Cube Size: 630 Cards Breakdown: 75 Each Color, 75 Artifacts, 95 Multicolor, 85 Lands Standard or Theme: Standard Average Draft: 4-6 players, 1-2 times/week
Card Selection:
Powered: Yes Portal: No "Un-" Cards: No Any "Banned" Cards: No
Cube Design:
Standard or Multiplayer: Standard Snow Cube: No Sideboards: Yes, but no sideboard specific cards in cube Proxies: Yes Functional Reprints: Yes Perfect Creature/Non-Creature Balance: No Gold "As Printed" or "As Played": As Played Perfectly Balanced CMC: No
//Blue
Careful Consideration --> Frantic Search
Conundrum Sphinx --> Trinket Mage
Mind Control --> Confiscate
Persuasion --> Volition Reins
//Black
Barter in Blood --> Ashes to Ashes
Decree of Pain --> Duress
Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief --> Fume Spitter
Sudden Spoiling --> Skinrender
//Red
Chandra Ablaze --> Koth of the Hammer
Arc Slogger --> Spikeshot Elder
Molten Disaster --> Oxidda Scrapmelter
//Green
Ravenous Baloth --> Bellowing Tanglewurm
//Artifacts
Phyrexian Processor --> Mimic Vat
Grim Poppet --> Myr Battlesphere
Darksteel Colossus --> Wurmcoil Engine
Stuffy Doll --> Molten-Tail Masticore
Platinum Angel --> Chimeric Mass
Tormod's Crypt --> Nim Deathmantle
Obelisk of Alara --> Sword of Body and Mind
Etched Oracle --> Ratchet Bomb
//Multicolored
Windreaver --> Venser, the Sojourner
Firemane Angel --> Goblin Trenches
//White
Saltblast --> Pianna, Nomad Captain
//Blue
Ethersworn Adjudicator --> Gilded Drake
Sphinx of Lost Truths --> Misdirection
Opportunity --> Memory Lapse
//Black
Fume Spitter --> Unearth
Undead Gladiator --> Corpse Dance
Terror --> Nether Void
//Red
Puncture Blast --> Arc Lightning
Volcanic Fallout --> Arc Trail
Wildfire --> Words of War
Flame Slash --> Goblin Welder
Kumano, Master Yamabushi --> Hell's Thunder
Destructive Force --> Hellspark Elemental
Dragonmaster Outcast --> Jackal Pup
Magus of the Moon --> Ravenous Baboons
//Green
Bellowing Tanglewurm --> Krosan Tusker
Kamahl, Fist of Krosa --> Carven Caryatid
Iwamori of the Open Fist --> Caller of the Claw
Desert Twister --> Stunted Growth
//Artifacts
Ratchet Bomb --> Karn, Silver Golem
Staff of Domination --> Precursor Golem
//Multicolored
Dimir Guildmage --> Recoil
Ghastlord of Fugue --> Wydwen, the Biting Gale
Wrecking Ball --> Sarkhan the Mad
Spellbreaker Behemoth --> Deus of Calamity
Call the Skybreaker --> Spellbound Dragon
Dominus of Fealty --> Suffocating Blast
Uril, the Miststalker --> Rith, the Awakener
Maelstrom Archangel --> Maelstrom Nexus
//Black
Kagemaro, First to Suffer --> Massacre Wurm
Unearth --> Go For the Throat
Desolation Angel --> Black Sun's Zenith
//Red
Hearth Kami --> Goblin Wardriver
Dwarven Blastminer --> Hero of Oxid Ridge
Demonfire --> Red Sun's Zenith
Akroma, Angel of Fury --> Godo, Bandit Warlord
Kird Ape --> Slagstorm
//Green
Caller of the Claw --> Green Sun's Zenith
Master of the Wild Hunt --> Thrun, the Last Troll
Wild Nacatl --> Praetor's Counsel
Arashi, the Sky Asunder --> Hurricane
//Artifacts
Karn, Silver Golem --> Phyrexian Revoker
Triskelavus --> Signal Pest
Loxodon Warhammer --> Viridian Claw
Sword of Vengeance --> Sword of Feast and Famine
Nim Deathmantle --> Bonehoard
//Multicolored
Rasputin Dreamweaver --> Wall of Denial
Iridescent Angel --> Momentary Blink
Agony Warp --> Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
Deus of Calamity --> Kird Ape
Behemoth Sledge --> Loam Lion
Nath of the Gilt-Leaf --> Glissa, the Traitor
Crosis's Charm --> Thraximundar
Sprouting Thrinax --> Madrush Cyclops
Rith, the Awakener --> Thornscape Battlemage
Realm Razer --> Wild Nacatl
Empyrial Archangel --> Supply//Demand
//White
Pristine Angel --> Leonin Relic-Warder
//Blue
Jace's Ingenuity --> Ancestral Recall
Evacuation --> Time Walk
Compulsive Research --> Timetwister
//Green
Hurricane --> Primordial Hydra
Stonewood Invocation --> Scavenging Ooze
Kodama of the North Tree --> Garruk, Primal Hunter
Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger --> Birthing Pod
Farseek --> Skinshifter
The latest update adds both Commander and M12 changes, along with a few other changes here and there. The cube is also now completely resleeved, and I hope to be able to get up pictures of the new sexiness fairly soon. Until then, I hope you enjoy the latest update, and as always, I look forward to hearing your thoughts and comments!
Hey guys, check out the Changelog for a big update (December 14th), getting rid of some cards that have not been performing well for new cards to test out! I've also fixed all the typos eidolon pointed out, the entire list should be correct now.
Looking forward to comments and general discussion
I agree with Eidolon, I think Spellbreaker Behemoth is much better than Deus of Calamity. The all-hybrid cost eliminates some decks from casting it at all and doesn't work with a lot of artifact mana. Uril, the Miststalker is probably the better of the Naya swap as well.
Fume Spitter --> Unearth: during the 2 months that Fume Spitter was in the cube, it did not see play a single time and was constantly going in the last few picks of each draft. Perhaps the cut in general is a downgrade, but when we do our cube changes, we take draft results and what our playgroup has to say into consideration, and in this case, our playgroup has spoken. Perhaps Unearth will not work out for us either, but the fact was that Fume Spitter needed to be replaced.
Wildfire --> Words of War: Wildfire is, personally, one of my favorite red cards in the cube. Unfortunately, it was being given similar treatment to Fume Spitter. I'm hoping that by removing it, the people in our group will begin to miss it, giving me an opportunity to later add it in again to see more play. I'm sad to see this card go, and believe me I understand the cries of outrage from all of you, but at the moment it's for the best.
Ratchet Bomb --> Karn, Silver Golem: Perhaps it was me being naive by adding Ratchet Bomb in the first place, considering Powder Keg was cut long ago for seeing no play. Obviously (who would have thought?), the group gave Ratchet Bomb the same treatment. I personally am not a fan of either Powder Keg or Ratchet Bomb, and I'm glad to have the chance to try this card out.
Eidolon: From what I understand from your comments, for the most part they are positive, which I'm glad to hear. Some quick hits:
Sunblast was only in because the group felt as if White needed another answer to Planeswalkers.
Incendiary Command is one of my personal pet cards, and fortunately it sees a ton of play so we're glad to keep it in.
The same goes for Word of Seizing, a card that has created some huge blowouts, especially when used on Planeswalkers.
Red Akroma is a card that I don't actually like in the cube, but my cube partner insists on keeping it in and it sees enough play for me to not be able to convince him otherwise.
Flame Slash felt unnecessary and not what Red decks here wanted, which was damage that hit creatures as well as the face.
Stunted Growth has been spectacular since it was added in, the tempo it can generate especially when ramped into by a mana dork or two is just brutal; I'm definitely glad I gave it a shot.
Precursor Golem is a card I've been wanting to try out for a while, because 9 power at 5 mana, however conditional, still deserves to be tested out in my opinion. I look forward to seeing how it does in upcoming cubes.
The fact that Uril was not seeing play was honestly surprising to me, as a 5/5 troll shroud creature with the equipment in the cube seems like it should perform quite nicely. Since the change around 2 weeks ago, I've seen Rith in play more times than I ever saw Uril in play, and I honestly think it's simply because of the flying. Maybe the cut doesn't make sense, but apparently the group approves
With the amount of green ramp in the cube, I'm sure Deus will be seeing play in aggressive Green/Red decks in the near future. and if he doesn't see the play I'm hoping he will, he'll just get the axe for another card in his color combination Too bad I won't get the chance to see someone going turn 3 or 4 deus of calamity, wildfire the next turn! Also, when it comes to mana, Spellbreaker Behemoths 1RGG is not much easier to cast than Deus' HHHHH, and realistically, the both go in the same deck. Deus just comes down a turn later with a much more powerful effect.
I think that covers everything. I know some of these cuts seem weird, because the cards being added are worse than what is being cut, or there are better things to cut, but in the end when a card is not being played, no matter how powerful it is, there is no point in keeping it in the cube. There needs to be some way of deciding what to cut when new cards come out, and for us, we judge based on how much play things see.
Just a little note: These are changes that have been made to the cube progressively over the past 2 weeks or so. Some of them, like stunted growth, have already been played with, while others like deus of calamity, unearth, or precursor golem, have not. I have included everything in one update because I have just now gotten around to it. Many of these additions have not been tested, but I look forward to playing with every single one of them in the upcoming weeks. Keep in mind that with the proper testing (and trust me, they will be tested throughly :P) any of these cuts may be reversed.
Thanks for all the comments everyone, it's really appreciated! When I first posted my cube a while back, the only comment I got was from eidolon. I'm glad to see more response this time around I would also love to hear any suggestions you guys have for cards that could fit into the gold section that we may have overlooked!
If you've never once cast Fume Spitter, how can you decide to cut it?
You're honestly telling me that you'd keep in a card that no one wants to play after two months?
Caryatid has so far been pretty good, it's not as good as Wall of Blossoms but it is quite a beating against red and white aggro decks, especially if you play it turn two with turn one acceleration. We've been happy with it
You're honestly telling me that you'd keep in a card that no one wants to play after two months?
Caryatid has so far been pretty good, it's not as good as Wall of Blossoms but it is quite a beating against red and white aggro decks, especially if you play it turn two with turn one acceleration. We've been happy with it
I'm with wtwlf here, playing a card and having it suck is one thing but never even trying it out isn't a good reason to cut it. I always try and make a point of playing cards nobody else wants to try and have found many cards to be really good despite not looking very good on paper.
Thanks for all the comments everyone, it's really appreciated! When I first posted my cube a while back, the only comment I got was from eidolon. I'm glad to see more response this time around
I've found that I get excellent, blindingly fast advice when I ask specific questions about specific cards, but that it's hard for folks to sort through the hundreds of cards when a cube is first posted...
You're honestly telling me that you'd keep in a card that no one wants to play after two months?
Caryatid has so far been pretty good, it's not as good as Wall of Blossoms but it is quite a beating against red and white aggro decks, especially if you play it turn two with turn one acceleration. We've been happy with it
Yeah, my response to no one playing it would be to draft it and prove that it's awesome!
I used to run Caryatid. I cut it because I wanted to make aggro more viable and in particular to boost up green aggro. Additionally, green may have the best 3cc creatures in the whole game and Caryatid is not one of the top 5 or so of those. I mean, you have to run Troll Ascetic, Ohran Viper, Sex Monkey, Viridian Shaman, Yavimaya Elder, and Great Sable Stag (and maybe Caller of the Claw) before you run the wall. At that point I'm not sure you need another 3-drop unless your cube is pretty big.
Yeah, my response to no one playing it would be to draft it and prove that it's awesome!
I used to run Caryatid. I cut it because I wanted to make aggro more viable and in particular to boost up green aggro. Additionally, green may have the best 3cc creatures in the whole game and Caryatid is not one of the top 5 or so of those. I mean, you have to run Troll Ascetic, Ohran Viper, Sex Monkey, Viridian Shaman, Yavimaya Elder, and Great Sable Stag (and maybe Caller of the Claw) before you run the wall. At that point I'm not sure you need another 3-drop unless your cube is pretty big.
Cheers,
rant
Honestly, I don't like mogg fanatic and I don't like fume spitter. I added him hoping others would like him based on what I read in these forums, but apparently my cube group agrees with me. I don't think he has a big enough impact, and there was not a single time when I thought "man, this deck would be so much better with fume spitter in it!"
My cube partner does not find it necessary to run Sex Monkey or Shaman, and no matter how hard I try, I can't convince him otherwise. Therefore, they stay out. Also, we prefer green to remain a ramp/midrange color, not an aggro one, and caryatid is great for that plan.
Yeah, my response to no one playing it would be to draft it and prove that it's awesome!
I used to run Caryatid. I cut it because I wanted to make aggro more viable and in particular to boost up green aggro. Additionally, green may have the best 3cc creatures in the whole game and Caryatid is not one of the top 5 or so of those. I mean, you have to run Troll Ascetic, Ohran Viper, Sex Monkey, Viridian Shaman, Yavimaya Elder, and Great Sable Stag (and maybe Caller of the Claw) before you run the wall. At that point I'm not sure you need another 3-drop unless your cube is pretty big.
Honestly, I don't like mogg fanatic and I don't like fume spitter. I added him hoping others would like him based on what I read in these forums, but apparently my cube group agrees with me. I don't think he has a big enough impact, and there was not a single time when I thought "man, this deck would be so much better with fume spitter in it!"
My cube partner does not find it necessary to run Sex Monkey or Shaman, and no matter how hard I try, I can't convince him otherwise. Therefore, they stay out. Also, we prefer green to remain a ramp/midrange color, not an aggro one, and caryatid is great for that plan.
Wow. All that sounds pretty crazy. Most black decks get better with Fume Spitter, most red decks get better with Mogg Fanatic and most green decks get better with Viridian Shaman. Can't imagine not cubing with all three of those cards in every cube of every size.
You're honestly telling me that you'd keep in a card that no one wants to play after two months?
Ya. Why did you add it in in the first place? To see if it's good, right? How can you be sure it's not if NOBODY has ever resolved it even a single time?
I would draft it, and beat them with it... show them why it's good. It'll catch on. Fume Spitter (and Mogg Fanatic) are totally awesome.
You're honestly telling me that you'd keep in a card that no one wants to play after two months?
you're honestly telling me you'd cut a great card based on absolutely no experience with it? how can you know anything about the card if no one has played it? if the only important criteria is whether your group wants to put it in a deck, why was it even there in the first place?
fume spitter has been great in all decks here. it's a really cheap, really useful effect. i'd highly recommend you give it a try, and just put it into your black decks to see how it is.
When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
It kills a lot of creatures in the cube, maims all the other ones, screws up combat math to take advantage of combat in all situations... and it's on a stick! He can pick up equipment and chump/maim. Love that little guy.
It kills a lot of creatures in the cube, maims all the other ones, screws up combat math to take advantage of combat in all situations... and it's on a stick! He can pick up equipment and chump/maim. Love that little guy.
All of this, plus messes with Persist creatures. I really like Mogg Fanatic and Bog Fanatic for taking out mana dorks and, you know, Bob.
Green only gets better the more ETB guys you have--it's green's primary form of card advantage. Given the power of artifacts in cube, Uktabi Orangutan and Viridian Shaman are two of the great ETB guys. Cube them; play them; love them!
Cheers,
rant
Edit: On rereading the bit I quoted, I realized how cool it would've been if Wither had been called Maim.
Honestly, I don't like mogg fanatic and I don't like fume spitter. I added him hoping others would like him based on what I read in these forums, but apparently my cube group agrees with me. I don't think he has a big enough impact, and there was not a single time when I thought "man, this deck would be so much better with fume spitter in it!"
I am with you here 100%. I liked Mogg Fanatic (who was obviously insane before the removal of DOTS) much more than I liked Fume Spitter, but that's not saying much. I honestly keep trying all sorts of black 1-drops out and none of them have clicked for me aside from the 2/2s for 1.
Great update, but there are 3 changes that I would revert: Caller of the Claw (4-6 power for 3 mana and wrath protection) --> Praetor's Counsel (costs a million mana and doesn't affect the board) Empyrial Archangel (good reanimation target and helps you stabilize) --> Supply//Demand (1 half of the card is useless and the other overpriced) Loxodon Warhammer (I could see cutting the Hammer at some point) --> Viridian Claw (I would use Manriki-Gusari instead, since it is a bigger p/t boost and has a randomly useful second ability)
I had no say in the addition of Praetor's Counsel, it was a card that the other owner of the cube wanted to put in. We did not like Caller of the Claw around here, only once out of all the drafts we did was it actually useful, and that was the first time it showed up when I walked into it because I did not remember it was in the cube. I have no intentions of keeping Counsel in the cube for the long haul, but I have no problem having some fun with it until the next update (unless, by some insane miracle, it turns out to be good).
As for the Archangel -> Supply//Demand cut, I just simply wanted to cut Archangel because it was always going last and no one wanted it for their reanimator or tooth and nail or ramp decks, and at the time could not think of a better Bant card to replace it. I would be happy to hear suggestions for Bant cards that you guys think would be better than Supply//Demand.
Viridian Claw was another card that the other owner wanted to try out, and we agreed unless it turns out to be extremely good it is basically a place holder for when the next Sword comes out in Action. Our original plan was to replace Warhammer with the 5th Sword, but we decided to try something new in the 3 months we had until the 5th Sword came out.
Rafiq of the Many is the best Bant card. Bant Charm is pretty solid. I like both of them and the archangel better than Supply/Demand.
Praetor's Counsel is likey to be complete junk in this format. I know you can't veto this, but you really should try. I don't know why Caller isn't good for you; it is much loved in my cube.
Cube Size: 630 Cards
Breakdown: 75 Each Color, 75 Artifacts, 95 Multicolor, 85 Lands
Standard or Theme: Standard
Average Draft: 4-6 players, 1-2 times/week
Card Selection:
Powered: Yes
Portal: No
"Un-" Cards: No
Any "Banned" Cards: No
Cube Design:
Standard or Multiplayer: Standard
Snow Cube: No
Sideboards: Yes, but no sideboard specific cards in cube
Proxies: Yes
Functional Reprints: Yes
Perfect Creature/Non-Creature Balance: No
Gold "As Printed" or "As Played": As Played
Perfectly Balanced CMC: No
1 Elite Vanguard
1 Isamaru, Hound of Konda
1 Mother of Runes
1 Savannah Lions
1 Steppe Lynx
1 Student of Warfare
1 Weathered Wayfarer
//2CC
1 Accorder Paladin
1 Grand Abolisher
1 Knight of Meadowgrain
1 Knight of the White Orchid
1 Kor Skyfisher
1 Leonin Relic-Warder
1 Lone Missionary
1 Silver Knight
1 Soltari Monk
1 Soltari Priest
1 Soltari Trooper
1 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Wall of Omens
1 Blade Splicer
1 Flickerwisp
1 Mirran Crusader
1 Mirror Entity
1 Paladin En-Vec
1 Pianna, Nomad Captain
1 Porcelain Legionnaire
1 Soltari Champion
//4CC
1 Calciderm
1 Celestial Crusader
1 Exalted Angel
1 Hero of Bladehold
1 Kor Sanctifiers
1 Ranger of Eos
1 Baneslayer Angel
1 Cloudgoat Ranger
1 Karmic Guide
1 Reveillark
//6CC
1 Sunblast Angel
1 Sun Titan
1 Yosei, the Morning Star
//7CC
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Eternal Dragon
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Land Tax
1 Path to Exile
1 Swords to Plowshares
//2CC
1 Balance
1 Disenchant
1 Honor of the Pure
1 Journey to Nowhere
1 Temporal Isolation
//3CC
1 Glorious Anthem
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Prison Term
1 Spectral Procession
1 Timely Reinforcements
1 Ajani Goldmane
1 Armageddon
1 Day of Judgment
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Faith's Fetters
1 Honden of Cleansing Fire
1 Moat
1 Return to Dust
1 Wrath of God
//5CC
1 Elspeth Tirel
1 Gideon Jura
1 Rout
1 Akroma's Vengeance
1 Austere Command
1 Catastrophe
//XCC
1 Decree of Justice
1 Martial Coup
1 White Sun's Zenith
1 Enclave Cryptologist
//2CC
1 Gilded Drake
1 Looter il-Kor
1 Phantasmal Image
1 Riftwing Cloudskate
1 Spellskite
1 Waterfront Bouncer
//3CC
1 Æther Adept
1 Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
1 Man-O'-War
1 Trinket Mage
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Willbender
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
1 Sower of Temptation
1 Venser, Shaper Savant
//5CC
1 Body Double
1 Meloku the Clouded Mirror
1 Mnemonic Wall
1 Mulldrifter
//6CC
1 Consecrated Sphinx
1 Draining Whelk
1 Frost Titan
1 Keiga, the Tide Star
1 Sphinx of Jwar Isle
1 Palinchron
//9CC
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Force of Will
//1CC
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Ancestral Vision
1 Brainstorm
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Ponder
1 Preordain
//2CC
1 Arcane Denial
1 Counterspell
1 Impulse
1 Mana Drain
1 Mana Leak
1 Memory Lapse
1 Miscalculation
1 Remand
1 Time Walk
1 Capsize
1 Crystal Shard
1 Forbid
1 Frantic Search
1 Jace Beleren
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Timetwister
1 Tinker
1 Vedalken Shackles
//4CC
1 Control Magic
1 Cryptic Command
1 Deep Analysis
1 Dismiss
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Rite of Replication
1 Bribery
1 Desertion
1 Honden of Seeing Winds
1 Jace, Memory Adept
1 Pact of Negation
1 Tezzeret the Seeker
1 Time Warp
1 Treachery
//6CC
1 Confiscate
1 Time Spiral
1 Upheaval
1 Volition Reins
//7CC
1 Take Possession
//XCC
1 Condescend
1 Carnophage
1 Vampire Lacerator
//2CC
1 Black Knight
1 Bloodghast
1 Dark Confidant
1 Dauthi Horror
1 Dauthi Slayer
1 Nantuko Shade
1 Nezumi Graverobber
1 Nezumi Shortfang
1 Oona's Prowler
1 Vampire Hexmage
1 Bane of the Living
1 Bone Shredder
1 Dauthi Marauder
1 Hypnotic Specter
1 Liliana's Specter
1 Vampire Nighthawk
//4CC
1 Braids, Cabal Minion
1 Graveborn Muse
1 Nekrataal
1 Sewer Nemesis
1 Skinrender
1 Ob Nixilis, the Fallen
1 Shriekmaw
//6CC
1 Grave Titan
1 Kokusho, the Evening Star
1 Massacre Wurm
//7CC
1 Sheoldred, Whispering One
//8CC
1 Tombstalker
1 Contagion
1 Snuff Out
//1CC
1 Dark Ritual
1 Duress
1 Entomb
1 Innocent Blood
1 Reanimate
1 Sarcomancy
1 Thoughtseize
1 Vampiric Tutor
//2CC
1 Animate Dead
1 Bitterblossom
1 Chainer's Edict
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Diabolic Edict
1 Doom Blade
1 Exhume
1 Geth's Verdict
1 Go for the Throat
1 Hymn to Tourach
1 Night's Whisper
1 Sign in Blood
1 Smother
1 Ashes to Ashes
1 Corpse Dance
1 Dismember
1 Necromancy
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Praetor's Grasp
1 Recurring Nightmare
1 Slaughter Pact
1 Stupor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
//4CC
1 Consuming Vapors
1 Damnation
1 Honden of Night's Reach
1 Makeshift Mannequin
1 Nether Void
1 Beacon of Unrest
1 Liliana Vess
//6CC
1 Sorin Markov
//XCC
1 Black Sun's Zenith
1 Mind Shatter
1 Mind Twist
1 Profane Command
1 Goblin Guide
1 Goblin Welder
1 Greater Gargadon
1 Grim Lavamancer
1 Jackal Pup
1 Magus of the Scroll
1 Spikeshot Elder
//2CC
1 Blood Knight
1 Ember Hauler
1 Hellspark Elemental
1 Kargan Dragonlord
1 Keldon Marauders
1 Plated Geopede
1 Slith Firewalker
1 Stormblood Berserker
1 Blistering Firecat
1 Chandra's Phoenix
1 Cunning Sparkmage
1 Hell's Thunder
1 Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
1 Manic Vandal
1 Sulfur Elemental
//4CC
1 Avalanche Riders
1 Flametongue Kavu
1 Goblin Ruinblaster
1 Hero of Oxid Ridge
1 Keldon Champion
1 Oxidda Scrapmelter
1 Ravenous Baboons
1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
1 Siege-Gang Commander
1 Urabrask the Hidden
//6CC
1 Crater Hellion
1 Godo, Bandit Warlord
1 Inferno Titan
1 Moltensteel Dragon
//8CC
1 Bogardan Hellkite
1 Fireblast
//1CC
1 Burst Lightning
1 Chain Lightning
1 Firebolt
1 Forked Bolt
1 Lightning Bolt
1 Rift Bolt
//2CC
1 Arc Trail
1 Boom//Bust
1 Incinerate
1 Magma Jet
1 Pyroclasm
1 Searing Blaze
1 Arc Lightning
1 Chaos Warp
1 Char
1 Flame Javelin
1 Honden of Infinite Rage
1 Molten Rain
1 Pillage
1 Rivalry
1 Slagstorm
1 Staggershock
1 Stone Rain
1 Sulfuric Vortex
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Words of War
1 Aftershock
1 Chandra, the Firebrand
1 Koth of the Hammer
//5CC
1 Chandra Nalaar
1 Incendiary Command
1 Word of Seizing
//XCC
1 Banefire
1 Comet Storm
1 Earthquake
1 Red Sun's Zenith
1 Starstorm
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Fyndhorn Elves
1 Joraga Treespeaker
1 Llanowar Elves
1 Noble Hierarch
//2CC
1 Fauna Shaman
1 Lotus Cobra
1 Mire Boa
1 River Boa
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Skinshifter
1 Tarmogoyf
1 Wall of Blossoms
1 Wall of Roots
1 Wild Mongrel
1 Carven Caryatid
1 Eternal Witness
1 Great Sable Stag
1 Hystrodon
1 Krosan Tusker
1 Ohran Viper
1 Troll Ascetic
1 Uktabi Orangutan
1 Viridian Shaman
1 Yavimaya Elder
//4CC
1 Blastoderm
1 Chameleon Colossus
1 Obstinate Baloth
1 Oracle of Mul Daya
1 Phantom Centaur
1 Spike Weaver
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Vengevine
1 Wickerbough Elder
1 Acidic Slime
1 Deranged Hermit
1 Genesis
1 Indrik Stomphowler
1 Thornling
//6CC
1 Brutalizer Exarch
1 Mold Shambler
1 Primeval Titan
1 Rampaging Baloths
//7CC
1 Gaea's Revenge
1 Pelakka Wurm
//8CC
1 Terastodon
1 Woodfall Primus
//XCC
1 Primordial Hydra
1 Berserk
1 Noxious Revival
1 Rancor
1 Search for Tomorrow
1 Vines of Vastwood
1 Worldly Tutor
//2CC
1 Regrowth
1 Survival of the Fittest
1 Sylvan Library
1 Beast Within
1 Call of the Herd
1 Cultivate
1 Harrow
1 Kodama's Reach
1 Krosan Grip
//4CC
1 Birthing Pod
1 Creeping Mold
1 Garruk Wildspeaker
1 Harmonize
1 Garruk, Primal Hunter
1 Honden of Life's Web
1 Plow Under
1 Primal Command
1 Stunted Growth
//7CC
1 Tooth and Nail
//XCC
1 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Spined Thopter
//4CC
1 Lodestone Golem
1 Masticore
1 Molten-Tail Masticore
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Precursor Golem
1 Razormane Masticore
//6CC
1 Duplicant
1 Triskelion
1 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Myr Battlesphere
//8CC
1 Sundering Titan
//XCC
1 Chimeric Mass
1 Basilisk Collar
1 Bonesplitter
1 Skullclamp
//2CC
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Swiftfoot Boots
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Grafted Wargear
1 Sword of Body and Mind
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Sword of War and Peace
1 Bonehoard
//5cc
1 Batterskull
1 Black Lotus
1 Chrome Mox
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Diamond
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mana Vault
1 Sol Ring
//2CC
1 Grim Monolith
1 Mind Stone
1 Azorius Signet
1 Boros Signet
1 Dimir Signet
1 Golgari Signet
1 Gruul Signet
1 Izzet Signet
1 Orzhov Signet
1 Rakdos Signet
1 Selesnya Signet
1 Simic Signet
1 Coalition Relic
//XCC
1 Everflowing Chalice
1 Brittle Effigy
1 Cursed Scroll
1 Oblivion Stone
//4CC
1 Nevinyrral's Disk
1 Smokestack
1 Karn Liberated
//XCC
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Zuran Orb
//1CC
1 Black Vise
1 Pithing Needle
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Ankh of Mishra
1 Scroll Rack
1 Winter Orb
//3CC
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Crystal Ball
1 Mimic Vat
1 Tangle Wire
1 Erratic Portal
//5CC
1 Memory Jar
//6CC
1 Mindslaver
1 Azorius Guildmage
1 Mistmeadow Witch
1 Momentary Blink
1 Absorb
1 Wall of Denial
1 Grand Arbiter Augustin IV
//5CC
1 Venser, the Sojourner
1 Psychatog
1 Recoil
1 Shadowmage Infiltrator
1 Undermine
1 Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
1 Wydwen, the Biting Gale
1 Oona, Queen of the Fae
1 Terminate
//3CC
1 Blightning
1 Fulminator Mage
1 Blazing Specter
1 Murderous Redcap
1 Bituminous Blast
1 Sarkhan the Mad
1 Kird Ape
//3CC
1 Boggart Ram-Gang
1 Fires of Yavimaya
1 Stormbind
1 Bloodbraid Elf
1 Giant Solifuge
1 Sarkhan Vol
1 Loam Lion
//2CC
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Behemoth Sledge
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Loxodon Hierarch
//5CC
1 Mirari's Wake
1 Gerrard's Verdict
1 Tidehollow Sculler
1 Mortify
1 Stillmoon Cavalier
1 Vindicate
1 Angel of Despair
1 Debtors' Knell
1 Fire//Ice
//3CC
1 Electrolyze
1 Gelectrode
1 Izzet Chronarch
1 Prophetic Bolt
1 Spellbound Dragon
1 Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
1 Life//Death
1 Putrid Leech
1 Glissa, the Traitor
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Putrefy
1 Spiritmonger
1 Figure of Destiny
//2CC
1 Lightning Helix
1 Duergar Hedge-Mage
1 Goblin Trenches
1 Ajani Vengeant
1 Soltari Guerrillas
1 Balefire Liege
1 Coiling Oracle
//3CC
1 Cold-Eyed Selkie
1 Edric, Spymaster of Trest
1 Trygon Predator
1 Voidslime
1 Mystic Snake
//7CC
1 Simic Sky Swallower
1 Dromar's Charm
1 Esper Charm
1 Enigma Sphinx
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
1 Slave of Bolas
1 Cruel Ultimatum
1 Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker
1 Darigaaz's Charm
1 Madrush Cyclops
1 Broodmate Dragon
1 Lavalanche
1 Wild Nacatl
1 Naya Charm
1 Thornscape Battlemage
1 Woolly Thoctar
1 Bant Charm
1 Rhox War Monk
1 Rafiq of the Many
1 Finest Hour
1 Doran, the Siege Tower
1 Lightning Angel
1 Maelstrom Nexus
1 The Mimeoplasm
1 Crime//Punishment
1 Badlands
1 Bayou
1 Plateau
1 Savannah
1 Scrubland
1 Taiga
1 Tropical Island
1 Tundra
1 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
//Shock Lands
1 Blood Crypt
1 Breeding Pool
1 Godless Shrine
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Steam Vents
1 Stomping Ground
1 Temple Garden
1 Watery Grave
1 Arid Mesa
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Flooded Strand
1 Marsh Flats
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Polluted Delta
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Foothills
//Karoos
1 Azorius Chancery
1 Boros Garrison
1 Dimir Aqueduct
1 Golgari Rot Farm
1 Gruul Turf
1 Izzet Boilerworks
1 Orzhov Basilica
1 Rakdos Carnarium
1 Selesnya Sanctuary
1 Simic Growth Chamber
1 Arcane Sanctum
1 Crumbling Necropolis
1 Jungle Shrine
1 Savage Lands
1 Seaside Citadel
//Vivids
1 Vivid Crag
1 Vivid Creek
1 Vivid Grove
1 Vivid Marsh
1 Vivid Meadow
//5 Color
1 City of Brass
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Gemstone Mine
1 Grand Coliseum
1 Reflecting Pool
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Thawing Glaciers
1 Faerie Conclave
1 Ghitu Encampment
1 Mishra's Factory
1 Mutavault
1 Treetop Village
1 Celestial Colonnade
1 Creeping Tar Pit
1 Lavaclaw Reaches
1 Raging Ravine
1 Stirring Wildwood
1 Academy Ruins
1 Ancient Tomb
1 Barbarian Ring
1 Cephalid Coliseum
1 Halimar Depths
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Kor Haven
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Maze of Ith
1 Miren, the Moaning Well
1 Mystifying Maze
1 Rishadan Port
1 Shelldock Isle
1 Strip Mine
1 Tectonic Edge
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Wasteland
Planar Cleansing --> Elspeth Tirel
//Blue
Careful Consideration --> Frantic Search
Conundrum Sphinx --> Trinket Mage
Mind Control --> Confiscate
Persuasion --> Volition Reins
//Black
Barter in Blood --> Ashes to Ashes
Decree of Pain --> Duress
Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief --> Fume Spitter
Sudden Spoiling --> Skinrender
//Red
Chandra Ablaze --> Koth of the Hammer
Arc Slogger --> Spikeshot Elder
Molten Disaster --> Oxidda Scrapmelter
//Green
Ravenous Baloth --> Bellowing Tanglewurm
//Artifacts
Phyrexian Processor --> Mimic Vat
Grim Poppet --> Myr Battlesphere
Darksteel Colossus --> Wurmcoil Engine
Stuffy Doll --> Molten-Tail Masticore
Platinum Angel --> Chimeric Mass
Tormod's Crypt --> Nim Deathmantle
Obelisk of Alara --> Sword of Body and Mind
Etched Oracle --> Ratchet Bomb
//Multicolored
Windreaver --> Venser, the Sojourner
Firemane Angel --> Goblin Trenches
Saltblast --> Pianna, Nomad Captain
//Blue
Ethersworn Adjudicator --> Gilded Drake
Sphinx of Lost Truths --> Misdirection
Opportunity --> Memory Lapse
//Black
Fume Spitter --> Unearth
Undead Gladiator --> Corpse Dance
Terror --> Nether Void
//Red
Puncture Blast --> Arc Lightning
Volcanic Fallout --> Arc Trail
Wildfire --> Words of War
Flame Slash --> Goblin Welder
Kumano, Master Yamabushi --> Hell's Thunder
Destructive Force --> Hellspark Elemental
Dragonmaster Outcast --> Jackal Pup
Magus of the Moon --> Ravenous Baboons
//Green
Bellowing Tanglewurm --> Krosan Tusker
Kamahl, Fist of Krosa --> Carven Caryatid
Iwamori of the Open Fist --> Caller of the Claw
Desert Twister --> Stunted Growth
//Artifacts
Ratchet Bomb --> Karn, Silver Golem
Staff of Domination --> Precursor Golem
//Multicolored
Dimir Guildmage --> Recoil
Ghastlord of Fugue --> Wydwen, the Biting Gale
Wrecking Ball --> Sarkhan the Mad
Spellbreaker Behemoth --> Deus of Calamity
Call the Skybreaker --> Spellbound Dragon
Dominus of Fealty --> Suffocating Blast
Uril, the Miststalker --> Rith, the Awakener
Maelstrom Archangel --> Maelstrom Nexus
//Lands
Crystal Quarry --> Grand Coliseum
Windbrisk Heights --> Ghitu Encampment
Loam Lion --> Mirran Crusader
White Knight --> Accorder Paladin
Sacred Mesa --> Hero of Bladehold
Momentary Blink --> Disenchant
Iona, Shield of Emeria --> White Sun's Zenith
//Blue
Aeon Chronicler --> Consecrated Sphinx
Misdirection --> Tezzeret, the Seeker
//Black
Kagemaro, First to Suffer --> Massacre Wurm
Unearth --> Go For the Throat
Desolation Angel --> Black Sun's Zenith
//Red
Hearth Kami --> Goblin Wardriver
Dwarven Blastminer --> Hero of Oxid Ridge
Demonfire --> Red Sun's Zenith
Akroma, Angel of Fury --> Godo, Bandit Warlord
Kird Ape --> Slagstorm
//Green
Caller of the Claw --> Green Sun's Zenith
Master of the Wild Hunt --> Thrun, the Last Troll
Wild Nacatl --> Praetor's Counsel
Arashi, the Sky Asunder --> Hurricane
//Artifacts
Karn, Silver Golem --> Phyrexian Revoker
Triskelavus --> Signal Pest
Loxodon Warhammer --> Viridian Claw
Sword of Vengeance --> Sword of Feast and Famine
Nim Deathmantle --> Bonehoard
//Multicolored
Rasputin Dreamweaver --> Wall of Denial
Iridescent Angel --> Momentary Blink
Agony Warp --> Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
Deus of Calamity --> Kird Ape
Behemoth Sledge --> Loam Lion
Nath of the Gilt-Leaf --> Glissa, the Traitor
Crosis's Charm --> Thraximundar
Sprouting Thrinax --> Madrush Cyclops
Rith, the Awakener --> Thornscape Battlemage
Realm Razer --> Wild Nacatl
Empyrial Archangel --> Supply//Demand
Pristine Angel --> Leonin Relic-Warder
//Blue
Jace's Ingenuity --> Ancestral Recall
Evacuation --> Time Walk
Compulsive Research --> Timetwister
//Green
Praetor's Counsel --> Creeping Mold
Scute Mob --> Uktabi Orangutan
Albino Troll --> Viridian Shaman
//Artifacts
Signal Pest --> Black Lotus
Isochron Scepter --> Zuran Orb
+ Mox Emerald
+ Mox Jet
+ Mox Pearl
+ Mox Ruby
+ Mox Sapphire
//Multicolored
Glare of Subdual --> Behemoth Sledge
Supply//Demand --> Finest Hour
- Teferi's Moat
- Nemesis of Reason
- Void
- Burning-Tree Shaman
- Mystic Enforcer
- Identity Crisis
- Suffocating Blast
- Creakwood Liege
- Brion Stoutarm
- Spitting Image
//Lands
+ Evolving Wilds
+ Horizon Canopy
+ Tectonic Edge
+ Terramorphic Expanse
+ Tolarian Academy
+ Blade Splicer
+ Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
+ Flicker Wisp
+ Porcelain Legionnaire
//Blue
+ Crystal Shard
+ Phyrexian Metamorph
+ Spellskite
+ Vedalken Shackles
//Black
Sudden Death --> Dismember
Skeletal Vampire --> Sheoldred, Whispering One
+ Blind Zealot
+ Braids, Cabal Minion
+ Geth's Verdict
+ Praetor's Grasp
//Red
+ Moltensteel Dragon
+ Rivalry
+ Urabrask the Hidden
+ Whipflare
//Green
+ Beast Within
+ Brutalizer Exarch
+ Noxious Revival
+ Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger
//Artifacts
Crystal Shard --> Ankh of Mishra
Vedalken Shackles --> Black Vise
Thran Dynamo --> Smokestack
Viridan Claw --> Sword of War and Peace
+ Batterskull
+ Hex Parasite
+ Spined Thopter
+ Tezzeret's Gambit
+ Winter Orb
//Multicolored
Goblin Legionnaire --> Soltari Guerrillas
All Is Dust --> Karn Liberated
//Lands
+ Vivid Crag
+ Vivid Creek
+ Vivid Grove
+ Vivid Marsh
+ Vivid Meadow
Eight-and-a-Half-Tails --> Grand Abolisher
Akroma, Angel of Wrath --> Sunblast Angel
Parallax Wave --> Lone Missionary
Cataclysm --> Timely Reinforcements
//Blue
Gush --> Phantasmal Image
Future Sight --> Jace, Memory Adept
//Black
Blind Zealot --> Sewer Nemesis
//Red
Squee, Goblin Nabob --> Chandra's Phoenix
Sudden Shock --> Chandra, the Firebrand
Goblin Wardriver --> Stormblood Berserker
Whipflare --> Chaos Warp
//Green
Hurricane --> Primordial Hydra
Stonewood Invocation --> Scavenging Ooze
Kodama of the North Tree --> Garruk, Primal Hunter
Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger --> Birthing Pod
Farseek --> Skinshifter
//Artifacts
Hex Parasite --> Swiftfoot Boots
Tezzeret's Gambit --> Karn Liberated
//Multicolored
Snakeform --> Edric, Spymaster of Trest
Thraximundar --> Rise//Fall
Karn Liberated --> The Mimeoplasm
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Hello Cubers,
The latest update adds both Commander and M12 changes, along with a few other changes here and there. The cube is also now completely resleeved, and I hope to be able to get up pictures of the new sexiness fairly soon. Until then, I hope you enjoy the latest update, and as always, I look forward to hearing your thoughts and comments!
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EDIT: Realized I left one change off the list, fixed!
Spellbreaker Behemoth --> Deus of Calamity
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Is this supposed to be flipped, or did you cut Fume Spitter?
Same here... did you cut Wildfire?
While I still play both of these, Karn is closer to getting cut than Ratchet Bomb is.
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Fume Spitter --> Unearth: during the 2 months that Fume Spitter was in the cube, it did not see play a single time and was constantly going in the last few picks of each draft. Perhaps the cut in general is a downgrade, but when we do our cube changes, we take draft results and what our playgroup has to say into consideration, and in this case, our playgroup has spoken. Perhaps Unearth will not work out for us either, but the fact was that Fume Spitter needed to be replaced.
Wildfire --> Words of War: Wildfire is, personally, one of my favorite red cards in the cube. Unfortunately, it was being given similar treatment to Fume Spitter. I'm hoping that by removing it, the people in our group will begin to miss it, giving me an opportunity to later add it in again to see more play. I'm sad to see this card go, and believe me I understand the cries of outrage from all of you, but at the moment it's for the best.
Ratchet Bomb --> Karn, Silver Golem: Perhaps it was me being naive by adding Ratchet Bomb in the first place, considering Powder Keg was cut long ago for seeing no play. Obviously (who would have thought?), the group gave Ratchet Bomb the same treatment. I personally am not a fan of either Powder Keg or Ratchet Bomb, and I'm glad to have the chance to try this card out.
Eidolon: From what I understand from your comments, for the most part they are positive, which I'm glad to hear. Some quick hits:
Sunblast was only in because the group felt as if White needed another answer to Planeswalkers.
Incendiary Command is one of my personal pet cards, and fortunately it sees a ton of play so we're glad to keep it in.
The same goes for Word of Seizing, a card that has created some huge blowouts, especially when used on Planeswalkers.
Red Akroma is a card that I don't actually like in the cube, but my cube partner insists on keeping it in and it sees enough play for me to not be able to convince him otherwise.
Flame Slash felt unnecessary and not what Red decks here wanted, which was damage that hit creatures as well as the face.
Stunted Growth has been spectacular since it was added in, the tempo it can generate especially when ramped into by a mana dork or two is just brutal; I'm definitely glad I gave it a shot.
Precursor Golem is a card I've been wanting to try out for a while, because 9 power at 5 mana, however conditional, still deserves to be tested out in my opinion. I look forward to seeing how it does in upcoming cubes.
The fact that Uril was not seeing play was honestly surprising to me, as a 5/5 troll shroud creature with the equipment in the cube seems like it should perform quite nicely. Since the change around 2 weeks ago, I've seen Rith in play more times than I ever saw Uril in play, and I honestly think it's simply because of the flying. Maybe the cut doesn't make sense, but apparently the group approves
With the amount of green ramp in the cube, I'm sure Deus will be seeing play in aggressive Green/Red decks in the near future. and if he doesn't see the play I'm hoping he will, he'll just get the axe for another card in his color combination
I think that covers everything. I know some of these cuts seem weird, because the cards being added are worse than what is being cut, or there are better things to cut, but in the end when a card is not being played, no matter how powerful it is, there is no point in keeping it in the cube. There needs to be some way of deciding what to cut when new cards come out, and for us, we judge based on how much play things see.
Just a little note: These are changes that have been made to the cube progressively over the past 2 weeks or so. Some of them, like stunted growth, have already been played with, while others like deus of calamity, unearth, or precursor golem, have not. I have included everything in one update because I have just now gotten around to it. Many of these additions have not been tested, but I look forward to playing with every single one of them in the upcoming weeks. Keep in mind that with the proper testing (and trust me, they will be tested throughly :P) any of these cuts may be reversed.
Thanks for all the comments everyone, it's really appreciated! When I first posted my cube a while back, the only comment I got was from eidolon. I'm glad to see more response this time around
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You're honestly telling me that you'd keep in a card that no one wants to play after two months?
Caryatid has so far been pretty good, it's not as good as Wall of Blossoms but it is quite a beating against red and white aggro decks, especially if you play it turn two with turn one acceleration. We've been happy with it
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I'm with wtwlf here, playing a card and having it suck is one thing but never even trying it out isn't a good reason to cut it. I always try and make a point of playing cards nobody else wants to try and have found many cards to be really good despite not looking very good on paper.
I've found that I get excellent, blindingly fast advice when I ask specific questions about specific cards, but that it's hard for folks to sort through the hundreds of cards when a cube is first posted...
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I used to run Caryatid. I cut it because I wanted to make aggro more viable and in particular to boost up green aggro. Additionally, green may have the best 3cc creatures in the whole game and Caryatid is not one of the top 5 or so of those. I mean, you have to run Troll Ascetic, Ohran Viper, Sex Monkey, Viridian Shaman, Yavimaya Elder, and Great Sable Stag (and maybe Caller of the Claw) before you run the wall. At that point I'm not sure you need another 3-drop unless your cube is pretty big.
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Honestly, I don't like mogg fanatic and I don't like fume spitter. I added him hoping others would like him based on what I read in these forums, but apparently my cube group agrees with me. I don't think he has a big enough impact, and there was not a single time when I thought "man, this deck would be so much better with fume spitter in it!"
My cube partner does not find it necessary to run Sex Monkey or Shaman, and no matter how hard I try, I can't convince him otherwise. Therefore, they stay out. Also, we prefer green to remain a ramp/midrange color, not an aggro one, and caryatid is great for that plan.
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And maybe even Cradle Guard.
Green just has awesome 3-drops.
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Wow. All that sounds pretty crazy. Most black decks get better with Fume Spitter, most red decks get better with Mogg Fanatic and most green decks get better with Viridian Shaman. Can't imagine not cubing with all three of those cards in every cube of every size.
Ya. Why did you add it in in the first place? To see if it's good, right? How can you be sure it's not if NOBODY has ever resolved it even a single time?
I would draft it, and beat them with it... show them why it's good. It'll catch on. Fume Spitter (and Mogg Fanatic) are totally awesome.
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you're honestly telling me you'd cut a great card based on absolutely no experience with it? how can you know anything about the card if no one has played it? if the only important criteria is whether your group wants to put it in a deck, why was it even there in the first place?
fume spitter has been great in all decks here. it's a really cheap, really useful effect. i'd highly recommend you give it a try, and just put it into your black decks to see how it is.
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All of this, plus messes with Persist creatures. I really like Mogg Fanatic and Bog Fanatic for taking out mana dorks and, you know, Bob.
Green only gets better the more ETB guys you have--it's green's primary form of card advantage. Given the power of artifacts in cube, Uktabi Orangutan and Viridian Shaman are two of the great ETB guys. Cube them; play them; love them!
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I am with you here 100%. I liked Mogg Fanatic (who was obviously insane before the removal of DOTS) much more than I liked Fume Spitter, but that's not saying much. I honestly keep trying all sorts of black 1-drops out and none of them have clicked for me aside from the 2/2s for 1.
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I had no say in the addition of Praetor's Counsel, it was a card that the other owner of the cube wanted to put in. We did not like Caller of the Claw around here, only once out of all the drafts we did was it actually useful, and that was the first time it showed up when I walked into it because I did not remember it was in the cube. I have no intentions of keeping Counsel in the cube for the long haul, but I have no problem having some fun with it until the next update (unless, by some insane miracle, it turns out to be good).
As for the Archangel -> Supply//Demand cut, I just simply wanted to cut Archangel because it was always going last and no one wanted it for their reanimator or tooth and nail or ramp decks, and at the time could not think of a better Bant card to replace it. I would be happy to hear suggestions for Bant cards that you guys think would be better than Supply//Demand.
Viridian Claw was another card that the other owner wanted to try out, and we agreed unless it turns out to be extremely good it is basically a place holder for when the next Sword comes out in Action. Our original plan was to replace Warhammer with the 5th Sword, but we decided to try something new in the 3 months we had until the 5th Sword came out.
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Praetor's Counsel is likey to be complete junk in this format. I know you can't veto this, but you really should try. I don't know why Caller isn't good for you; it is much loved in my cube.
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