As a former Proxy card enthusiast I can tell you all with 100% certainty that any of the 'tests' you all have suggested will not work with a good 'fake'
To give you a couple of very brief examples with out going into detail, I used a three layer playing card stock that would pass the bend test, black light, the tear test (blue core) it was the same weight and thickness as a real MTG card.
However, there are far more bad counterfeiters then there are good ones. Anyone thats talented in this type of procedure is usually better off doing other things.
So is there anyway to find out of a MTG card is real or fake? Sure there is, if its a bad fake. If its done by a pro very little can be done. However take Firefox31's advice if your really that concerned.
All that being said, if its that good then roll with it. Just dont re-sell.
Oh and PSA has sent back graded cards that were fake before. So save your money there too IMO
As a former Proxy card enthusiast I can tell you all with 100% certainty that any of the 'tests' you all have suggested will not work with a good 'fake'
To give you a couple of very brief examples with out going into detail, I used a three layer playing card stock that would pass the bend test, black light, the tear test (blue core) it was the same weight and thickness as a real MTG card.
However, there are far more bad counterfeiters then there are good ones. Anyone thats talented in this type of procedure is usually better off doing other things.
So is there anyway to find out of a MTG card is real or fake? Sure there is, if its a bad fake. If its done by a pro very little can be done. However take Firefox31's advice if your really that concerned.
All that being said, if its that good then roll with it. Just dont re-sell.
Oh and PSA has sent back graded cards that were fake before. So save your money there too IMO
Agreed.
Those "tests" wizards so greatly touted are years and if I am not mistaken now DECADES, old advice.
better than creating fake pieces of cards worth $500 each with little to no legal repercussion?
Far far better.
Counterfeiting is a Indictable offense up here in Canada, or a "felony" in the US.
-Possession of Electronics to commit a Indictable Offense
-Uttering Counterfeit goods
-Possession of Counterfeit goods
-Up to a lifetime ban from using a electronic device that can access the internet or uses any editing software, hook up to a printer, send emails, faxes, pictures, ect ect
If you happen to sell some of them to anyone in a different country there are a few other charges they can put you up on aswell.
So its a risk vs reward type thing. Print off a few MTG cards for say a couple grand per lot, or print off a few bricks (pounds) of cash and flip it. *Should go without saying dont do either*
How many good fakes are there out there anyway? From reading this post it seems like quite a few.
I'm always surprised what people will do to make money. I don't know if I'd risk pissing off the American cops to pick up a couple of hundred bucks, but I'm sure there are countries where people are poor enough to make it worth while.
I wanted to add to this that if you are looking for an alternative for verifying a cards authenticity, do it on a regular basis (here's looking at you shop owners) or have other various hobbies which require or can use a good portable magnifier which is also illuminated then I suggest checking these out.
I bought one of these used on ebay years and years ago when I was trying to put together a Neil Adams Batman run and was worried about non slabbed copies being airbrushed. It has served me well since that day and gone to many a shop, con, show and functions flawlessly on any diner table. I also used it gonig to my local coin shop to assemble my Indian, Lincoln and Mercury collections. That magnifier is nominal but the lighting is where it shines (see what I did there?) You can easily pull up the dotted matrix pattern and have pointed out many a Sharpied "touch up" on BB cards (to their owners dismay). While they are EXPENSIVE new I suggest finding a good used one like I did. Also when going through airport security if they ask you what it is just says it's an illuminated vibrator with a built in boat captain finder. They'll immediately put it back.
To give you a couple of very brief examples with out going into detail, I used a three layer playing card stock that would pass the bend test, black light, the tear test (blue core) it was the same weight and thickness as a real MTG card.
However, there are far more bad counterfeiters then there are good ones. Anyone thats talented in this type of procedure is usually better off doing other things.
So is there anyway to find out of a MTG card is real or fake? Sure there is, if its a bad fake. If its done by a pro very little can be done. However take Firefox31's advice if your really that concerned.
All that being said, if its that good then roll with it. Just dont re-sell.
Oh and PSA has sent back graded cards that were fake before. So save your money there too IMO
Agreed.
Those "tests" wizards so greatly touted are years and if I am not mistaken now DECADES, old advice.
They are archaic.
Far far better.
Counterfeiting is a Indictable offense up here in Canada, or a "felony" in the US.
-Possession of Electronics to commit a Indictable Offense
-Uttering Counterfeit goods
-Possession of Counterfeit goods
-Up to a lifetime ban from using a electronic device that can access the internet or uses any editing software, hook up to a printer, send emails, faxes, pictures, ect ect
If you happen to sell some of them to anyone in a different country there are a few other charges they can put you up on aswell.
So its a risk vs reward type thing. Print off a few MTG cards for say a couple grand per lot, or print off a few bricks (pounds) of cash and flip it. *Should go without saying dont do either*
Ya, far far better.
I'm always surprised what people will do to make money. I don't know if I'd risk pissing off the American cops to pick up a couple of hundred bucks, but I'm sure there are countries where people are poor enough to make it worth while.
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I bought one of these used on ebay years and years ago when I was trying to put together a Neil Adams Batman run and was worried about non slabbed copies being airbrushed. It has served me well since that day and gone to many a shop, con, show and functions flawlessly on any diner table. I also used it gonig to my local coin shop to assemble my Indian, Lincoln and Mercury collections. That magnifier is nominal but the lighting is where it shines (see what I did there?) You can easily pull up the dotted matrix pattern and have pointed out many a Sharpied "touch up" on BB cards (to their owners dismay). While they are EXPENSIVE new I suggest finding a good used one like I did. Also when going through airport security if they ask you what it is just says it's an illuminated vibrator with a built in boat captain finder. They'll immediately put it back.