If you went to 450, where would you even begin your cuts? Go to 60 in each color, cut a land and card each from the guilds, and the rest from colorless?
I'm at 450 unpowered right now, but want to try out playing with power and friends so I'm going to proxy some stuff. But finding cuts for cards like Nether Void, Moat, and especially the artifacts is rough. I'm playing the signets and want to keep those until they prove too unwieldy at my size, though I've considered playing 5-8 color agnostic rocks instead. One thing I'm struggling with is keeping in a pet card or two in each color, like Smallpox and Goblin Bombardment, when there just might not be room. Any help would be useful.
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Probably a good time to cross-post this (from Post #2 under my OP)...
This is how we've been drafting recently, and managing events for various sizes. Also introducing Sight Drafting, for any draft-format problem-solving that might help with...
GLIMPSE DRAFT
Glimpse Drafting is a booster draft format that allows for smaller groups of players to simulate the draft process of large-table drafts. It is ideal for 2-4 player events, and allows a larger percentage of the cube pool to get used, so that fewer cards get left behind and each archetype has a chance to get it's support cards seen.
• Each player gets 9 packs of 15 random cube cards each.
• Open the first cube pack.
• Pick 1 card from the pack to add to your pool.
• Then "Burn" 2 cards from the pack (remove them from the draft pool completely).
• Pass the pack to the next drafter at the table.
• Repeat the process until you've picked 5 cards and "burned" 10 cards from the pack.
• Complete the same process for each pack in the draft, alternating the direction each pack is passed.
• Each player should have a pool of 45 cards to build from, just like a traditional booster draft.
SIGHT DRAFT
Sight Drafting is a booster draft format that allows for medium-sized groups of players to simulate the draft process of large-table drafts. It is ideal for 5-6 player events, and allows a larger percentage of the cube pool to get used, so that fewer cards get left behind and each archetype has a chance to get it's support cards seen.
• Each player gets 5 packs of 18 random cube cards each.
• Open the first cube pack.
• Pick 1 card from the pack to add to your pool.
• Then "Burn" 1 card from the pack (remove them from the draft pool completely).
• Pass the pack to the next drafter at the table.
• Repeat the process until you've picked 9 cards and "burned" 9 cards from the pack.
• Complete the same process for each pack in the draft, alternating the direction the pack is passed.
• Each player should have a pool of 45 cards to build from, just like a traditional booster draft.
Event Structures (at 540 cards):
2-player: Glimpse Draft (50% of the cube pool)
3-player: Glimpse Draft (75% of the cube pool)
4-player: Glimpse Draft (100% of the cube pool)
5-player: Sight Draft (83% of the cube pool)
6-player: Sight Draft (100% of the cube pool)
7-player: Booster Draft (58% of the cube pool)
8-player: Booster Draft (67% of the cube pool)
It's been working wonders... NEVER less than 50% of the cube pool for any draft size.
It's been on my mind, so I thought I'd ask: does the power level of the decks in a Glimpse Draft ever bother you because it's too high (avg pick=7 vs avg pick=8 in normal draft)? I can draft a really good deck in that format with absolutely perfect mana and like a nice 8-10 card sideboard. I can't tell if my playgroup is just burning badly and I'm collecting the goodies or if the draft format just naturally lends itself to such decks. Anyway thanks for the nice post laying out all the different options...
It's been on my mind, so I thought I'd ask: does the power level of the decks in a Glimpse Draft ever bother you because it's too high (avg pick=7 vs avg pick=8 in normal draft)? I can draft a really good deck in that format with absolutely perfect mana and like a nice 8-10 card sideboard. I can't tell if my playgroup is just burning badly and I'm collecting the goodies or if the draft format just naturally lends itself to such decks. Anyway thanks for the nice post laying out all the different options...
The deck quality is a little higher, but it's weird. You have a lot of 1st pick cards and a lot of mid pick cards, and not a ton of the great tier 2 stuff. The decks are definitely a bit better, but ...everybody's deck is better. It doesn't really create any imbalance.
Glimpse and Sight drafts both seem like great and interesting ways to draft for smaller crews. My group, however, seems to be reluctant to stray away from the traditional 3 packs of 15 that we're all used to. This has it's up and down sides as well. It's nice because at four people we can take the entirely shuffled cube and get three drafts out of it before we need to shuffle again. It also kind of sucks to only see a third of the card pool when you're drafting, so your [insert random archetype] deck might not come together like you hoped and some archetypes (Burn, Mono-Color Anything) just can't happen at all.
I think I'll try and convince my group to try one of these formats again the next time we're at a lower player count. Thanks for the write-up, man.
It also kind of sucks to only see a third of the card pool when you're drafting, so your [insert random archetype] deck might not come together like you hoped and some archetypes (Burn, Mono-Color Anything) just can't happen at all.
Ya, we considered this to be a really big problem, so Glimpse/Sight drafts were our solution.
My group, however, seems to be reluctant to stray away from the traditional 3 packs of 15 that we're all used to.
From my experience with the exact same thing, you usually only need one glimpse draft to convince people how much better it is than the other options for mid to smaller drafts. Glimpse drafting is just so awesome, pretty much have been exclusively doing it since wtwlf and ColbyCube brainstormed the idea roughly ~2-3 years ago.
My group, however, seems to be reluctant to stray away from the traditional 3 packs of 15 that we're all used to.
From my experience with the exact same thing, you usually only need one glimpse draft to convince people how much better it is than the other options for mid to smaller drafts. Glimpse drafting is just so awesome, pretty much have been exclusively doing it since wtwlf and ColbyCube brainstormed the idea roughly ~2-3 years ago.
Sweet!
Hey, if you guys sit down for a draft that's too big for a Glimpse Draft but might be less than ideal as a traditional draft (for my 540 cube, that was 5-6 players) try a Sight Draft.
My group, however, seems to be reluctant to stray away from the traditional 3 packs of 15 that we're all used to.
From my experience with the exact same thing, you usually only need one glimpse draft to convince people how much better it is than the other options for mid to smaller drafts. Glimpse drafting is just so awesome, pretty much have been exclusively doing it since wtwlf and ColbyCube brainstormed the idea roughly ~2-3 years ago.
Sweet!
Hey, if you guys sit down for a draft that's too big for a Glimpse Draft but might be less than ideal as a traditional draft (for my 540 cube, that was 5-6 players) try a Sight Draft.
We're happy if we get 4 people together, but I can see how it would be awesome!
I have it at 540 as I like to have exactly enough for 4 person glimpse. Typically we revert to standard booster drafting when we get above 4, but I'm going to keep this in mind the next time the proverbial cube starts align in this corner of the country.
We have done multiple glimpse drafts and a sight draft now and getting to use the majority or all of the pool now is making the decks and drafting even more fun and stronger.
We have done multiple glimpse drafts and a sight draft now and getting to use the majority or all of the pool now is making the decks and drafting even more fun and stronger.
Yes. That, znd Both Tracker and Excavator play more like 4-drops than 3-drops, and green's 4cc creatures need all the help they can get. Oath is a preference cut, not a performance cut. I love Osth of Nissa, and I play it all the time. But I'm pretty much the only player in my playgroup that'll use it. Tracker is a good Magic card, and despite initial testing woes, it's been playing well, and providing green midrange decks with a tool to combat control's various card advantage plays.
Did some searches but couldn't find and answer. How does a "sight draft" work? I'm presuming it's pick 1 burn 1 but couldn't see a definite card it was linking to like glimpse.
I'm at 450 unpowered right now, but want to try out playing with power and friends so I'm going to proxy some stuff. But finding cuts for cards like Nether Void, Moat, and especially the artifacts is rough. I'm playing the signets and want to keep those until they prove too unwieldy at my size, though I've considered playing 5-8 color agnostic rocks instead. One thing I'm struggling with is keeping in a pet card or two in each color, like Smallpox and Goblin Bombardment, when there just might not be room. Any help would be useful.
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This is how we've been drafting recently, and managing events for various sizes. Also introducing Sight Drafting, for any draft-format problem-solving that might help with...
GLIMPSE DRAFT
Glimpse Drafting is a booster draft format that allows for smaller groups of players to simulate the draft process of large-table drafts. It is ideal for 2-4 player events, and allows a larger percentage of the cube pool to get used, so that fewer cards get left behind and each archetype has a chance to get it's support cards seen.
• Each player gets 9 packs of 15 random cube cards each.
• Open the first cube pack.
• Pick 1 card from the pack to add to your pool.
• Then "Burn" 2 cards from the pack (remove them from the draft pool completely).
• Pass the pack to the next drafter at the table.
• Repeat the process until you've picked 5 cards and "burned" 10 cards from the pack.
• Complete the same process for each pack in the draft, alternating the direction each pack is passed.
• Each player should have a pool of 45 cards to build from, just like a traditional booster draft.
SIGHT DRAFT
Sight Drafting is a booster draft format that allows for medium-sized groups of players to simulate the draft process of large-table drafts. It is ideal for 5-6 player events, and allows a larger percentage of the cube pool to get used, so that fewer cards get left behind and each archetype has a chance to get it's support cards seen.
• Each player gets 5 packs of 18 random cube cards each.
• Open the first cube pack.
• Pick 1 card from the pack to add to your pool.
• Then "Burn" 1 card from the pack (remove them from the draft pool completely).
• Pass the pack to the next drafter at the table.
• Repeat the process until you've picked 9 cards and "burned" 9 cards from the pack.
• Complete the same process for each pack in the draft, alternating the direction the pack is passed.
• Each player should have a pool of 45 cards to build from, just like a traditional booster draft.
Event Structures (at 540 cards):
2-player: Glimpse Draft (50% of the cube pool)
3-player: Glimpse Draft (75% of the cube pool)
4-player: Glimpse Draft (100% of the cube pool)
5-player: Sight Draft (83% of the cube pool)
6-player: Sight Draft (100% of the cube pool)
7-player: Booster Draft (58% of the cube pool)
8-player: Booster Draft (67% of the cube pool)
It's been working wonders... NEVER less than 50% of the cube pool for any draft size.
My 630 Card Powered Cube
My Article - "Cube Design Philosophy"
My Article - "Mana Short: A study in limited resource management."
My 50th Set (P)review - Discusses my top 20 Cube cards from OTJ!
It's been on my mind, so I thought I'd ask: does the power level of the decks in a Glimpse Draft ever bother you because it's too high (avg pick=7 vs avg pick=8 in normal draft)? I can draft a really good deck in that format with absolutely perfect mana and like a nice 8-10 card sideboard. I can't tell if my playgroup is just burning badly and I'm collecting the goodies or if the draft format just naturally lends itself to such decks. Anyway thanks for the nice post laying out all the different options...
The deck quality is a little higher, but it's weird. You have a lot of 1st pick cards and a lot of mid pick cards, and not a ton of the great tier 2 stuff. The decks are definitely a bit better, but ...everybody's deck is better. It doesn't really create any imbalance.
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My Article - "Mana Short: A study in limited resource management."
My 50th Set (P)review - Discusses my top 20 Cube cards from OTJ!
I think I'll try and convince my group to try one of these formats again the next time we're at a lower player count. Thanks for the write-up, man.
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Ya, we considered this to be a really big problem, so Glimpse/Sight drafts were our solution.
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My Article - "Mana Short: A study in limited resource management."
My 50th Set (P)review - Discusses my top 20 Cube cards from OTJ!
From my experience with the exact same thing, you usually only need one glimpse draft to convince people how much better it is than the other options for mid to smaller drafts. Glimpse drafting is just so awesome, pretty much have been exclusively doing it since wtwlf and ColbyCube brainstormed the idea roughly ~2-3 years ago.
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Sweet!
Hey, if you guys sit down for a draft that's too big for a Glimpse Draft but might be less than ideal as a traditional draft (for my 540 cube, that was 5-6 players) try a Sight Draft.
My 630 Card Powered Cube
My Article - "Cube Design Philosophy"
My Article - "Mana Short: A study in limited resource management."
My 50th Set (P)review - Discusses my top 20 Cube cards from OTJ!
We're happy if we get 4 people together, but I can see how it would be awesome!
Also, follow us on twitter! @TurnOneMagic
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My Article - "Mana Short: A study in limited resource management."
My 50th Set (P)review - Discusses my top 20 Cube cards from OTJ!
Also, follow us on twitter! @TurnOneMagic
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My Article - "Mana Short: A study in limited resource management."
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Glad your group has been enjoying it!
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