Yes, the Will is sickeningly powerful. It is almost game breaking when played. However, it does not warrant banning. In order for it to be banned, it would have to be omnipresent in the enviroment, which it's not. It's god in combo and in black-based decks, but not too many other decks can abuse it.
Amazing game swinging card. Worthy of banning? No.
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Ok, I've seen ways the card can work, and agree that it's powerful, but can someone please state exactly what a typical Will play is? I'm assuming something to dump your library to your graveyard, complete with Rituals and other such mana bursts, and then to will, powering up a massive Drain Life/Consume Spirit or something similar. Am I far off?
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Ok, I've seen ways the card can work, and agree that it's powerful, but can someone please state exactly what a typical Will play is? I'm assuming something to dump your library to your graveyard, complete with Rituals and other such mana bursts, and then to will, powering up a massive Drain Life/Consume Spirit or something similar. Am I far off?
Yes. Decks aren't built to dump graveyards just to fuel Will, Will is a standalone card. That is why it is so powerful. Toss it in Tog, suddenly your draw is twice as good. Toss it in Keeper and you've got buttloads more control. Toss it in any deck and you've still got a power shift, not to mention a recasted Lotus already repays for the Will.
Will is good, not worthy of banning. That's not how we play bridge here in T1.
The only way I could see it being banned is if they somehow add another abusable mana producer. As Long.dec demonstrated, Yawgmoth's Will is freakin insane with any free/almost free mana producer, even one that's a "crappy" version of Black Lotus. You really only need to have one to win the game anyway. Having two simply means you have a slightly higher chance to draw it- or have one in your sideboard, one MD. But having three or four (just hypothesizing, people) of them in a deck is just stupid.
On the other hand, it's already achieved status as the most powerful card ever. It's already restricted. Do we need to really hurt it that much more? Let us play with it anyway, ince this is the format of playing every card (expect Ante cards, and manual dexterity cards, of course.)
I think it definitely should just be restricted. As WotC says, nothing should be banned in type one, which is a great idea, but overall it is just insanely powerful. Its probably the best form of card advantage there is, especially if you've got recall in the yard first.
It's not great in EVERY tier1 deck though. Oath doesn't need it, welder doesn't need it, fish doesn't need it, landstill doesn't need it. Combo crazy decks do. Combo crazy decks are not tier 1. Kobold clamp needs it, minds desire decks need it. It's not really hurting the envirnment, so no need of banning.
no bannings in t1. ever. no matter what But yeah, its one of the most powerfull cards in magic.
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T1 is, and has always been, the broken format. No format has ever come close to being as insanely broken. If they ban Will, what message is that sending? The slippery slope, my friends, the slippery slope. If Will is too powerful, then surely Ancestral Recall is. After all, it basically wins the game for you when you resolve it. Or Black Lotus? The Moxen?!?!? Oh, that's right...this isn't 1.5.
Leave Will alone, he's had a hard enough life as it is.
The yardstick for banning in every format but t1 is "Does the card show up in every deck?" and "Does every deck have to either use it, or be dedicated to defeating it." In type 1, that's the yardstick for restriction. It's not widespread as restricted. Would it be game breaking as a four of? Of course. That's why its restricted.
Yawg Will should be banned, but the rule is that a card can't be banned unless from illegal sets, ante, and Dexterity, so it will never happen
No. no no no no no. T1 is SUPPOSED TO BE BROKEN. That's why we play. As I said, if you ban will, then you have to ban Ancestral Recall, Black Lotus and a buttload of other cards that are FAR more powerful than Will. This is not like ext or T2 where they ban a card for being moderately powerful.
I think that it is powerful enough that Wizards might ban it, but it would never happen and I REALLY don't want it too. I would rather see Dark Ritual restricted than non-illegal set, non-anti, non-dexterity cards banned.(Don't put this in you sig :)). And I REALLY, REALLY don't want to see rit restricted.
I agree totally, Beta-Male, with top 3 (If JUST looking at effect, not CC) and Mind's Desire being up there. If you factor CC in, Balance/Yawg Win are the only cards that can reliably cast that WILL (no pun intended) win you the game consistantly. Balance, however, was printed before R&D, before major testing, before FFL, and before competitive magic.
Way too powerfull, breaks games as played. That's what I voted, but should it be banned? No way, I think it is fine where it's at. These type of cards are what Type 1 is about, power and breaking games wide open.
Not having a true Banned list (except ante and Skill cards) is the only thing that seperates t1 from 1.5 , if your unhappy with playing with restricted "broken" cards then i suggest you join me in 1.5
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Yes. Decks aren't built to dump graveyards just to fuel Will, Will is a standalone card. That is why it is so powerful. Toss it in Tog, suddenly your draw is twice as good. Toss it in Keeper and you've got buttloads more control. Toss it in any deck and you've still got a power shift, not to mention a recasted Lotus already repays for the Will.
Will is good, not worthy of banning. That's not how we play bridge here in T1.
We may play with all our cards regarless how broken they are.
As soon as a single card becomes banned that isn't becuase of Ante / flipping, it isn't type one anymore.
Yes will is good. But so is good old counterspell. I suggest you save one for will;)
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But bannable? Maybe.
The only way I could see it being banned is if they somehow add another abusable mana producer. As Long.dec demonstrated, Yawgmoth's Will is freakin insane with any free/almost free mana producer, even one that's a "crappy" version of Black Lotus. You really only need to have one to win the game anyway. Having two simply means you have a slightly higher chance to draw it- or have one in your sideboard, one MD. But having three or four (just hypothesizing, people) of them in a deck is just stupid.
On the other hand, it's already achieved status as the most powerful card ever. It's already restricted. Do we need to really hurt it that much more? Let us play with it anyway, ince this is the format of playing every card (expect Ante cards, and manual dexterity cards, of course.)
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But as others have said... there are many more ways to win than casting Will.
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T1 is, and has always been, the broken format. No format has ever come close to being as insanely broken. If they ban Will, what message is that sending? The slippery slope, my friends, the slippery slope. If Will is too powerful, then surely Ancestral Recall is. After all, it basically wins the game for you when you resolve it. Or Black Lotus? The Moxen?!?!? Oh, that's right...this isn't 1.5.
Leave Will alone, he's had a hard enough life as it is.
And Arcbound Ravager still roams the lands. (but not in T1)
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Mindslaver in Drain Slaver
Oath of Druids in, well, Oath.
is it the most powerful card ever printed. on the sheer power scale i dont' knwo if it tops Balance, but its definitely in the top 3
in no particular order in terms of what kind of effect they generate i'd put the top 3 cards as follows:
Yawgmoth's Will
Yawgmoth's Bargain
Balance
close runner ups include Mind's Desire.....and then we get back to the just regular amounts of broken
I agree totally, Beta-Male, with top 3 (If JUST looking at effect, not CC) and Mind's Desire being up there. If you factor CC in, Balance/Yawg Win are the only cards that can reliably cast that WILL (no pun intended) win you the game consistantly. Balance, however, was printed before R&D, before major testing, before FFL, and before competitive magic.
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No thanks. :tongue3:
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