I play MTG since Ice Age, stopped like 4-5 years ago couse where I live, never had Vintage tournaments.
But MTGO made me smile again last weekend. With P9 online, I started playin again (ok, still need spend money to get p9 and stuff) and noticed some decks like MUD, Jace, PW control...but never saw a Parfait!
I played old version (K-run version) and was amazing, but want know if its still playable again this version or still need update it. Or can be honest and say its impossible play with Parfait in new scenario.
Spells (37)
1 Black Lotus
4 Mox Diamond
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Sapphire
4 Scroll Rack
1 Sol Ring
1 Trinisphere
1 Zuran Orb
4 Aura of Silence
4 Land Tax
1 Seal of Cleansing
2 Abeyance
3 Argivian Find
1 Enlightened Tutor
2 Orim's Chant
3 Swords to Plowshares
1 Balance
Sideboard(16 and i think he forgot to cut 1)
1 Jester's Cap
2 Pithing Needle
3 Tormod's Crypt
2 Moat
2 Rule of Law
1 Wheel of Sun and Moon
2 Abeyance
2 Orim's Chant
1 Swords to Plowshares
I love parfait and ran a parfait deck for a long time. One thing that I found though is it has a hard time dealing with planeswalkers. Possible answers (that also hit Emrakul) are Oblivion Rings (dies to Abrupt Decay) or Council's Judgment (new & untested). Also keep in mind that Enlightened Tutor is no longer restricted, so you can run more of a tool box in the enchantment and artifact spots. Some sideboard options to consider:
Leyline of Sanctity - I bought 4 of these when they were a new thing. I put 1 main and 2 on the side. The 4th sat in a binder till they skyrockted in price and I sold it. Four is overkill in this deck, but 1-3 are nice.
Mox Opal should be easy for you to turn on, if you wanted another mox.
You could also easily splash tutors from other colors since you're running 4 any color mox + alltheothermoxes. (Vampiric Tutor or Gamble are nice unconditional tutors that work well in this deck). Blood Moon can be nice against some decks too, but in a full powered meta it's less useful. Engineered Explosives are also playable.
You'll also soon find that Abrupt Decay hits most of your permanents, so that's a thing. Not really something to be too concerned about but something to keep in mind. Mental Misstep is also heavily played.
Spirit of the Labyrinth and Thalia are new cards to keep in mind if you're building this now. I don't have any experience with these. I ran a creatureless combo version. Once you start adding these you start to morph into monowhite hate bears aka death and taxes. Phyrexian Revoker is another one.
You might have problems with Goblins and Fish. Canonist might slow them down, but Aether Vial let's them just pop into play. Orim's Chant should help that matchup though.
Most of parfait that i see are legacy or now this hatebear version.
Its classic parfait too out from current meta? not worth play it now couse its useless?
thats why this hatebear version?
cya
I think in general there are just more creatures in vintage than there used to be. Power creep has made them better, and it's very tempting to go the hate bears direction due to the good number of two drops with awesome abilities. Personally I prefer parfait as either low creatures or none. I think you can still make an argument that a creatureless deck blanks all of your opponent's creature removal while making your own Balance more powerful, but that seems to be the opposite direction that most of vintage has taken. I think the traditional parfait with Humility or even Godhead of Awe is pretty awesome, but I haven't followed any results, so I don't know how competitive it is now.
You're already running 8 creatures, so why not add some others with good abilities that shut down your opponents? This was just spoiled for M15, and yet again hate bears looks valid...
My idea its no creatures to be honest...i love classic parfait.
On STG article that Menendian wrote, he said that could handle aggros with Zuran Orb + Land Tax. But i love humility, so if i run humily + moat i will break cannonist and i think wont need terminus.
Im thinkin about Jace and blue splash on deck, but not sure. Or black like I saw an 2008 version with Chains of Mephistopheles and Dark Confidant.
Im trin to focus on Parfait and make competitive again. And until now just can go until basic cards like:
4 Land Tax
3 Scroll Rack
3 Swords to Plowshares
1 Balance
1 Solitary Confinement
2 Abeyance
2 Orim Chance / Silence
x Zuran Orb
Couse after i finish decklist but always miss win condition hahaha.
I broke it apart about 8 months or so ago because I had sunk a ton of money into "pimping it out" and realized I needed money and could invest in other cards if I took it apart. If I were to put it back together I would want council's judgment. It would be difficult/costly to rebuild, but it was fun to play. I was also looking at possibly getting Wheel of Sun and Moon to replace Feldon's Cane or as a board option vs dredge.
Devastating Dreams is sort of a pet card that I had 4x in foil. I played it as Armageddon/Wrath of God. My favorite play with it, someone went infinite with Worldgorger, and then animated Sliver Queen and went to scoop their cards. He didn't have haste so I made him declare a number for the tokens and pass the turn. Then I taxed, drew and cast devastating dreams for x=7. But normally X is just enough to kill goblins or all of the lands.
I think it should also have Pithing Needle or some way to turn off Griselbrand as it has become a major Oath target.
I play MTG since Ice Age, stopped like 4-5 years ago couse where I live, never had Vintage tournaments.
But MTGO made me smile again last weekend. With P9 online, I started playin again (ok, still need spend money to get p9 and stuff) and noticed some decks like MUD, Jace, PW control...but never saw a Parfait!
I played old version (K-run version) and was amazing, but want know if its still playable again this version or still need update it. Or can be honest and say its impossible play with Parfait in new scenario.
Parfait - Stephen Menendian
Lands (15)
10 Plains
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
Creatures (8)
4 Ethersworn Canonist
4 Aven Mindcensor
Spells (37)
1 Black Lotus
4 Mox Diamond
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Sapphire
4 Scroll Rack
1 Sol Ring
1 Trinisphere
1 Zuran Orb
4 Aura of Silence
4 Land Tax
1 Seal of Cleansing
2 Abeyance
3 Argivian Find
1 Enlightened Tutor
2 Orim's Chant
3 Swords to Plowshares
1 Balance
Sideboard(16 and i think he forgot to cut 1)
1 Jester's Cap
2 Pithing Needle
3 Tormod's Crypt
2 Moat
2 Rule of Law
1 Wheel of Sun and Moon
2 Abeyance
2 Orim's Chant
1 Swords to Plowshares
Thanks
Leyline of Sanctity - I bought 4 of these when they were a new thing. I put 1 main and 2 on the side. The 4th sat in a binder till they skyrockted in price and I sold it. Four is overkill in this deck, but 1-3 are nice.
Mox Opal should be easy for you to turn on, if you wanted another mox.
Solitary Confinement + Land Tax + Scroll Rack is a fun thing to put together.
You could also easily splash tutors from other colors since you're running 4 any color mox + all the other moxes. (Vampiric Tutor or Gamble are nice unconditional tutors that work well in this deck). Blood Moon can be nice against some decks too, but in a full powered meta it's less useful. Engineered Explosives are also playable.
You'll also soon find that Abrupt Decay hits most of your permanents, so that's a thing. Not really something to be too concerned about but something to keep in mind. Mental Misstep is also heavily played.
Spirit of the Labyrinth and Thalia are new cards to keep in mind if you're building this now. I don't have any experience with these. I ran a creatureless combo version. Once you start adding these you start to morph into monowhite hate bears aka death and taxes. Phyrexian Revoker is another one.
You might have problems with Goblins and Fish. Canonist might slow them down, but Aether Vial let's them just pop into play. Orim's Chant should help that matchup though.
Its classic parfait too out from current meta? not worth play it now couse its useless?
thats why this hatebear version?
cya
I think in general there are just more creatures in vintage than there used to be. Power creep has made them better, and it's very tempting to go the hate bears direction due to the good number of two drops with awesome abilities. Personally I prefer parfait as either low creatures or none. I think you can still make an argument that a creatureless deck blanks all of your opponent's creature removal while making your own Balance more powerful, but that seems to be the opposite direction that most of vintage has taken. I think the traditional parfait with Humility or even Godhead of Awe is pretty awesome, but I haven't followed any results, so I don't know how competitive it is now.
You're already running 8 creatures, so why not add some others with good abilities that shut down your opponents? This was just spoiled for M15, and yet again hate bears looks valid...
Also apparently Silence is considered better than Orim's chant now due to the popularity of Leylines
On STG article that Menendian wrote, he said that could handle aggros with Zuran Orb + Land Tax. But i love humility, so if i run humily + moat i will break cannonist and i think wont need terminus.
Im thinkin about Jace and blue splash on deck, but not sure. Or black like I saw an 2008 version with Chains of Mephistopheles and Dark Confidant.
Im trin to focus on Parfait and make competitive again. And until now just can go until basic cards like:
4 Land Tax
3 Scroll Rack
3 Swords to Plowshares
1 Balance
1 Solitary Confinement
2 Abeyance
2 Orim Chance / Silence
x Zuran Orb
Couse after i finish decklist but always miss win condition hahaha.
10 Mountain
8 Plains
Artifact mana:
1 Lotus Petal
4 Mox Diamond
1 Mox Ruby
Other Artifacts:
2 Zuran Orb
1 Scroll Rack
2 Feldon's Cane
4 Land Tax
1 Blood Moon
2 Seismic Assault
1 Solitary Confinement
1 Leyline of Sanctity
Balance:
1 Balance
4 Devastating Dreams
2 Enlightened Tutor
4 Gamble
Other:
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Path to Exile
2 Swords to Plowshares
2 Wear // Tear
1 Wheel of Fortune
sideboard
I think it should also have Pithing Needle or some way to turn off Griselbrand as it has become a major Oath target.