I wanted to first thank you for making this cube and keeping it up to date. I realize it must be quite a bit of work.
Second, a few days ago I decided to make a cube (a friend of mine has been trying to convince me for a few years) and I found yours to be pretty much in line with the cards I have available and the goals I wanted to achieve. I'm going through my collection and so far I have gathered just over 200 cards out of 540 (it's a slow process because of the size of my collection).
So with all that said I do have some questions for you if you don't mind helping me out:
I notice that some of your cards have custom images, I was wondering how you did this (if you just took a printed image and placed it over a real card) and if you could tell me where you got them? Do you have a handy link?
I've noticed that some of the cards listed vs the images shown in the pictures vs the linked cube databases are slightly different. Is the listing found here the most up to date? http://www.cubetutor.com/viewcube/170
I look forward to seeing the changes you plan on making for Origin. I'm going to be taking part of the release event next week at the store I frequent. I'll be sure to post feedback if you're interested.
I am hard at work collecting the parts for my cube and with the upcoming Magic Origins release a question arose. How do you play with the Transforming cards in your cube. Do you just pull them out and flip them each time, or do you have a separate copy of the card stored with say your tokens and use the check-mark cards.
I am hard at work collecting the parts for my cube and with the upcoming Magic Origins release a question arose. How do you play with the Transforming cards in your cube. Do you just pull them out and flip them each time, or do you have a separate copy of the card stored with say your tokens and use the check-mark cards.
Thanks in advance.
This is actually a good question, I personally don't like the idea of people taking cards out of sleeves lol! Not that I don't trust my friends but that's how accidents happen.
Thanks for the kind words! Glad you enjoy the cube list, and I hope you have fun drafting it.
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I notice that some of your cards have custom images, I was wondering how you did this (if you just took a printed image and placed it over a real card) and if you could tell me where you got them?
I'm not sure what you mean about the images. You mean my altered cards seen in the pictures of the OP of this thread? If so, those cards have all been physically altered by artists with acrylic paint. They use thin layers of paint to go over the surface of a real card and create either extended artwork or entirely new images. They etch the paint around the critical text boxes so you can still see what the card does.
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I've noticed that some of the cards listed vs the images shown in the pictures vs the linked cube databases are slightly different. Is the listing found here the most up to date?
The pictures in the OP are out of date, but the list is accurate. As is the list on CubeTutor. Both lists include every card I'm currently running except the ones from the upcoming Origins release. That update will be done as soon as CubeTutor has the images available for that set.
If you want to see the planned changes for that set, post #4 of this thread has the change log and the proposed origins changes listed there, so you can see what the plan is for the origins update.
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How do you play with the Transforming cards in your cube. Do you just pull them out and flip them each time...?
Do the artists you mention sell these acrylic works online? Since I live in Canada I wouldn't mind making some orders. For example, I don't have a black lotus, so an acrylic version could solve that problem
I don't know about using the artists to create proxies. All the artists I've used have painted over real cards. But yes, you can find people available online that will paint cards for you, and probably a couple that would be able to make proxy power for you to use.
There's an altered art thread in the art subforum here on MTGS. I'd browse that thread, find artists you like, and commission them to create the cards you want. There are several that work out of Canada.
It's a big Magic subculture. Have fun exploring it if you're interested in altered art cards. It's a big and increasingly popular part of collecting now.
Although I bet I could find some alternate art that I would love, that's just the gravy. What I really want is to have the cards I'm missing that I can't reasonably expect to have in the cube like a black lotus. My wife would murder me if I bought one lol.
hey! to follow up with my question in the This/That thread, what has been your play experience thus far with DRS? I was always under the impression that he was subpar in cube due to the inability to land fetchlands consistently, so I was surprised to hear everyone's preference for him over Vraska or Garruk, AP. what kind of decks usually pick up DRS, what is his role, and how does he typically perform?
He's just a cheap utility creature that grinds out advantages over the course of the game. It only ramps occasionally, but it can hate out creatures from the 'yard and gain life, and he does a surprising amount of direct damage for a 1-drop. It's probably solidly in the #4 or #5 slot for Golgari.
I'm still surprised every time i see DRS has 2 toughness with all the utility he has for a one drop.
Thassa never really turns on for us, but providing unblockability and scry 1 every turn is almost always great. What kind of card would you run in her place that kind of does the same thing but better assuming she would never become a creature?
I don't know. It's hard to replace that exact effect, because granting evasion and having the card selection engine rolled up into one card is really rare. I think if I wanted that specific combination of effects, I'd just run Thassa. She's pretty good.
You can use something like Citadel Siege to get the repeatable noncreature card selection, and the new Whirler Rogue does a pretty sweet job granting evasion, but she's your best bet if you want both rolled up into one card.
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Edit: Also, the OP is updated with Origins! CubeTutor and Tappedout will be updated when the images are available for those sites.
Origins changes look overall pretty solid. A few comments, though:
White's changes look like they cut two solidly Control cards for two very powerful aggro/midrange cards. Any concern this weakens white control relative to aggro too much?
Not sure I can get behind the Skeleton->Despoiler change. Despoiler is a much stronger aggressive creature, but only really in straight black aggro. Skeleton plays a strong role in control lists as a repeating blocker/sword carrier, and also works well in the Pox/Stax archetype as something that can be repeatedly sacked (Despoiler won't come back often enough for this). BB is also harder to utilize than 1B. I guess you also trimmed the Pox cards a bit, so maybe you're just moving away from that archetype?
I think that's it.
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In white, those two control cards weren't being maindecked much. Instead of making like-for-like swaps, I removed worse cards for better ones. It was about form, not function in white this time around.
Reassembling Skeleton is good in one deck, but otherwise it's just a terrible Magic card. With the Pox archetype being scaled back to have more generic good black aggro decks on the prowl, Skeleton's only home is being deforested, and I'm clearing him out for a creature that's going to be better in aggro, in addition to having some recursion utility.
Just having a little more diversity in black. There was nothing wrong with the deck, but it required several specific cards that didn't see play in any other kind of deck, and I wanted to open it up a little bit.
I wanted to first thank you for making this cube and keeping it up to date. I realize it must be quite a bit of work.
Second, a few days ago I decided to make a cube (a friend of mine has been trying to convince me for a few years) and I found yours to be pretty much in line with the cards I have available and the goals I wanted to achieve. I'm going through my collection and so far I have gathered just over 200 cards out of 540 (it's a slow process because of the size of my collection).
So with all that said I do have some questions for you if you don't mind helping me out:
I notice that some of your cards have custom images, I was wondering how you did this (if you just took a printed image and placed it over a real card) and if you could tell me where you got them? Do you have a handy link?
I've noticed that some of the cards listed vs the images shown in the pictures vs the linked cube databases are slightly different. Is the listing found here the most up to date?
http://www.cubetutor.com/viewcube/170
I look forward to seeing the changes you plan on making for Origin. I'm going to be taking part of the release event next week at the store I frequent. I'll be sure to post feedback if you're interested.
I am hard at work collecting the parts for my cube and with the upcoming Magic Origins release a question arose. How do you play with the Transforming cards in your cube. Do you just pull them out and flip them each time, or do you have a separate copy of the card stored with say your tokens and use the check-mark cards.
Thanks in advance.
This is actually a good question, I personally don't like the idea of people taking cards out of sleeves lol! Not that I don't trust my friends but that's how accidents happen.
I'm not sure what you mean about the images. You mean my altered cards seen in the pictures of the OP of this thread? If so, those cards have all been physically altered by artists with acrylic paint. They use thin layers of paint to go over the surface of a real card and create either extended artwork or entirely new images. They etch the paint around the critical text boxes so you can still see what the card does.
The pictures in the OP are out of date, but the list is accurate. As is the list on CubeTutor. Both lists include every card I'm currently running except the ones from the upcoming Origins release. That update will be done as soon as CubeTutor has the images available for that set.
If you want to see the planned changes for that set, post #4 of this thread has the change log and the proposed origins changes listed there, so you can see what the plan is for the origins update.
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Do the artists you mention sell these acrylic works online? Since I live in Canada I wouldn't mind making some orders. For example, I don't have a black lotus, so an acrylic version could solve that problem
There's an altered art thread in the art subforum here on MTGS. I'd browse that thread, find artists you like, and commission them to create the cards you want. There are several that work out of Canada.
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Thassa never really turns on for us, but providing unblockability and scry 1 every turn is almost always great. What kind of card would you run in her place that kind of does the same thing but better assuming she would never become a creature?
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You can use something like Citadel Siege to get the repeatable noncreature card selection, and the new Whirler Rogue does a pretty sweet job granting evasion, but she's your best bet if you want both rolled up into one card.
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Edit: Also, the OP is updated with Origins! CubeTutor and Tappedout will be updated when the images are available for those sites.
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White's changes look like they cut two solidly Control cards for two very powerful aggro/midrange cards. Any concern this weakens white control relative to aggro too much?
Not sure I can get behind the Skeleton->Despoiler change. Despoiler is a much stronger aggressive creature, but only really in straight black aggro. Skeleton plays a strong role in control lists as a repeating blocker/sword carrier, and also works well in the Pox/Stax archetype as something that can be repeatedly sacked (Despoiler won't come back often enough for this). BB is also harder to utilize than 1B. I guess you also trimmed the Pox cards a bit, so maybe you're just moving away from that archetype?
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Reassembling Skeleton is good in one deck, but otherwise it's just a terrible Magic card. With the Pox archetype being scaled back to have more generic good black aggro decks on the prowl, Skeleton's only home is being deforested, and I'm clearing him out for a creature that's going to be better in aggro, in addition to having some recursion utility.
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