him, but that's really the only thing I've seen from him that sticks out to m- oh wait Cyan likes Anak for scum. Hm. I guess that could have been an early bus? He did seem eager to jump off of Anak and on to me. Was Cyan also voting for Bur? If so, that strongly suggests Cyan/Anak as a scum pairing - and I've seen nothing from Anak that particularly compels me to change my read on him. If Anak flips town, I think it makes Cyan slightly less likely to be scum, actually, because I don't think scumCyan leaves his sweet spot on the Anak wagon just to hop on the Iso train as it's gaining momentum.

    TIM...how to explain this? TIM's posts have read as town to me primarily because he seems to be viewing the game in the way that I am. I'm reading posts, having internal reactions to them, and then I read TIM's posts, and my initial reactions are almost always reflected in what I then read in TIM's following posts. That said, while the more visceral stuff is on-point, I feel like TIM's analysis has been weird, at best. Beyond our initial shared reactions to posts, it's like he spends time thinking about the game, and then arrives at the opposite conclusion that I do, which is worrisome, because I'm Iso and can do no wrong. I realize this is a pretty vague explanation without pointing out specific examples of this, but I guess the Anak analysis is the first thing that comes to mind regarding this. Which brings me to my next point: TIM spent an entire post talking about Anak's play all game...and then just sort of goes, "Eh, whatever" and votes me in spite of all of the effort he put forth in the post to analyze Anak. Like...what? Give me more than that - at least something more solid than a Don't mind me, I'm just sitting here would contribute something to the game, instead of saying "HERE'S ALL THIS STUFF ABOUT ANAK but eh I'm just gonna say we should lynch Iso because I haven't read his bigposts." Am I insane, here? Is that not strange?

    Cythare, I feel like hasn't had much of a presence all game, mostly because I still don't remember anything he's posted - and I'm pretty sure I've even talked to him, at some point, as well. I think he asked me a question or something. Maybe he asked a general question about the game and I answered? I dunno. This is a PoE read, at this point.

    Anyway, given the above, I think it's still pertinent for us to lynch Anak toDay, which I believe will give us insight on Cyan, as well.
    Iso, I'm still here just because you can't recall me. I know that you said I was neutral for this before, and now it just looks like you're reaching for reads. I went back to see if I had actually missed you asking me something, because I don't recall you doing so. Given how much you provided for the others, my placement there really just looks like "oh, and here's another person I can provide that hopefully can be mislynched down the road". Also, the part about TIM comes across...off to me.

    I've been uninterested in moving forward with this lynch because I felt that Anak/Wildfire were better (and still feel like we should be lynching Wildfire over Iso because they're both likely and Wildfire's role seems more dangerous than Iso's), but I'm fine with just lynching Iso. I do still want us all to sort out empowerment first.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    What's with all the "come at me bro"s itt

    Iso, I'm also interested in your scumreads atm, as well as what caused your 180 on tom. It's...abrupt, to say the least. Your response to tom is vague.
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    i'm kinda tired of this list thing
    Posted in: Mafia
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    His first post of the day looked promising, but I haven't been moved by his play otherwise toDay, and this post is another example of scummy play to me. What from his play toDay has made you feel this way?
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Quote from Anaklusmos »
    Tordeck flipping town makes Iso look all the more like the scum vote on Bur. I just don't see all town voting him straight in a row like that.

    His reaction to being the wagon is poor as well, yelling at people to play and saying there is no wagon is not town behavior. Sure, nobody crafted a huge post against you, but there is certainly a wagon and pretending there isn't doesn't help.

    @Manders do you feel Iso is town because he is calling you town? That's silly of course, but saying you don't feel him as scum and then moving on without giving any reason at all why means I will make up my own silly reason.

    WF choosing Tordeck I am good with, I strongly was suspecting Tordeck after Manders. As for WF himself, bumps him up a couple pegs, his willingness to sacrifice himself doesn't strike me as scum. Especially using it now when he isn't the focus of the game.

    @Tom Knowing that's the obvious scum spec play, wouldn't it make sense to do the opposite and calmly case people? In essence, isn't that WIFOM?
    I have some issues with this post.

    -The first part reads like you know there's one scum vote on the Bur wagon.
    -When addressing Iso, saying that something "doesn't help" when you're talking to someone that you have a (lean) scumread is weird language choice. It reads like a softball.
    -The Manders part also reads like a giant softball to someone who last I checked is your top scum read.
    -Not sure how quickdrawing with a lurker bumps WF up a few pegs - Wildfire has been one of the focuses today, and he was on the hook to use his ability based on discussion yesterDay.
    -Idc about the tom part.

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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    That was about my own post, not yours Cyan. I do see more where you're coming from, though.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    Wow that post has a lot of soft language.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    So, as a note, while I still believe that Wildfire's the correct choice, I feel like Prophylaxis stating that Wildfire's claiming scum because of Tordeck's role feels somewhat disingenuous.
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    posted a message on Disinheritance Mafia - Day 3
    thanks cyan

    please review the rest of what's happening
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