MTG Salvation

Yeah, Palace Jailer is definitely the one of the best cards out of this set and the strongest Monarch card by far for peasant.

Does the opponent not get the exiled creature back?

The card doesn't say so so no. They have to deal combat damage to you

what if the thing is dead and you later lose monarch? We've never had a delayed trigger like that before, have we? but i assume yes

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Other things that work well with Manaplasm:

Snuff Out, Invigorate and 'free' spells in general
Triplicate Spirits, Stoke the Flames, (any other worhwhile convoke spells?)
Flashbacked Roar of the Wurm/Battle Screech etc.
Delve
Suspend
Emerge
Phyrexian mana (e.g. Dismember gives +3/+3)

...probably enough to warrant testing? Fun to think about even if it probably won't work that well in practice.

Spectral Procession has a CMC of 6.

interesting....

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The card doesn't say so so no. They have to deal combat damage to you

what if the thing is dead and you later lose monarch? We've never had a delayed trigger like that before, have we? but i assume yes

From the release notes: "Palace Jailer leaving the battlefield won't cause the exiled creature to return. The game will continue to watch for the next time an opponent becomes the monarch."

So yes?

After thinking about the cards some more while ordering them I decided to make the following changes:
Fiend Hunter -> Palace Jailer
I already play Banisher Priest and I don't want too many of these effects in a 360 cube.
Morkrut Necropod -> Sinuous Vermin
I like the Necropod and I didn't have that much time to test it but with the addition of Havoc Demon I feel I don't need it.
Skin Invasion -> Besmirch
Invasion wasn't really performing and Besmirch seems like a cool Threaten effect that removes the creature for another turn as a blocker.
Leafcrown Dryad -> Borderland Explorer
Dryad is only okish.
Wolfir Avenger -> Manaplasm
Avenger is mediocre and I want to test the Manaplasm.

I disagree that avenger is mediocre. It's really efficient.

For sure. I can only see somebody cutting it because it's boring, not because it's mediocre.

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The card doesn't say so so no. They have to deal combat damage to you

what if the thing is dead and you later lose monarch? We've never had a delayed trigger like that before, have we? but i assume yes

From the release notes: "Palace Jailer leaving the battlefield won't cause the exiled creature to return. The game will continue to watch for the next time an opponent becomes the monarch."

So yes?

There was a confusing double-negative thing going on between the question and Leelue's answer. I'm pretty sure we're all the same (correct) page.
Regardless of if Palance Jailer is blinked or dies, the creatures will return whenever you lose the monarch. They do not return when Jailer leaves the battlefield.
It's an interesting take on the effect, to be sure.
I've warmed up to the jailer considerably. It's much harder to get blown out when hitting it with instant-speed removal doesn't return the creatures. Even if it's a big swing when you lose the monarch, he removes creatures for your opponent to, you know, hit you with... but I guess we'll see how often the monarch changes hands in an average game.
Probably just going to drop Banisher Priest for him, I've always felt weird including it in the same CMC with a worse ability than Fiend Hunter.

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I disagree that avenger is mediocre. It's really efficient.

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For sure. I can only see somebody cutting it because it's boring, not because it's mediocre.

Maybe I phrased that wrong. Avenger is usually just a filler card here, like card number 22 or 23 in a G/x deck.

You guys are chill with the monarch card?

You don't like it?

I am like 65% sure it will be very good

If you don't like having a token with a typo, you could always just make the monarch wear a silly hat.

I don't like the monarch as a cube card. No doubt it'll be good. I don't like it as a non-multiplayer/edh styled free-for-all card.

I feel like our peasant cubes often contain misshapen cards that aren't meant for the format. Take for example Custodi Squire, Besmirch, Rite of the Raging Storm and Curse of Predation. Unlike the former 3 cards, the Monarch cards don't have extraneous trinket text when it comes to 1v1 games. Why would Monarch be any different?

... or Dauthi Horror or Flame Slash...

Yeah, what value is there in designer intent? None

In cube, YOU'RE the designer!

follow your dreams

here I rule

Why Flame Slash?

I just try to keep the level of "clunk" to a minimum. Curse of Predation is okay by me because it's perfectly clear what it does; Custodi Squire is much less so because of the way the voting works. Designer intent isn't the important thing for me, it's more about not having a bunch of cards that have weird one-off rules text on them.

I don't understand that perspective at all.

Who exactly are the drafters you think can understand Evoke, Ninjutsu, Bestow, Reinforce, Retrace, Soulbond, flip cards, Channel, Echo, Convoke, Madness, Delirium, Level Up, Evolve, Wither, Undying, Outlast, Morbid, Monstrosity, Suspend, Threshold, Awaken, Cascade, Bloodrush, Devoid, Scavenge, Imprint, Annihilator, and Living Weapon... but not the voting mechanic on Custodi Squire?

I think it's more to the point that Custodi Squire's real text is "Flying. When Custodi Squire enters the battlefield, return an artifact, creature, or enchantment card from your graveyard to your hand." All that voting stuff is nonsense text 99.8% of the time. It's not that the ability is hard to learn, it's just got a bunch of meaningless words on it that obfuscates how it plays. This part's more of a stretch, but it might even lead your players into thinking that the cube is for drafting multiplayer or that there are vote manipulation cards too.

So it's overly complicated text on a simple card, vs actually complicated cards like Murderous Redcap or Ninja of the Deep Hours or Druid's Familiar.

I mean I appreciate the sentiment behind it, but in practicality you're saving like.... one minute of players' reading/explaining time over the next 20 years of Cube usage by intentionally excluding Custodi Squire with that logic.