What are people's thoughts on Mage-Ring Network? It seems like a reasonable utility land. I know there have been plenty of timed my Mirroden's Core has built up a small pile of counters.
Isn't the Network land just worse than any random Time Spiral storage land? Taps for colorless, charges for same cost, and paying 1 to activate is effectively the same as having to tap the land itself (and in fact the Time Spiral lands are slightly better for the corner case of stuff like Icy Manipulatpor and Pestermite)
I can tell you that the main reason why river boa isn't played Cali is because of a distaste for color hosing. A lot of the old-guard for cubes in general don't seem to mind for some reason, but the culture on this particular board has moved away deliberately.
As for searing spear and lightning strike, again it's probably a culture thing. We've (generally) liked our diversity sometimes at a slight cost of power level. I've gone almost all-in with forcing diversity in my cube so I will be missing a number of powerful cards (like, say, gore-house chainwalker vs borderland marauder)
I don't see a reason to shoehorn in more artifacts/lands/w/e in order to line up ratios from a different cube type with ours.
Well... I see a reason, but not one I like
For me Trygon > Aether Mutation > Fleetfeather > Chimera. I know people like the Chimera quite a bit, but for some reason I haven't had any games were it was good. Aether Mutation has been surprisingly good when I added it. Fleetfeather is allright. Admittedly, I'm not really sure what to make of Simic as a guild. Apart from Trygon, which I really like a lot, the cards are all.. just very decent but not super special. I don't think you could go wrong with cutting either for the Krasis, but I think I'd cut Chimera from your selection.
I may cut Fleetfeather for being so similar to Chimera, but costing one more for not much upside. Maybe. I don't know, really. UG is a weird combination. Maybe Krasis just isn't as good as either of these options.
I can tell you that the main reason why river boa isn't played Cali is because of a distaste for color hosing. A lot of the old-guard for cubes in general don't seem to mind for some reason, but the culture on this particular board has moved away deliberately.
As for searing spear and lightning strike, again it's probably a culture thing. We've (generally) liked our diversity sometimes at a slight cost of power level. I've gone almost all-in with forcing diversity in my cube so I will be missing a number of powerful cards (like, say, gore-house chainwalker vs borderland marauder)
You're right there. But I do make my own executive decisions when looking at the comparisons for possible cuts and additions. It's why I still run Boa, the Soltari bros, the two 3-damage spells, and Force of Will while others here don't. That's also why it took me so long to cut Mogg Fanatic from my list.
I don't see a reason to shoehorn in more artifacts/lands/w/e in order to line up ratios from a different cube type with ours.
Well... I see a reason, but not one I like
Mostly I just couldn't make myself the numbers from "average" c/u lists. Just looking at your list as an example, you're at 60 in each color and only 40 in colorless. And over half of those 40 are lands. It bothered me that my colorless section was so much smaller than my other sections for so long. So I looked at a few lists to get some numbers on what a 450 list normally has per section and changed my numbers accordingly. I don't think I put anything embarrassing in to make this change. I've only drafted this cube two or three times since making the change in January, but so far I like it. I like having the extra ramp artifacts and the extra cards available for every deck. It's especially useful when we grid draft this list.
i feel like trygon predator is the only staple in simic. everything else is either fringe or personal preference. i mean i have trygon predator / shardless agent / shambleshark. i know a lot of people are down on shardless but i just love the card (and cascade in general really). shambleshark is just there because it's a good tempo card, and tempo is how i want my u/g decks to play out. it's probably worse than the consistency of bounding krasis though.
Shardless Agent requires you to build your deck around it just a tad. You just don't want to hit a blank with him. I personally love that card... cascading into Sylvan Library or even Lightning Bolt. Good stuff.
I'm really digging the Krasis. 3/3 for 3 with flash. Definitely reminds me of Wolfir Avenger, but with even more upside. Untapping one of your tapped creatures to create another surprise block will lead to way more blowouts than the Avenger.
I actually like Cockatrice way more than the Chimera (though I have since cut it when I went down to 3 cards per guild.) Being able to flash in and eat a bear without dying is very nice, and it becomes a literal monster in the late game. I also think Shardless is great. I'm not too concerned with the whole tailoring-your-deck thing, since it usually just means I may not be able to run the Miscalculation I picked earlier.
The way successful U/G worked for me was usually the green player opportunistically grabbing blue's big, tough-to-kill control finishers and ramping into them. So after trying to fight it by shoving more blue control finishers in, I decided to just embrace it with huge mana-sink creatures like Fleetfeather Cockatrice and Nimbus Swimmer.
I'm actually kind of embarrassed by the results Nimbus Swimmer used to put up as a big dumb do-nothing creature.
I'm not completely buying into the hype on Bounding Krasis. I think there's a decent chance of it ambushing a bear or tapping an evasive attacker pre-combat, but I doubt the whole "ambush a bear and untap another guy who ambushes another attacker is happening." Maybe you'll get an ambush and a trade, but I don't think you get both.
The other problem I have is that I think Simic has a lot of good 3-drops. I definitely like Trygon Predator and Shardless Agent more, and am conflicted on cards like Lorescale Coatl and Plaxcaster Frogling, especially with cubing more counter support.
Me too. The new Gravedigger/Archaeomancer guy seems alright, but Moroii does good work for me. I guess for a gold card, Moroii is kinda boring, but I will refrain from making the switch unless I start hearing very good things about the Skaab.
Here is my final list of swaps for the set, what do people think?
Some that stood out for me:
Monastery Swiftspear has been a very consistent 1 drop for me. The ceiling on the Goblin is higher, but I tend to avoid that level of variance if possible. I still think Glory Chaser is worth testing, but Swiftspear is not the first card I'd cut for it.
Gravetiller Wurm has been excellent for me as well. Looking at your cube, you don't seem to have very many green 6-drops. (Fewer than I do despite having 100 more cards in your cube.) I would probably cut a creature at a different mana cost.
I think Shardless Agent is a lot better than Krasis. I would cut Lorescale Coatl or Kiora's Follower over the Agent.
I feel like I'm the only one that expressed interest in Enthralling Victor.
Sidenote, what's up with his flavor text? Is a joke/reference going right over the top of my head?
I guess I'm going to follow suit and list off the cards that I have any kind of interest in. This list is not in any specific order of interest (I think it's actually gonna be in alphabetical..)
Blue Whirler Rogue - The blue Beetleback Chief. Will certainly go in. I've been looking for a replacement for Into the Roil for a while now. Bingo. Nivix Barrier - Probably not. I just am biassed against blue control and flash.
Black Eyeblight Assassin - Ehhhh. It's pretty dandy. I don't think it'll slide in, but it might replace something, although I'm not sure what that something may be at the moment. Yea, I don't know. Thornbow Archer - I just thought it was a cute card. Huge ass cubes could use it as a.. something.
Multicolor Thunderclap Wyvern - Aww yea. You guys know my feels for this guy. Blood-Cursed Knight - What I don't like about my orzhov is that it's so damn stupid.
Easily Condescend. It can be played for X=1 often enough and always gets the scry, even when no spell is successfully countered. Calculated Dismissal might miss the scry completely and is more easily blanked completely. But it is nonetheless worth consideration.
I think that the Enthralling Victor flavor text is suggesting that he is so dashing and enthralling that if you look at him for too long you loose sight of what side you are fighting for.
Its a bit of a metaphor within a metaphor, wrapped up in some obscure-assed flavor text.
Enthralling victor looks terribly subpar.
Leadfeather, when I read nivix varrier I thought about it. After giving it some time, I wrote it off anyway. Then I realized that it wasn't one mana. that should tell you how bad that card is.
Considering how good pharika's mender has been and how much better returning instants and sorceries is than whatever silly card type the mender returns, I think the new 3/2 dimir guy could make it work.
I should re-add shardless agent since I run a lot of blue decks with one or zero counterspells. Hitting condescend is underwhelming but still fine enough and hell, even if you hit remand if it doesn't kill you from a tempo loss it actually puts you up even more cards. But hitting a jhessian infiltrator, frost walker, or cloudfin raptor is so gravy..
The way successful U/G worked for me was usually the green player opportunistically grabbing blue's big, tough-to-kill control finishers and ramping into them. So after trying to fight it by shoving more blue control finishers in, I decided to just embrace it with huge mana-sink creatures like Fleetfeather Cockatrice and Nimbus Swimmer.
I'm actually kind of embarrassed by the results Nimbus Swimmer used to put up as a big dumb do-nothing creature.
Does this mean its current results are no longer embarrassing? Did something else change in your cube aside from embracing the finishers?
EDIT : May have misinterpreted as I noticed it isn't in your current cube. I thought you meant it used to put up bad results, but now performs. Assume it didn't put up expected results, and was removed?
White Blessed Spirits - I could see this working in a white deck if one was to heavily push enchantments, probably will not get tested at all.
Is Blessed Spirits really so hard to get going? I've got 6 white enchantments and 14 others in the cube. A 2/2 flyer for 3 isn't terrible and the potential upside for running cards I'd want anyway (most of my white enchantments are removal) seems worth it. The counters stay if the enchantments go away and they get applied on cast so a counter spell won't stop them either.
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As for searing spear and lightning strike, again it's probably a culture thing. We've (generally) liked our diversity sometimes at a slight cost of power level. I've gone almost all-in with forcing diversity in my cube so I will be missing a number of powerful cards (like, say, gore-house chainwalker vs borderland marauder)
I don't see a reason to shoehorn in more artifacts/lands/w/e in order to line up ratios from a different cube type with ours.
Well... I see a reason, but not one I like
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I may cut Fleetfeather for being so similar to Chimera, but costing one more for not much upside. Maybe. I don't know, really. UG is a weird combination. Maybe Krasis just isn't as good as either of these options.
You're right there. But I do make my own executive decisions when looking at the comparisons for possible cuts and additions. It's why I still run Boa, the Soltari bros, the two 3-damage spells, and Force of Will while others here don't. That's also why it took me so long to cut Mogg Fanatic from my list.
Mostly I just couldn't make myself the numbers from "average" c/u lists. Just looking at your list as an example, you're at 60 in each color and only 40 in colorless. And over half of those 40 are lands. It bothered me that my colorless section was so much smaller than my other sections for so long. So I looked at a few lists to get some numbers on what a 450 list normally has per section and changed my numbers accordingly. I don't think I put anything embarrassing in to make this change. I've only drafted this cube two or three times since making the change in January, but so far I like it. I like having the extra ramp artifacts and the extra cards available for every deck. It's especially useful when we grid draft this list.
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I'm really digging the Krasis. 3/3 for 3 with flash. Definitely reminds me of Wolfir Avenger, but with even more upside. Untapping one of your tapped creatures to create another surprise block will lead to way more blowouts than the Avenger.
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I'm actually kind of embarrassed by the results Nimbus Swimmer used to put up as a big dumb do-nothing creature.
The other problem I have is that I think Simic has a lot of good 3-drops. I definitely like Trygon Predator and Shardless Agent more, and am conflicted on cards like Lorescale Coatl and Plaxcaster Frogling, especially with cubing more counter support.
How do people rank those Simic 3-drops?
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Fleetfeather Cockatrice is probably my favorite simic card.
Snakeform is also beastly, but I have Snakeform as a green card, simply cuz it replaced Wildsize.
Lorescale Coatl is a cool card, but it never really got going for me.
Plaxcaster Frogling is badass. I have considered it greatly, just never got around to it.
I think Bounding Krasis is like... right alongside Pestermite, but not worth a guild slot. It's also very similar to Wolfir Avenger.
Edit: Now that I've said Bounding Krasis is half Pestermite and half Wolfir Avenger....
Some that stood out for me:
Monastery Swiftspear has been a very consistent 1 drop for me. The ceiling on the Goblin is higher, but I tend to avoid that level of variance if possible. I still think Glory Chaser is worth testing, but Swiftspear is not the first card I'd cut for it.
Gravetiller Wurm has been excellent for me as well. Looking at your cube, you don't seem to have very many green 6-drops. (Fewer than I do despite having 100 more cards in your cube.) I would probably cut a creature at a different mana cost.
I think Shardless Agent is a lot better than Krasis. I would cut Lorescale Coatl or Kiora's Follower over the Agent.
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Sidenote, what's up with his flavor text? Is a joke/reference going right over the top of my head?
I guess I'm going to follow suit and list off the cards that I have any kind of interest in. This list is not in any specific order of interest (I think it's actually gonna be in alphabetical..)
White
Blessed Spirits - I could see this working in a white deck if one was to heavily push enchantments, probably will not get tested at all.
Consul's Lieutenant - This will likely replace Knight of Meadowgrain
Patron of the Valiant - If +1/+1's become a huge deal, I'll consider this more heavily
Sentinel of the Eternal Watch - What isn't to like? Definitely going in to replace.. something
Topan Freeblade - The hype around this card is high. I don't see it doing much work, though
Blue
Whirler Rogue - The blue Beetleback Chief. Will certainly go in. I've been looking for a replacement for Into the Roil for a while now. Bingo.
Nivix Barrier - Probably not. I just am biassed against blue control and flash.
Black
Eyeblight Assassin - Ehhhh. It's pretty dandy. I don't think it'll slide in, but it might replace something, although I'm not sure what that something may be at the moment. Yea, I don't know.
Thornbow Archer - I just thought it was a cute card. Huge ass cubes could use it as a.. something.
Red (what's with all the red?)
Acolyte of the Inferno - I've been down on Vaultbreaker, so this might be a swapperoni for him. Shocking blockers is craaazy.
Enthralling Victor - Overzealous with Skarrgan Firebird, so this is a simple swap.
Goblin Glory Chaser - Not sure what will be swapped, or if this is a decent card. I wish it had haste? ..
Seismic Elemental - Ogre Arsonist has also been boring.
Boggart Brute - Goblin Shortcutter or Stingscourger for this guy.
Ghirapur Gearcrafter - Making room for red is hard...
Green
Conclave Naturalists - Indrik Stomphowler, Easy swap.
Aerial Volley - I just thought it was cute.
Multicolor
Thunderclap Wyvern - Aww yea. You guys know my feels for this guy.
Blood-Cursed Knight - What I don't like about my orzhov is that it's so damn stupid.
Blind Hunter is like Bloodhunter Bat most of the time.
Tidehollow Sculler is also so similar to Mesmeric Fiend.
Mortify is 90% just a more expensive Go For The Throat.
Lingering Souls is the only "unique" (ish) card in orzhov.
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Its a bit of a metaphor within a metaphor, wrapped up in some obscure-assed flavor text.
Leadfeather, when I read nivix varrier I thought about it. After giving it some time, I wrote it off anyway. Then I realized that it wasn't one mana. that should tell you how bad that card is.
Considering how good pharika's mender has been and how much better returning instants and sorceries is than whatever silly card type the mender returns, I think the new 3/2 dimir guy could make it work.
I should re-add shardless agent since I run a lot of blue decks with one or zero counterspells. Hitting condescend is underwhelming but still fine enough and hell, even if you hit remand if it doesn't kill you from a tempo loss it actually puts you up even more cards. But hitting a jhessian infiltrator, frost walker, or cloudfin raptor is so gravy..
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Does this mean its current results are no longer embarrassing? Did something else change in your cube aside from embracing the finishers?
EDIT : May have misinterpreted as I noticed it isn't in your current cube. I thought you meant it used to put up bad results, but now performs. Assume it didn't put up expected results, and was removed?
Is Blessed Spirits really so hard to get going? I've got 6 white enchantments and 14 others in the cube. A 2/2 flyer for 3 isn't terrible and the potential upside for running cards I'd want anyway (most of my white enchantments are removal) seems worth it. The counters stay if the enchantments go away and they get applied on cast so a counter spell won't stop them either.