MTG Salvation

After cube on Monday night my buddy and I got to discussing cube in general. He specifically brought up fog effects and how he thought it would be an interesting dynamic to have in the cube. He insists that the effect, when timed correctly, can be a serious blowout. He also thinks just by having these effects in the cube, it changes some of the thought processes when involved in combat.

Obviously, I am reluctant to try these effects since I don't think they are good enough, but I never had any experience with them.

I was curious what you all thought of fog effects, whether in white or green or both and if it would ever be worth reserving a spot for it.

Perhaps some thoughts on Fog, Tangle, Winds of Qal Sisma, etc....

I generally don't think they're wprth it tbh. I do run Arachnogenesis, but thats because the card is good when not timed optimally, and absolutely backbreaking when timed correctly. Also it's a very fun card to play.

I have Ætherize because it kills tokens and is a huge tempo swing.

Tangle looks like it could be strong enough being a huge tempo swing but straight fog I don't think it is good enough.

Fog effects will always be niche, if you have a free green slot, I think I agree with your friend that it is a meta mind game and it is much better if you are typically playing with the same group of people even if it is not optimal.

isn't moment's peace cubed a decent amount? the only fogs i would ever consider cubing are that, constand mists, and maybe something like a cheaper Encircling Fissure. Basically, multi use, lockout, or 2 for 1 potential. I guess if there was one that cantripped I might want to consider it.

If you run a cube that goes deep on token makers, especially bigger tokens, Druid's Deliverance can be excellent because it can flash in a pretty big creature for 1g, and Fog is an additional mode for it.

Fog effects are interesting because you do keep it in the back of your mind when they are in the meta, but they are inherently bad cards.

Far too spotty to be good, but rarely great.

Tangle is the only one I like remotely. Moment's peace second.



I don't know of people here playing with either.

I've got a Tangle in my cube because I found a foil copy in a bulk box for nothing a while back.

It hasn't actually done anything in a bunch of oppportunities.

Moment's Peace is alright and I think Winds of Qal Sisma is probably barely good enough, but I haven't tested it. One-sided fog shouldn't be too hard to pull off in the right environment.

I forgot about constant mists
I remember it being dead a lot, and then occasionally winning the game by itself.

Running 1-2 of the 4-5 good fogs adds an interesting tension if you're also running many big combat tricks or Overrun/Rites of Initiation/Charge Across the Araba effects.

Otherwise, they're just bad dead sideboard-stuffers.

Lull can be cycled when not needed which is quite useful for such a situational effect, but there have been more interesting suggestions already. Moment's Peace can be used twice and also supports graveyard themes.

Why do people cube Arachnogenesis if it's rare?

Why all the pearls? Why all the hair? Why anything?

nah but seriously, I don't get it either lol

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Why do people cube Arachnogenesis if it's rare?

I'm not sure if you are looking for a serious answer, but Arachnogenesis specifically was released as a uncommon on Magic Online, but not even in a normal Magic Online booster release (like for Vintage Masters, Master's Editions I/II/III/IV or Tempest Remastered). I think it was in a... treasure chest or something like that? Even though I draft on Magic Online quite a bit, I eventually lost track of the different points and prizes that got offered.

https://www.mtgowikiprice.com/editions/117