Cube Size: 600 cards. Breakdown: 70 of each colour, 49 artifact, 152 multicoloured (includes 5 cycles of mana fixing and a cycle of signets) Standard or Theme: Standard Multiplayer FFA Snow Lands: None at this time. Average Number of Players: Always 4 but sometimes up to 8 How Often Drafted: Bi-Weekly
Card Selection Proxies: Not many, but there are a couple floating around as we make trades or purchase the real version Powered: Oh Yeah! Portal: None but not opposed to inclusion. "Un" Cards: One City of Ass Banned Cards for Power-Level: None. Banned Cards for Time Constraints: None. Banned Cards for "fun" factor: None.
Cube Design Standard or Multiplayer: Multiplayer FFA
Sideboards?: None. We maindeck our hate! Perfect Creature/Spell Balance: It's a work in progress. Gold Balance: Yes, Currently 15 of each color with two Shards having a single card Perfectly Balanced CMC: Probably not but we strive to get there.
So... why this particular Cube?
This playgroup averages 4-8 players, generally on the lower end. We exclusively play free-for-all Multiplayer games when cubing. Power levels and budgets are all over the place. This Cube addresses the imbalance in budget and power levels, while creating an environment where everyone has an equal opportunity to win. My playgroup has a wide range of playing styles. We are trying to incorporate at least one archetype from each player so they feel like their needs are met by the cube. We don't allow infinite, so although there may be infinite possibilities, we enforce a one time through (all possible combinations) otherwise a couple of people get salty.
As promised, here are the contents of our cube Starting first with White and working our way through the rest of the colors, artifacts, and lands. WiP so please be patient
I am going to overhaul the red section for us. It's in complete disarray and we did a draft without you and your suspicions about little red were very true.
Whats up with all the clones in blue? Are we going to keep u/r as support only? It would be nice to find a proper theme for them both.
People seem to want more guild cards. I personally am OK with it but the pickings get slim in a few of the guilds.
Snobby you are lazy - update our lands section already! Get a change log going! Make the changes on here! *cracks whip* Otherwise, it looks decent
Seriously though, were up to 540 cards and after Wednesdays draft I don't think we need to go any higher. I got 5 who want to draft today, drink your beer and terrorize your dog.
Finally an update to the cube. There have been a few on Cube Tutor which is always up to date. Here are the white changes, other colors to come as time allows
Updated white and blue sections to reflect the numerous changes we have been making. Too many to list, cards coming and going. However, once I get the other colors changed, I will record the changes each time they happen as the cube has settled into something we all appear happy to play test aggressively.
This list is still a work in progress, but Cube Tutor is always up to date. Draft it in my signature below for something different
Tons of changes. Most documented on Cube Tutor, but I think I am going to document them here going forward and just make the changes on Cube Tutor. More or less the reverse of how I have been doing it.
We just played another session and it was a total blast.
A few new additions off the top of my head
Nether Void
Moat
Imperial Seal
The Tabernacle of Pendrell Vale
Tarmogoyf
Ravages of War
Balance
City of Ass
In general the CMC for every color but Green came down a bit and the cube feels more balance in terms of how each color should play. Green went up and we added a few more creatures. As the power level has increased dramatically, some of the chaff has been cut.
Ulamog 2.0 is a beast and Dimir Mill is a powerhouse if left unchecked. It got ugly!
Great cubing session the other day. I am liking the increased power, although I think Jon misses Phyrexian Obliterator. Taxing control is getting strong and we all know you are the one who benefits the most from that
Out ------- In
Gyre Sage > Sylvan Advocate
Reassembling Skeleton > Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
Awakening Zone > Oath of Nissa
Nylea, God of the Hunt > Forgotten Ancient
Mizzix's Mastery > Chandra, Flamecaller
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn > Nissa, Voice of Zendikar
Lord of the Void > Dread Defiler
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth > Kozilek, the Great Distortion
Perilous Vault > Looter il-Kor
Hoping to move ownership of the thread to my buddy so he can manage it on here. It's a shame that we can't keep it updated all over the net, but I can only do so much. Big SOI changes/balancing is happening. Come draft in my signature below on CubeTutor and let us know what you think.
The playgroup is loving the new changes (which are documented on Cubetutor)
I can manage it for you as we have discussed. Now all we need is for a mod to approve this, IF it's even possible. If not, give me the go ahead and I will in essence cut/paste the first post in this thread into one of my making and handle the updates from here.
It's not possible to reassign ownership. Go ahead and put the entire contents of the first post into a new thread and then I will have a mod lock this one. No point in pasting the other replies into the new thread I don't think.
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Cube Size: 600 cards.
Breakdown: 70 of each colour, 49 artifact, 152 multicoloured (includes 5 cycles of mana fixing and a cycle of signets)
Standard or Theme: Standard Multiplayer FFA
Snow Lands: None at this time.
Average Number of Players: Always 4 but sometimes up to 8
How Often Drafted: Bi-Weekly
Card Selection
Proxies: Not many, but there are a couple floating around as we make trades or purchase the real version
Powered: Oh Yeah!
Portal: None but not opposed to inclusion.
"Un" Cards: One City of Ass
Banned Cards for Power-Level: None.
Banned Cards for Time Constraints: None.
Banned Cards for "fun" factor: None.
Cube Design
Standard or Multiplayer: Multiplayer FFA
Sideboards?: None. We maindeck our hate!
Perfect Creature/Spell Balance: It's a work in progress.
Gold Balance: Yes, Currently 15 of each color with two Shards having a single card
Perfectly Balanced CMC: Probably not but we strive to get there.
So... why this particular Cube?
This playgroup averages 4-8 players, generally on the lower end. We exclusively play free-for-all Multiplayer games when cubing. Power levels and budgets are all over the place. This Cube addresses the imbalance in budget and power levels, while creating an environment where everyone has an equal opportunity to win. My playgroup has a wide range of playing styles. We are trying to incorporate at least one archetype from each player so they feel like their needs are met by the cube. We don't allow infinite, so although there may be infinite possibilities, we enforce a one time through (all possible combinations) otherwise a couple of people get salty.
Come draft a fun MP cube in the link below!
CubeTutor list: http://www.cubetutor.com/viewcube/36742
As promised, here are the contents of our cube Starting first with White and working our way through the rest of the colors, artifacts, and lands. WiP so please be patient
1 Kytheon, Hero of Akros
1 Mother of Runes
1 Student of Warfare
1 Weathered Wayfarer
//2CC
1 Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit
1 Containment Priest
1 Imposing Sovereign
1 Spirit of the Labyrinth
1 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Syndic of Tithes
1 Wall of Omens
//3CC
1 Aven Mindcensor
1 Brimaz, King of Oreskos
1 Hallowed Spiritkeeper
1 Hushwing Gryff
1 Intrepid Hero
1 Mangara of Corondor
1 Mirran Crusader
1 Mirror Entity
1 Monastery Mentor
1 Stonecloaker
1 Academy Rector
1 Hero of Bladehold
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1 Loxodon Gatekeeper
1 Michiko konda, Truth Seeker
1 Restoration Angel
1 Sublime Archangel
1 Wall of Reverence
//5CC
1 Archangel of Thune
1 Archon of Justice
1 Baneslayer Angel
1 Stonehewer Giant
//6CC
1 Requiem Angel
1 Sun Titan
1 Yosei, the Morning Star
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
//8CC
1 Akroma, Angel of Wrath
1 Avacyn, Angel of Hope
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Land Tax
1 Path to Exile
1 Swords to Plowshares
//2CC
1 Balance
1 blind Obedience
1 Disenchant
1 Luminarch Ascension
1 Aura of Silence
1 Council's Judgment
1 Ghostly Prison
1 Grasp of Fate
//4CC
1 Armageddon
1 Concerted Effort
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1 Kismet
1 Moat
1 Ravages of War
1 Return to Dust
1 Wrath of God
1 Cathar's Crusade
//6CC
1 Elspeth, Sun's champion
1 Martyr's Bond
1 Secure the Wastes
1 Gilded Drake
1 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
1 Looter il-kor
1 Phantasmal Image
1 Shapesharer
1 Snapcaster Mage
//3CC
1 Chasm Skulker
1 Trinket Mage
1 True-Name Nemesis
1 Clever Impersonator
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
1 Reef Worm
1 Sakashima Imposter
1 Sower of Temptation
1 Talrand, Sky Summoner
1 Venser, Shaper Savant
1 Meloku the Clouded Mirror
1 Mulldrifter
1 Vesuvan Shapeshifter
//6CC
1 Consecrated Sphinx
1 Deadeye Navigator
1 Draining Whelk
1 Frost Titan
//9CC
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Ancestral Vision
1 Brainstorm
1 Ponder
1 Pongify
1 Preordain
1 Serum Visions
//2CC
1 Counterspell
1 Cyclonic Rift
1 Impulse
1 Mana Drain
1 Reality Shift
1 Time Walk
1 Capsize
1 Dissipate
1 Rhystic Study
1 Sphinx's Tutelage
1 Show and Tell
1 Spell Crumple
1 Thassa, God of the Sea
1 Timetwister
1 Tinker
//4CC
1 Curse of the Swine
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Learn from the Past
1 Jace, The Mindsculptor
1 Rite of Replication
1 Bribery
1 Force of Will
1 Jace, Memory Adept
1 Mystic Confluence
1 Tezzeret the Seeker
1 Treachery
//6CC
1 Time Spiral
//7CC
1 Blatant Thievery
//8CC
1 Dig Through Time
1 Treasure Cruise
1 Blood Artist
1 Reassembling Skeleton
1 Wight of Precinct Six
1 Zulaport Cutthroat
//3CC
1 Coffin Queen
1 Drana, liberator of Malakir
1 Flesh Carver
1 Fleshbag Marauder
1 Liliana, Heretical Healer
1 Ophiomancer
1 Vampire Nighthawk
1 Braids, Cabal Minion
1 Brutal Hordechief
1 Corpse Augur
1 Crypt Ghast
1 Disciple of Bolas
1 Fate Unraveler
//5CC
1 Bloodgift Demon
1 Ghoulcaller Gisa
1 Gray Merchant of Asphodel
1 Puppeteer Clique
1 Sidisi, Undead Vizier
1 Grave Titan
1 Harvester of Souls
1 Kokusho, the Evening Star
1 Massacre Wurm
1 Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
//7CC
1 Lord of the Void
1 Sepulchral Primordial
1 Sheoldred, Whispering One
//8CC
1 Griselbrand
1 Innocent Blood
1 Imperial Seal
1 Reanimate
1 Vampiric Tutor
//2CC
1 Animate Dead
1 Bitterblossom
1 Dance of the Dead
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Doom Blade
1 Exhume
1 Liliana of the Veil
1 Necromancy
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Recurring Nightmare
1 Ruinous Path
1 Sudden Spoiling
1 Toxic Deluge
//4CC
1 Damnation
1 Grave Pact
1 Languish
1 Nether Void
1 No Mercy
1 Syphon Mind
1 Whip of Erebos
1 Crux of Fate
1 Dictate of Erebos
1 Living Death
1 Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath
//6CC
1 Exsanguinate
1 Yawgmoth's Bargain
1 Dragonmaster Outcast
1 Goblin Welder
1 Legion Loyalist
//2CC
1 Dwarven Blastminer
1 Kargan Dragonlord
1 Young Pyromancer
//3CC
1 Dualcaster Mage
1 Feldon of the Third Path
1 Goblin Rabblemaster
1 Goblin Sharpshooter
1 Guttersnipe
1 Magus of the Wheel
1 Markov Blademaster
1 Prophetic Flamespeaker
1 Taurean Mauler
1 Viashino Heretic
1 Anger
1 Felhide Spiritbinder
1 Hellrider
1 Hero of Oxid Ridge
1 Krenko, Mob Boss
1 Ogre Battledriver
1 Pia and Kiran Nalaar
//5CC
1 Heartless Hidetsugu
1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
1 Siege-Gang Commander
1 Stormbreath Dragon
1 Thundermaw Hellkite
1 Urabrask the Hidden
1 Goblin Marshal
1 Hellkite Charger
1 Inferno Titan
1 Scourge of the Throne
//7CC
1 Balefire Dragon
1 Molten Primordial
//8CC
1 Magmatic Force
1 Utvara Hellkite
1 Blasphemous Act
1 Faithless Looting
1 Lightning Bolt
1 Vandalblast
//2CC
1 Impact Tremors
//3CC
1 Aggravate Assault
1 Chaos Warp
1 Goblin Assault
1 Molten Psyche
1 Sulfuric Vortex
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Daretti, Scrap Servant
1 Earthquake
1 Fiery confluence
1 Flameshadow Conjuring
1 Koth of the Hammer
1 Purphoros, God of the Forge
1 Relentless Assault
1 Sneak Attack
1 Splinter Twin
1 Comet Storm
1 Mass Mutiny
1 Magmaquake
1 Reforge the Soul
1 Savage Beating
1 Sarkhon, The Dragonspeaker
//6CC
1 Mob Rule
1 Warstorm Surge
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Joraga Treespeaker
1 Scute Mob
//2CC
1 Fauna Shaman
1 Gyre Sage
1 Lotus Cobra
1 Priest of Titania
1 Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Sylvan Caryatid
1 Tarmogoyf
//3CC
1 Champion of Lambholt
1 Den Protector
1 Eternal Witness
1 Fierce Empath
1 Imperious Perfect
1 Managorger Hydra
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Yavimaya Elder
1 Elvish Piper
1 Master of the Wild Hunt
1 Oracle of Mul Daya
1 Primordial Hydra
1 Thrun, The Last Troll
//5CC
1 Acidic Slime
1 Ant Queen
1 Deranged Hermit
1 Kalonian Hydra
1 Mycoloth
1 Thragtusk
//6CC
1 Greenwarden of Mursa
1 Hydra Omnivore
1 Primeval Titan
1 Caller of the Pack
1 Giant Adephage
1 Hornet Queen
1 Sylvan Primordial
//8CC
1 Craterhoof Behemoth
1 Terastodon
1 Woodfall Primus
1 Worldly Tutor
1 Hardened Scales
//2CC
1 Evolutionary Leap
1 Regrowth
1 Survival of the Fittest
1 Sylvan Library
1 Tribute to the Wild
1 Awakening Zone
1 Beastmaster Ascension
1 Beast Within
//4CC
1 Defense of the Heart
1 Garruk Wildspeaker
1 Greater Good
1 Natural Order
1 Parallel Lives
1 Doubling Season
1 Garruk, Primal Hunter
1 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Primal Vigor
//6CC
1 Lurking Predators
1 Primeval Bounty
//7CC
1 Tooth and Nail
WWWUUU
1 Azorius Signet
1 Geist of Saint Traft
1 Wall of Denial
1 Detention Sphere
1 Brago, King Eternal
1 Mirrorweave
1 Supreme Verdict
1 Venser, the Sojourner
1 Medomai the Ageless
1 Drogskol Reaver
1 Flooded Strand
1 Glacial Fortress
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Tundra
UUUBBB
1 Baleful Strix
1 Dimir Signet
1 Evil Twin
1 Mirko Vosk
1 Consuming Aberration
1 Nemesis of Reason
1 Phenax, God of Deception
1 Dragonlord Silumgar
1 Vela the Night-Clad
1 Mind Grind
1 Drowned Catacomb
1 Polluted Delta
1 Underground Sea
1 Watery Grave
BBBRRR
1 Dreadbore
1 Rakdos Signet
1 Terminate
1 Falkenrath Aristocrat
1 Mogis, God of Slaughter
1 Olivia Voldaren
1 Master of Cruelties
1 Kaervek the Merciless
1 Badlands
1 Blood Crypt
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Dragonskull Summit
RRRGGG
1 Artifact Mutation
1 Gruul Signet
1 Sarkhan Vol
1 Xenagos, the Reveler
1 Xenagos, God of Revels
1 Dragon Broodmother
1 Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
1 Savageborn Hydra
1 Dragonlord Atarka
1 Kessig Wolf Run
1 Rootbound Crag
1 Stomping Ground
1 Taiga
1 Wooded Foothills
GGGWWW
1 Rhys The Redeemed
1 Fleecemane Lion
1 Saffi Eriksdotter
1 Selesnya Signet
1 Dauntless Escort
1 Mercy Killing
1 Aura Shards
1 Trostani, Selesnya's Voice
1 Mirari's Wake
1 Phytohydra
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Savannah
1 Sunpetal Grove
1 Temple Garden
1 Windswept Heath
WWWBBB
1 Lingering Souls
1 Orzhov Signet
1 Vizkopa Guildmage
1 Athreos, God of Passage
1 Vindicate
1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
1 Merciless Eviction
1 Unburial Rites
1 Utter End
1 Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts
1 Godless Shrine
1 Isolated Chapel
1 Marsh Flats
1 Scrubland
BBBGGG
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Golgari Signet
1 Putrefy
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Varolz, The Scar-Striped
1 Corpsejack Menace
1 Deathreap Ritual
1 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
1 Vraska the Unseen
1 Garuk, Apex Predator
1 Bayou
1 Woodland Cemetery
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Verdant Catacombs
GGGUUU
1 Simic Signet
1 Zameck Guildmage
1 Trygon Predator
1 Kiora, the Crashing Wave
1 Fathom Mage
1 Master Biomancer
1 Prophet of Kruphix
1 Progenitor Mimic
1 Sagu Mauler
1 Simic Sky Swallower
1 Breeding Pool
1 Hinterland Harbor
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Tropical Island
UUURRR
1 Nin, The Pain Artist
1 Nivix Guildmage
1 Dack Fayden
1 Dack's Duplicate
1 Ral Zarek
1 Steam Augury
1 Dominus of Fealty
1 Prophetic Bolt
1 Keranos, God of Storms
1 Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Sulfur Falls
1 Steam Vents
1 Volcanic Island
RRRWWW
1 Boros Charm
1 Boros Signet
1 Legion's Initiative
1 Master Warcraft
1 Iroas, God of Victory
1 Assemble the Legion
1 Basandra, Battle Seraph
1 Aurelia, The Warleader
1 Aurelia's Fury
1 Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
1 Arid Mesa
1 Clifftop Retreat
1 Plateau
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Siege Rhino
1 Shaman of the Hunt
1 Soulfire Grand Master
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
Whats up with all the clones in blue? Are we going to keep u/r as support only? It would be nice to find a proper theme for them both.
People seem to want more guild cards. I personally am OK with it but the pickings get slim in a few of the guilds.
Let's draft on Wednesday!
Seriously though, were up to 540 cards and after Wednesdays draft I don't think we need to go any higher. I got 5 who want to draft today, drink your beer and terrorize your dog.
On a fun note, I just acquired a WMCQ Geist for our cube. It's pretty
YOU should update the damn cube, all you do is goof around while working at the hospital
OUT:
Kytheon, Hero of Akros
Soul Warden
Knight of the White Orchid
Syndic of Tithes
Serene Master
Flickerwisp
Intrepid Hero
Hundred-Handed One
Cloudgoat Ranger
Karmic Guide
Reveillark
Chained to the Rocks
Entreat the Angels
Rout
IN:
Wall of Omens
Containment Priest
Mangara of Corondor
Mirran Crusader
Loxodon Gatekeeper
Michiko konda, Truth Seeker
Wall of Reverence
Archon of Justice
Soul of Theros
Spirit Bonds
Disenchant
Crib Swap
Spectral Possession
Banishing Light
Lightmine Field
Faith's Reward
Terminus
Secure the Wastes
This list is still a work in progress, but Cube Tutor is always up to date. Draft it in my signature below for something different
Will be doing the Commander 2015 update soon
In --> Out
Fiery Confluence - Rolling Earthquake
Mystic Confluence - Evacuation
Grasp of Fate - Quarantine Field
Blade of Selves - Bonehoard
still looking at adding more cards from C15 but we want to do it in stages to lessen the variables
We just played another session and it was a total blast.
A few new additions off the top of my head
Nether Void
Moat
Imperial Seal
The Tabernacle of Pendrell Vale
Tarmogoyf
Ravages of War
Balance
City of Ass
In general the CMC for every color but Green came down a bit and the cube feels more balance in terms of how each color should play. Green went up and we added a few more creatures. As the power level has increased dramatically, some of the chaff has been cut.
Ulamog 2.0 is a beast and Dimir Mill is a powerhouse if left unchecked. It got ugly!
Out ------- In
Gyre Sage > Sylvan Advocate
Reassembling Skeleton > Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
Awakening Zone > Oath of Nissa
Nylea, God of the Hunt > Forgotten Ancient
Mizzix's Mastery > Chandra, Flamecaller
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn > Nissa, Voice of Zendikar
Lord of the Void > Dread Defiler
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth > Kozilek, the Great Distortion
Perilous Vault > Looter il-Kor
I need to get back to punishing this bad boy on CubeTutor.
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That WAS the plan. The group balked at going quite that high, yet they want MOAR cards.....
Sigh, no one told me being a Cube Manager would be this much work.
Any yes, you do need to keep punishing this bad boy on CuteTutor....
The playgroup is loving the new changes (which are documented on Cubetutor)
Thanks all for the support
I clearly have more free time then you do.