Completely off topic, but should i make room for Carrion Feeder? I have a lot of red tokens running around, so I think that makes it semi viable, but Im not positive. If so, what should I cut for it?
While I think yours might be the right call, I would rather not cut the witch. If I'm giving token sac some tools, don't I want to keep the witch? I guess maybe my intentions weren't clear in the last post.
If you want multiple sac outlets I would pick Carrion Feeder and Viscera Seer before Thoughtpicker Witch, since nobody supports mill in their cube, I have no idea why people like her.
If you want multiple sac outlets I would pick Carrion Feeder and Viscera Seer before Thoughtpicker Witch, since nobody supports mill in their cube, I have no idea why people like her.
Thoughtpicker Witch isn't about winning via milling. It's about denying your opponent any chance to draw a relevant card. It's really strong.
Honestly at 450 I'd be running a lot more than you currently are if you really want to encourage it, probably something like Nantuko Husk or Fallen Angel along with the other options already included/discussed. Victimize too.
Thoughtpicker witch says:
1: sacrifice a token, this creature, or something else not relevant. Nearly guarantee opponent draws irrelevant card this turn. Repeat advantage until you run out of guys or you win.
It's sort of how darkblast replaces your draws in exchange of eliminating some of your opponents. It gives you a higher concentration of positive turns.
Thoughtpicker and Darkblast are totally different cards.
The witch will never give you card neutrality (infact if you're doing more than eating tokens it's active card disadvantage to use it every turn). Making their draws worse will also not help you on board and there's only so many dead draws in a cube deck. I'm not excited to spend mana and board presence for that.
I really do want to like the card, but it's just not there as far as I'm concerned. Again, it's probably fine at 450 if you want to push sacrifice themes.
Thoughtpicker and Darkblast are totally different cards.
The witch will never give you card neutrality (infact if you're doing more than eating tokens it's active card disadvantage to use it every turn). Making their draws worse will also not help you on board and there's only so many dead draws in a cube deck. I'm not excited to spend mana and board presence for that.
I really do want to like the card, but it's just not there as far as I'm concerned. Again, it's probably fine at 450 if you want to push sacrifice themes.
That pretty much sums up my opinion of it, also forcing someone into continually having bad draws is considerably un-fun in my opinion, the primary purpose of creating my cube was to create an interactive environment where people have fun.
man is triplicate spirits any good in cube? i jam tokens hard but i'm not sure if it's that hard.
I found that it is not worth hard casting, and convoking it with your existing board state essentially forces you to skip a turn. I recently cut it as it spent most of it's time as either dead weight in hand or discarded in the sideboard.
I recently did an online m15 sealed and played with Triplicate Spirits. It seemed really good in that environment. Obviously the format is slower than cube, but I'm curious how it would do in Peasant. I'm curious how often convoking the spell and "skipping your attack phase" hurts you as opposed to helps you considering your board state will be that much bigger next turn. Tempted to test it.
Thoughtpicker witch says:
1: sacrifice a token, this creature, or something else not relevant. Nearly guarantee opponent draws irrelevant card this turn. Repeat advantage until you run out of guys or you win.
It's sort of how darkblast replaces your draws in exchange of eliminating some of your opponents. It gives you a higher concentration of positive turns.
It's really odd to me that you've had so much success with Thoughtpicker Witch, which is the very definition of theoretical long term card advantage, but have cut most of the other value engines. A 1/1 for B isn't relevant on it's own. It requires a significant enough advantage to be comfortable sacrificing a dude to reduce the quality of an opponent's future draws. It's a fragile body so getting value out of it over several turns is a lot to ask of it. It doesn't have much going for it, and I never saw it be relevant over its duration in my cube. I'm also probably going to cut Darkblast soon as a repeatable -1/-1 is too negligible for the cost of a draw step.
man is triplicate spirits any good in cube? i jam tokens hard but i'm not sure if it's that hard.
Triplicate Spirits isn't very good in my opinion. It's almost always worse than Battle Screech. I'm running it, but don't love it. I'd replace it with something else that struck my fancy in a heartbeat. Maybe I'll just find a replacement for it now haha
I very recently mentioned to you inscho that thoughtpicker witch, just like every other engine, has had a sharp decline in playability for me.
Also, noobinator, if an opponent draws cards that are irrelevant, that's effectively turning my sacrificed guy into a 1 for 1. "Only so many dead draws in a cube deck" is sort of a silly thing to say since 2 fifths of the deck is lands and you can easily rattle off a half dozen cards at any given moment that your opponent can draw and it doesn't threaten you. Bot recognizing this advantage as being comparable to card advantage (card quality advantage) is overly simplistic.
Exaggerated example, but this is essentially complaining that if I had a spell that turned opponents guys into lands over time that I'm not getting ahead on cards.
Battle Screech is excellent. I also run Triplicate Spirits, but I go very hard on the token theme. Triplicate has been pretty solid for me, as you often have some grounded dudes who can't get in for damage that turn or you're missing out on like 2-3 damage to further your board state. It's far from the absolute bomb it is in M15 limited, but it's solid enough, just behind Spectral Procession and Battle Screech.
Nets you 1 additional card in hand over Brainstorm (which I note is not in your cube) for 4x the cost, and has none of the topdeck manipulation potential.
I would just get your hands on Brainstorm.
EDIT: I just realised you were making a pun and not actually asking about using Amass the Components.
Still, it does raise the question, why no Brainstorm?
Alright guys. I think that the cube is close to completion. Any thoughts before I Amass the Components?
Just gave it a quick once-over. Without going deep on looking at what archetypes you may be trying to support, every individual card is eminently cubeable, and should make for a pretty solid environment as-is. Just a few things that stuck out at me:
Dreamscape Artist - No idea what this guy is trying to do. Blue ramp? Domain support, with no domain/sunburst in the cube? 5C control support? Seems really expensive and slow for an effect that I'm not sure any decks are really vying for.
Gatstaf Shepherd - First time I've seen this guy in a cube, interesting choice. Doesn't seem bad, not sure how often he'll flip but a bear is a reasonable floor while a 3/3 intimidate for 2 is a nice ceiling.
Kiss of the Amesha - Fine effect, it strikes me as way too expensive for what it is though. I'm sure there's a better option out there unless you really love the card.
In general I think your gold section could be cleaned up and maybe trimmed down a bit. Maybe it's a personal choice thing, but I classify hybrid (goes in any deck with X or Y in it) differently from gold or off-color flashback cards (only go into an X+Y deck) because of how they're drafted. That's why it looks a little off to me where, for example, your Selesnya section has 2 hybrid/4 gold whereas Dimir has 6 cards I'd all consider gold. Also, not sure if you've balanced the colors outside of Cubetutor, but I'd definitely classify cards like Porcelain Legionnaire and Spined Thopter as colorless instead of white/blue respectively - they get cast for 2 and 2 life far more often than their full costs, even in decks that have the right colors.
My Peasant-Cube-in-Progress http://www.cubetutor.com/viewcube/15395
I'd play him before your Thoughtpicker Witch. I wanted to like that card but it was only ever cute for me rather than good.
Draft it on Cubetutor here, and CubeCobra here.
Treasure Cruise did nothing wrong.
My Peasant-Cube-in-Progress http://www.cubetutor.com/viewcube/15395
Hell yeah.
Thoughtpicker Witch isn't about winning via milling. It's about denying your opponent any chance to draw a relevant card. It's really strong.
My Type 4 stack (Cube Tutor link)
I'd probably run more token produces too.
Draft it on Cubetutor here, and CubeCobra here.
Treasure Cruise did nothing wrong.
1: sacrifice a token, this creature, or something else not relevant. Nearly guarantee opponent draws irrelevant card this turn. Repeat advantage until you run out of guys or you win.
It's sort of how darkblast replaces your draws in exchange of eliminating some of your opponents. It gives you a higher concentration of positive turns.
My CubeCobra (draft 20 card packs, 2 packs.)
430, Peasant, Very Unpowered
Why you should take your hybrids out of your gold section
Manamath Article
The witch will never give you card neutrality (infact if you're doing more than eating tokens it's active card disadvantage to use it every turn). Making their draws worse will also not help you on board and there's only so many dead draws in a cube deck. I'm not excited to spend mana and board presence for that.
I really do want to like the card, but it's just not there as far as I'm concerned. Again, it's probably fine at 450 if you want to push sacrifice themes.
Draft it on Cubetutor here, and CubeCobra here.
Treasure Cruise did nothing wrong.
That pretty much sums up my opinion of it, also forcing someone into continually having bad draws is considerably un-fun in my opinion, the primary purpose of creating my cube was to create an interactive environment where people have fun.
I found that it is not worth hard casting, and convoking it with your existing board state essentially forces you to skip a turn. I recently cut it as it spent most of it's time as either dead weight in hand or discarded in the sideboard.
My Peasant Cube thread !!! (380 cards)
Draft my Peasant Cube on Cube Cobra !!!
It's really odd to me that you've had so much success with Thoughtpicker Witch, which is the very definition of theoretical long term card advantage, but have cut most of the other value engines. A 1/1 for B isn't relevant on it's own. It requires a significant enough advantage to be comfortable sacrificing a dude to reduce the quality of an opponent's future draws. It's a fragile body so getting value out of it over several turns is a lot to ask of it. It doesn't have much going for it, and I never saw it be relevant over its duration in my cube. I'm also probably going to cut Darkblast soon as a repeatable -1/-1 is too negligible for the cost of a draw step.
Triplicate Spirits isn't very good in my opinion. It's almost always worse than Battle Screech. I'm running it, but don't love it. I'd replace it with something else that struck my fancy in a heartbeat. Maybe I'll just find a replacement for it now haha
My Peasant-Cube-in-Progress http://www.cubetutor.com/viewcube/15395
Also, noobinator, if an opponent draws cards that are irrelevant, that's effectively turning my sacrificed guy into a 1 for 1. "Only so many dead draws in a cube deck" is sort of a silly thing to say since 2 fifths of the deck is lands and you can easily rattle off a half dozen cards at any given moment that your opponent can draw and it doesn't threaten you. Bot recognizing this advantage as being comparable to card advantage (card quality advantage) is overly simplistic.
Exaggerated example, but this is essentially complaining that if I had a spell that turned opponents guys into lands over time that I'm not getting ahead on cards.
My CubeCobra (draft 20 card packs, 2 packs.)
430, Peasant, Very Unpowered
Why you should take your hybrids out of your gold section
Manamath Article
My Peasant Cube thread !!! (380 cards)
Draft my Peasant Cube on Cube Cobra !!!
You'd be surprised at how bad my memory is
Has anyone tried Sandsteppe Outcast? Is it better/worse than Attended Knight, which I cut for being just passable?
EDH Decks:
- Reya Dawnbringer // - Mistform Ultimus // - Balthor the Defiled // - Urabrask the Hidden // - Mirri, Cat Warrior
And battle screech is good.
My CubeCobra (draft 20 card packs, 2 packs.)
430, Peasant, Very Unpowered
Why you should take your hybrids out of your gold section
Manamath Article
Modern
Value Town
Amulet Titan
Legacy
4C Loam
My Peasant Cube
http://cubetutor.com/viewcube/11667
My CubeCobra (draft 20 card packs, 2 packs.)
430, Peasant, Very Unpowered
Why you should take your hybrids out of your gold section
Manamath Article
My Peasant-Cube-in-Progress http://www.cubetutor.com/viewcube/15395
I would just get your hands on Brainstorm.
EDIT: I just realised you were making a pun and not actually asking about using Amass the Components.
Still, it does raise the question, why no Brainstorm?
CubeTutor: www.cubetutor.com/cubeblog/72
Thread: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=512410
Just gave it a quick once-over. Without going deep on looking at what archetypes you may be trying to support, every individual card is eminently cubeable, and should make for a pretty solid environment as-is. Just a few things that stuck out at me:
Dreamscape Artist - No idea what this guy is trying to do. Blue ramp? Domain support, with no domain/sunburst in the cube? 5C control support? Seems really expensive and slow for an effect that I'm not sure any decks are really vying for.
Gatstaf Shepherd - First time I've seen this guy in a cube, interesting choice. Doesn't seem bad, not sure how often he'll flip but a bear is a reasonable floor while a 3/3 intimidate for 2 is a nice ceiling.
Kiss of the Amesha - Fine effect, it strikes me as way too expensive for what it is though. I'm sure there's a better option out there unless you really love the card.
In general I think your gold section could be cleaned up and maybe trimmed down a bit. Maybe it's a personal choice thing, but I classify hybrid (goes in any deck with X or Y in it) differently from gold or off-color flashback cards (only go into an X+Y deck) because of how they're drafted. That's why it looks a little off to me where, for example, your Selesnya section has 2 hybrid/4 gold whereas Dimir has 6 cards I'd all consider gold. Also, not sure if you've balanced the colors outside of Cubetutor, but I'd definitely classify cards like Porcelain Legionnaire and Spined Thopter as colorless instead of white/blue respectively - they get cast for 2 and 2 life far more often than their full costs, even in decks that have the right colors.
My cube discussion thread