You are very vulnerable to artifact hate, but I am not sure how to solve that problem, Hurkyl's deals with your Blightsteel and Vandalblast would be a tremendous blowout (if it see's much play). Reasonably solid build otherwise. G/W Hate bears with things like Aven Mindcensor, Thalia, Dryad Militant and Stony Silence could cause you problems. If you run into too much bounce ala Hurkyl's, Chain of Vapor or other problems such as creature hate Swords, then you might consider going with the main deck Inkwell.
(...) might I ask what Fastbond and the singleton Gush are in there for? They're undoubtedly great cards but I'm not sure what they're doing in this deck other than being useful if you can get them in a Yawgmoth's Will turn.
One of the problems I've found when running decks which are very much focused around Tinker is that if it's countered it's pretty much gone and you have to resort to a back up plan. For that reason you may wish to consider maybe one more recursion card - I'd suggest Noxious Revival, due to its sheer versatility and the fact that you can cast it without even spending mana.
I hope that helps!
Thank you for your answers!
I had actually thought about Noxious Revial in the deck, just didn't have any place for it. I guess I could remove the single Gust for that.
Fastbond was as you said for either some Yawgmoth's Will Shenanigans or an explosive start (more Island + Gush could also be nice with it but I guess I just don't have the tools for that). I'm wondering if I could add some Gush actually, what do you think?
Personally I would find a way to run Empty the Warrens. I dont know how difficult it is for you to get a high enough storm count for a tendrils win. But I would suspect its much harder in a non powered deck. With warrens you dont need to get a huge count, but just enough to make an army of gobos to kill in a few turns with.
Also, I looked at this deck earlier and though to myself that Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas might work well in here. It can make your little artifact dudes 5/5's, the drawing it creates for artifacts is actually really nice, and its ultimate is another woncon.
Running Tinker without Jewelery seems like a poor idea. Like a really bad one.
Artifact lands are also very bad in vintage as stony silence and Null rod are really strong even in non powered metas.
If you are intent though, Might I recommend you take a look at your list and ang yourself if you should not just run affinity pieces in it. You are already runnign memnite and Ornithopter. Its not much of a stretch to get cranial plating, thoughtcast, and etched champion in the list.
Etched Champion BTW is insane in some matchups. Most people just have nothing they can do against it.
With all those artifacts you can throw in a tinker, blightsteel, and the usual suspects and pretty safely assume you will win some match ups.
If you are intent though, Might I recommend you take a look at your list and ang yourself if you should not just run affinity pieces in it. You are already runnign memnite and Ornithopter. Its not much of a stretch to get cranial plating, thoughtcast, and etched champion in the list.
Etched Champion BTW is insane in some matchups. Most people just have nothing they can do against it.
With all those artifacts you can throw in a tinker, blightsteel, and the usual suspects and pretty safely assume you will win some match ups.
Thank you for the reply, that's a very interesting idea I'm not sure what to drop and how to fix the list for that yet but it's nice.
> urweak: I will try this. Tezz is a nice idea, thanks
> Killae: I thought about that but with my current manabase I will have a hard time to not kill myself I think Maybe when I'll get proper duals.
if your seeking a tinker deck, I'd go with a mud stax style with lands like ancient tomb and with kuldotha forgemaster. Artifact hate is out there and a good offense is a good defense. Set up the board with non artifact hate and spell hate like lodestone golem etc and go mono blue for mystical tutor and counter magic FoW. And maybe splice black for vamp/dem tutor. Don't be afraid to plat artifacts. There's hate for everything, so hate everything back. Slow the opponent down while doing as you please
I'm trying to do this with no P9 cards (or really expensive cards)
Here's what I'm planning so far for a Tinker list:
(I have most of this, I'm missing around ~100-150$ worth of stuff)
1 Blightsteel Colossus
4 Memnite
4 Ornithopter
Non-Creatures Spells (26):
1 Brainstorm
1 Ponder
4 Preordain
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Gush
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Tinker
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Duress
1 Flusterstorm
2 Spell Pierce
1 Regrowth
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Fastbond
Artifacts (5):
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mox Opal
1 Sol Ring
2 Talisman of Dominance
Lands (20):
2 Breeding Pool
3 Island
3 Misty Rainforest
4 Seat of the Synod
1 Swamp
4 Vault of Whispers
3 Watery Grave
1 Inkwell Leviathan
2 Duress
2 Hurkyl's Recall
3 Nature's Claim
1 Praetor's Grasp
2 Pithing Needle
2 Tormod's Crypt
1 Yixlid Jailer
Breeding Pool and Watery Grave will eventually become:
2 Tropical Island
3 Underground Sea
Also, I added the 2 Talisman to have a more consistent hand Mana wise.
Here's some stuff that I've considered for the deck.
Considered (Budget):
1 Thoughtseize
1 Gush
1 Echoing Truth
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Strip Mine
1 Mana Vault
1 Sensie's Divining Top
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Gifts Ungiven
Please tell me what you think, and how I could improve it
Please also note that it's for a Meta without P9 in general.
Thank you!
- Mez
Thank you for your answers!
I had actually thought about Noxious Revial in the deck, just didn't have any place for it. I guess I could remove the single Gust for that.
Fastbond was as you said for either some Yawgmoth's Will Shenanigans or an explosive start (more Island + Gush could also be nice with it but I guess I just don't have the tools for that). I'm wondering if I could add some Gush actually, what do you think?
For now my plan B is the obvious Tendrils of Agony
Thank you also for your comment Beralt.
Personally I would find a way to run Empty the Warrens. I dont know how difficult it is for you to get a high enough storm count for a tendrils win. But I would suspect its much harder in a non powered deck. With warrens you dont need to get a huge count, but just enough to make an army of gobos to kill in a few turns with.
Also, I looked at this deck earlier and though to myself that Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas might work well in here. It can make your little artifact dudes 5/5's, the drawing it creates for artifacts is actually really nice, and its ultimate is another woncon.
BUWGRChilds PlayGRWUB
BUWGR Highlander GRWUB
UBSquee's Shapeshifting PetBU
BW Multiplayer Control WB
RG Changeling GR
UR Mana FlareRU
UMerfolkU
B MBMC B
Artifact lands are also very bad in vintage as stony silence and Null rod are really strong even in non powered metas.
If you are intent though, Might I recommend you take a look at your list and ang yourself if you should not just run affinity pieces in it. You are already runnign memnite and Ornithopter. Its not much of a stretch to get cranial plating, thoughtcast, and etched champion in the list.
Etched Champion BTW is insane in some matchups. Most people just have nothing they can do against it.
With all those artifacts you can throw in a tinker, blightsteel, and the usual suspects and pretty safely assume you will win some match ups.
Http://www.fantasticneighborhood.com/
Comedy gaming podcast. Listening to it makes you cool.
- Willy Wonka
The Quote function doesn't work for me on this forum. Sorry for any confusion created.
Thank you for the reply, that's a very interesting idea I'm not sure what to drop and how to fix the list for that yet but it's nice.
> urweak: I will try this. Tezz is a nice idea, thanks
> Killae: I thought about that but with my current manabase I will have a hard time to not kill myself I think Maybe when I'll get proper duals.
Thanks for the replies so far
https://www.facebook.com/clymer.hammitt/media_set?set=a.356235817917819.1073741833.100005942112103&type=3
OTHER ORIGINAL COMIC UNRELATED TO MAGIC: 5Head©
https://www.facebook.com/clymer.hammitt/media_set?set=a.110946379113432.1073741826.100005942112103&type=3
If you enjoy these, feel free to add me as a friend and get notified when new comics are loaded