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Looks solid all around. I'd cut Bloodgift for Nezumi Graverobber. I'd run the Nezumi in a 360 cube. It's not hard to flip him on turn 3 and he randomly hoses Genesis and such.
Changes made, thanks rant maybe graverobber will be better this time around.
Requesting M13 performance feedback!! How have the new cards been doimg for everyone? Specifically sublime archangel, augur of bolas, liliana of the dark realms and thragtusk?
Was going to post this in wtwlf's thread because he gets a lot of traffic but looks like he's taking a brief break. Hopefully I get a few responses as I haven't been able to get all the new M13 cards yet!
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Nice! First person I've met with the same birthday. Sad that augur of bolas is dissapointing, I was excited to have my black section touched up. Anyone else weigh in on m13 performers?
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Hey all, haven't posted in a while now but wanted to update with some changes I've made up to Return to Ravnica. I didn't know how to make the changes look pretty so what you see is a simple in and out. This list is a sum of all changes since I last updated my cube and the changes aren't specific cards replacing specific cards. Let me know what you think and please mention any suggestions you might have for me, thanks!
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Somberwald Sage was ok, but not good enough. There were just better options to bring in I think. To be honest I never had Sublime Archangel in my paper list and just decided not to run her. It doesn't seem like many people are running her either so I left her out.
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Placeholders- ya kind of. U/G is pretty weak overall, and I am more trying to test forbidden alchemy than anything. As for the Ghitu Encampment I wasn't sure what to cut in red so that may not have been the best choice, what do you think would be better?
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Sorry for the bump folks but my link died and I don't want my thread to be removed for inactivity or anything. I update every set and will be adding GTC soon!
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Here are SOME proposed changes in preparation for the Gatecrash release. I haven't had a chance to look at the mono colored stuff closely yet, so suggestions would be great! (I flinched when seeing some of the things I was still playing in the guild section.)
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Deathrite Shaman should definitely be in over Vraska imo, so that change was all good.
There are only a few one-drops that I would consider first picking over the Shaman (Mother of Runes, Goblin Guide, Figure etc.). It has been incredible for us.
It's really more of a black card than a green card, as you wouldn't play it without black mana, but it's still very playable without green mana.
Deathrite Shaman should definitely be in over Vraska imo, so that change was all good.
There are only a few one-drops that I would consider first picking over the Shaman (Mother of Runes, Goblin Guide, Figure etc.). It has been incredible for us.
It's really more of a black card than a green card, as you wouldn't play it without black mana, but it's still very playable without green mana.
Thanks! I love the card but wasn't sure how it would do in a cube environment. I'll put it in and see how it goes.
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It's been since Gatecrash since I've posted updates to my cube so it may need more work than this, but it's a start. Big thanks to Eidolon232 for his cube comparison thread, it helped a lot! Feedback from anyone would be great.
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Those are all good changes, but I like Ember Hauler better than Searing Spear and Devil's Play and I like Phantom Centaur more than Wolfir Silverheart, Indrik Stomphowler, and Ohran Viper.
Rantipole:
I was having a hard time deciding what to pull in red, the other cards I was thinking about cutting were Devil's Play and Brimstone Volley. Maybe I'll cut the Devil's Play like you suggested instead of ember hauler.
Eidolon232:
-What about cutting emeria angel for ranger of eos instead of cutting rout? Those 2 drops look good but not overly exciting. Kor Haven looks good thought, how good has it been for you?
-The Inkwell Leviathan was to give more fuel for Tinker and reanimator decks but I really like the Augur of Bolas suggestion instead. I think I want to try out Aetherling and replacing a current 6 drop (Keiga, the Tide Star) seems like the logical choice don't you think?
-I've been trying to replace a bunch of black stuff for a while and Liliana Vess and Graveborn Muse have been pretty underwhelming, do you have any other suggestions besides Braids? I know Braids is really good but we just choose not to run her.
-Sneak Attack looks too fun not to at least try out :), I know there isn't much support for it in red, I planned on it being a splash card for other colors. Do you like Ember Hauler or no? I'm not sure if I should cut it or not.
-Regarding the 4 drops, I didn't know what else to cut. I have no idea how good Oracle of Mul Daya is, or the order of Chameleon Colossus, Deadbridge Goliath, and Phantom Centaur. If you could only keep one which would you hold on to? Pulling Ulvenwald Tracker and Bramblecrush seem like clear upgrades to me though.
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How does Precinct Captain do in your cube? I recently added him to my cube and haven't really gotten any results. I'm thinking about taking him out already.
In theory, I like Ranger of Eos better than Emeria Angel, but I haven't cubed Ranger and cut Angel a long time ago.
Out of the white cards, I like the Pegasi and Glorious Anthem the best, followed by Precinct Captain. However, I don't think I'd run more than one of the flying horses. Kor Haven is pretty great and I'm thinking of giving it another run in my cube.
I'd totally cut Keiga for Aetherling, and I like all the cards eidolon mentions better than Keiga, except maybe Cyclonic Rift. However, my cut for Aetherling would be Shelldock Isle.
I like Graveborn Muse OK--certainly more than Ink-Eyes, Bloodgift Demon, and Puppeteer Clique. Liliana Vess is totally cuttable. Out of the cards eidolon recommends, I like Marauder and Inquisition the best. Wurm is great but you have enough high-end drops in black already. I'd also suggest Chainer's Edict.
Sneak Attack doesn't need a lot of support in red. It works fine with the fatties/ETB guys in other colors. It's pretty savage with Mimic Vat, Recurring Nightmare, Erratic Portal, Greater Gargadon, Volrath's Stronghold, etc.
I like Phantom Centaur the best out of the 4-drop green creatures mentioned. I don't like the Tracker and I found Bramblecrush unnecessary and don't run it anymore. I prefer to run Naturalize.
@Tinman: Precinct Captain has been ok, the double white mana cost is the dealbreaker I think, at least for me. I'm happy taking mine out for a Stormfront Pegasus.
Thanks again to everyone that commented, it's been a huge help and I feel like these changes are far and away much better than my first changes were. Here are the adds/cuts I decided on!
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1. Is there an easy way to figure out card prices for my cube, maybe even in a sortable way? Could I export it to a different website to do this, without having to type in each card 1 by 1?
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No idea on the first question. On the second, I don't cube with Entreat because I haven't been able to get one. When I do, it will replace Decree of Justice immediately. Kudzu is pretty good. It's not a staple, but it's very useful if you support green aggro and it's not useless in midrange. In your list, I'd cut Emeria Angel for Entreat and Berserk or Chameleon Colossus for Kudzu (I like Phantom Centaur better than Colossus, but many on this board disagree).
Thanks Rant, I don't own an Entreat either but I like your idea of cutting Emeria Angel. I do support green aggro and I'm meh on both Chameleon Colossus and Phantom Centaur (a little meh on Kudzu too but I want to see how it goes). Thanks sir.
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Ajani, caller of the pride -> Archon of justice
Sublime Archangel -> Calciderm
Liliana of the dark realms -> Nether Void
Augur of Bolas -> Plague Sliver
Searing Spear -> Searing Blaze
Flames of the Firebrand -> Slagstorm
Thundermaw Hellkite -> Chandra, the Firebrand
Thragtusk -> Creeping Mold
Maybes...
Yeva
Non M13 changes... (OUT -> IN)
Choking Sands -> Sarcomancy
Sorin Markov -> Massacre Wurm
Looking to cut Bloodgift Demon as well, not sure for what yet
Feedback wanted and appreciated...
EDIT: don't know why the adds -> cuts got switched around, sorry for confusion
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Requesting M13 performance feedback!! How have the new cards been doimg for everyone? Specifically sublime archangel, augur of bolas, liliana of the dark realms and thragtusk?
Was going to post this in wtwlf's thread because he gets a lot of traffic but looks like he's taking a brief break. Hopefully I get a few responses as I haven't been able to get all the new M13 cards yet!
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1 Precinct Captain
1 Concecrated Sphinx
1 Shelldock Isle
1 cyclone rift
1 condescend
1 pack rat
1 bloodgift demon
1 ash zealot
1 gore-house chainwalker
1 fireblast
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IN - - - > OUT
Boros Charm -> Brion Stoutarm
Duskmantle Seer -> Oona, Queen of the Fae
*** Deathrite Shaman -> Vraska the Unseen
Armada Wurm -> Sigarda, Host of Herons
Simic Charm -> Coiling Oracle <finally> (Prime Speaker Zegana good enough too?)
***Obzedat, Ghost Council -> Stillmoon Cavalier
Experiment One -> ? ? ? ? ?
***Dimir Charm -> ? ? ? ? ?
***= unsure about this addition
? ? ? ? ?= unsure what to cut for the proposed addition
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Boros Charm IN Brion Stoutarm OUT
Duskmantle Seer IN Oona, Queen of the Fae OUT
Simic Charm IN Coiling Oracle OUT
Any thoughts on the cards in the above post that didn't make it in? Especially Vraska the Unseen versus Deathrite Shaman?
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There are only a few one-drops that I would consider first picking over the Shaman (Mother of Runes, Goblin Guide, Figure etc.). It has been incredible for us.
It's really more of a black card than a green card, as you wouldn't play it without black mana, but it's still very playable without green mana.
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Thanks! I love the card but wasn't sure how it would do in a cube environment. I'll put it in and see how it goes.
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Out --- In
Rout--- Ranger of Eos
gilded drake --- inkwell leviathan
keiga, the tide star --- aetherling
graveborn muse --- blood scrivener
liliana of the dark realms --- inquisition of kozilek
liliana vess --- smallpox
ember hauler --- pyrewild shaman
reckless charge ---sneak attack
ulvenwald tracker --- experiment one
chameleon colossus --- wolf-bitten captive
deadbridge goliath --- mayor of avabruck
bramblecrush --- natural order
lightning greaves --- worn powerstone
phantom centaur --- oracle of mul daya
desolate lighthouse --- ral zarek
sigarda, host of herons --- knight of the reliquary
loam lion --- voice of resurgence
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Rantipole:
I was having a hard time deciding what to pull in red, the other cards I was thinking about cutting were Devil's Play and Brimstone Volley. Maybe I'll cut the Devil's Play like you suggested instead of ember hauler.
Eidolon232:
-What about cutting emeria angel for ranger of eos instead of cutting rout? Those 2 drops look good but not overly exciting. Kor Haven looks good thought, how good has it been for you?
-The Inkwell Leviathan was to give more fuel for Tinker and reanimator decks but I really like the Augur of Bolas suggestion instead. I think I want to try out Aetherling and replacing a current 6 drop (Keiga, the Tide Star) seems like the logical choice don't you think?
-I've been trying to replace a bunch of black stuff for a while and Liliana Vess and Graveborn Muse have been pretty underwhelming, do you have any other suggestions besides Braids? I know Braids is really good but we just choose not to run her.
-Sneak Attack looks too fun not to at least try out :), I know there isn't much support for it in red, I planned on it being a splash card for other colors. Do you like Ember Hauler or no? I'm not sure if I should cut it or not.
-Regarding the 4 drops, I didn't know what else to cut. I have no idea how good Oracle of Mul Daya is, or the order of Chameleon Colossus, Deadbridge Goliath, and Phantom Centaur. If you could only keep one which would you hold on to? Pulling Ulvenwald Tracker and Bramblecrush seem like clear upgrades to me though.
Hesitant Changes (based on previous changes a few posts ago)
out --- in
Emeria Angel (keep rout) --- Ranger of Eos
Inkwell Leviathan --- Augur of Bolas
Liliana Vess --- [something other than smallpox?]
Devil's Play (keep ember hauler) --- Pyrewild Shaman
Oracle of Mul Daya --- chameleon colossus OR phantom centaur?
Let me know what you think...
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Out of the white cards, I like the Pegasi and Glorious Anthem the best, followed by Precinct Captain. However, I don't think I'd run more than one of the flying horses. Kor Haven is pretty great and I'm thinking of giving it another run in my cube.
I'd totally cut Keiga for Aetherling, and I like all the cards eidolon mentions better than Keiga, except maybe Cyclonic Rift. However, my cut for Aetherling would be Shelldock Isle.
I like Graveborn Muse OK--certainly more than Ink-Eyes, Bloodgift Demon, and Puppeteer Clique. Liliana Vess is totally cuttable. Out of the cards eidolon recommends, I like Marauder and Inquisition the best. Wurm is great but you have enough high-end drops in black already. I'd also suggest Chainer's Edict.
Sneak Attack doesn't need a lot of support in red. It works fine with the fatties/ETB guys in other colors. It's pretty savage with Mimic Vat, Recurring Nightmare, Erratic Portal, Greater Gargadon, Volrath's Stronghold, etc.
I like Phantom Centaur the best out of the 4-drop green creatures mentioned. I don't like the Tracker and I found Bramblecrush unnecessary and don't run it anymore. I prefer to run Naturalize.
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Thanks again to everyone that commented, it's been a huge help and I feel like these changes are far and away much better than my first changes were. Here are the adds/cuts I decided on!
IN ---> OUT
Stormfront pegasus --- Precinct Captain
Ranger of Eos --- Rout
Aetherling --- Keiga, the tide star
augur of bolas --- gilded drake
reassembling skeleton --- ink-eyes, servant of oni
inquisition of kozilek --- liliana of the dark realms
blood scrivener --- liliana vess
dauthi marauder --- bloodgift demon
sneak attack --- devil's play
pyrewild shaman --- ember hauler
natural order --- bramblecrush
experiment one --- ulvenwald tracker
wolfbitten captive --- deadbridge goliath
worn powerstone --- lightning greaves
knight of the reliquary --- sigarda, host of herons
voice of resurgence --- loam lion
ral zarek --- desolate lighthouse
Unsure about white, I know I have a lot of 4 drop creatures, and one of them may need to be sublime archangel, not sure...
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OUT ----------> IN
Cloistered Youth - Soldier of the Pantheon
Stormfront Pegasus - Imposing Sovereign
Ajani, Caller of the Pride - Spear of Heliod
Elspeth Tirel - Elspeth, Sun's Champion
(<TBD> - Entreat the Angels)
Psionic Blast - Thassa, God of the Sea
Repeal - Opposition
Sewer Nemesis - Tormented Hero
Barter in Blood - Hero's Downfall
Torch Fiend - Firedrinker Satyr
Pyrewild Shaman - Young Pyromancer
Fireblast - Purphoros, God of the Forge
Brimstone Volley - Lightning Strike
Red Sun's Zenith - Bonfire of the Damned
Krosan Tusker - Elvish Mystic
Ohran Viper - Sylvan Caryatid
Indrik Stomphowler - Polukranos, World Eater
Wolfir Silverheart - Kalonian Hydra
(TBD - <Vinelasher Kudzu>)
simic growth chamber - temple of mystery
ghor-clan rampager - xenagos, the reveler
prophetic bolt - steam augury
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2. Should I add Entreat the Angels and/or Vinelasher Kudzu, if so what could I take out for them? Thanks!
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