Yea, I'll probably keep it out for now. I just like having artifacts in there. Although speaking of artifacts, Vedalken Shackles is really bothering me. Having a reusable 2-for-1 that only costs 2 mana is extremely overpowered and shuts down most decks. I'm really strongly considering taking it out of the cube. I risk being very unpopular with my friends, but I really think Shackles is at the power level of Jitte in that a player can win with it despite playing poorly.
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@Nick -- Kiki-Jiki is back in. I had fun abusing him with Wei Assassins.
@Kenny -- Sylvan Library and Catastrophe are back in. It helped a green deck beat me. Glad it's back. Haven't seen Catastrophe yet.
@Azbander -- Rout is in. It got me out of an unwinnable opposition lock. Amazing.
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Pristine Angel has been great in our cube. Wx control has done alot with her. I would put her at the very top of my creature picks. Often Her only stopper is Maze of Ith in our cube. I would suggest to anyone not runing her, to try her out.
I'm a fan of these 6 drops for white, I just don't want to have too many. Between Adarkar Valkyrie, Pristine Angel, Crovax, Exalted Angel, and Shepherd, which are the best? I'm actually considering cutting Crovax.
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I'm a fan of these 6 drops for white, I just don't want to have too many. Between Adarkar Valkyrie, Pristine Angel, Crovax, Exalted Angel, and Shepherd, which are the best? I'm actually considering cutting Crovax.
The one that isn't listed, Yosei, the Morning Star is actually the best IMO, but Exalted and Pristine are pretty close. Crovax, Valkyrie, and Shepherd are all good, but not as good as the first three.
The one that isn't listed, Yosei, the Morning Star is actually the best IMO, but Exalted and Pristine are pretty close. Crovax, Valkyrie, and Shepherd are all good, but not as good as the first three.
Completely agree with Darkmind here. Yosei is incredible (and just sick, sick, sick if you can reanimate or copy him). I don't count Exalted as a 6-drop; it can and most often is a 3-drop.
I'd remove the Shepherd from that bunch. Yosei, Valkyrie and Exalted Angel are all in my cube too. Not entirely convinced of Crovax. I drafted a nice monowhite beatdown deck, so there's no reason not to run Crovax, and I still did cut him from the deck ..
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Yea I actually have Yosei in the cube already... just forgot about him. And yea Exalted is more a 3-drop. I'm definitely thinking of cutting Crovax, as good as he is, his place in the cube is not very exciting. I'm thinking Pristine Angel makes the cube (possibly swapping out Iridescent Angel).
Which is better between Adarkar Valkyrie and Twilight Shepherd?
Also, another card I want to add in is Puppeteer Clique. How has that been for everyone?
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I'd say that from all, Adarkar Valkyrie is the weakest in my cube. Twilight Shepherd is great because it doesn't die to removals and can do some nice tricks occasionally, but it depends whether you have at least two main white decks each draft. Valkyrie just doesn't survive to use her ability.
Puppeteer Clique is great. Black can discard and kill most creatures by this point for her to take.
@metamind -- I agree about Valkyrie, so I probably won't add it. I'm wondering, is the Twilight Shepherd too strong for aggressive decks to beat?
She's a late game bomb. An aggressive deck should be well on its way to winning by the time she comes down. If not, hopefully they have Swords to Plowshares for her, burn to finish off the opponent, or a huge bomb of their own in reserve. However, I'd really expect that a 3WWW cost creature really should beat the pants off of aggro. That's why you have it.
Yea, I feel like this card is an absolute bomb and might have some multiplayer value as well. I might give it a shot because it certainly has "trickiness" value. I'd think this card adds more value than Crovax. I'll certainly add it to the list of possible inclusions.
Regarding Who/What/When/Where/Why, I'm wondering if it is silly to add a card just because it can make any deck. Each color's effects seem pretty underwhelming actually.
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Yea... Crystal Shard and Erratic Portal are quickly becoming two of my favorites. I actually cut Lightning Greaves from the cube as it was pretty underwhelming most of the time. A control deck would never run it, and an aggro deck would rather have a guy. It was really only good in multiplayer.
Is Spitting Image worthy of inclusion or is it underwhelming?
What about Wilt-Leaf Liege? I did take out Watchwolf because he never saw play. In fact, green/white is never really an archetype in my cube unfortunately. I recently added Glare of Subdual but it has not yet seen play.
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Is Spitting Image worthy of inclusion or is it underwhelming?
What about Wilt-Leaf Liege? I did take out Watchwolf because he never saw play. In fact, green/white is never really an archetype in my cube unfortunately. I recently added Glare of Subdual but it has not yet seen play.
My cube is larger, so I'm more forgiving of cards. That being said, Spitting Image has been pretty solid for us so far. Nice.Kokusho. Pretty much all the retrace cards that make dudes have been good for us around here (Savage Conception, Cenn's Enlistment, and especially Call the Skybreaker).
Wilt-Leaf Liege is very good in that he isn't necessarily a Gold card, and can be easily played in a WW deck as a 4/4 anthem body. Just a solid beater that has been good times for us.
Is Spitting Image worthy of inclusion or is it underwhelming?
What about Wilt-Leaf Liege? I did take out Watchwolf because he never saw play. In fact, green/white is never really an archetype in my cube unfortunately. I recently added Glare of Subdual but it has not yet seen play.
I think Spitting Image has been pretty good. Usually there is a juicy target in play that is ether a fattie or has a nice comes into play ability. Also has been very good in 2hg and other non-dual formats.
The Liege has been solid but not amazing. I agree that G/W decks are not that common but it can be played in decks of ether color if the commitment is strong. I like it as it pumps WW decks and green token decks.
Edit: by the way this is Tim from MD. Didn't put two and two together to see who you were until I saw your post on Kenny's thread. Yeah that t8 was weird, game three of the finals was one of the most awkward games of Magic I've seen. Loam drew three Grudges and dredged the fourth but couldn't find red mana. Burn drew 3x Ensnaring Bridge so Conrad was Crimeing himself to discard Grudges to kill them. Then he topdecked Baloth turn before burn would have killed him. Did I mention burn drew a million lands and loam drew 3x Thoughtseize?
Hey Tim! Congrats on your first Top 8! That's definitely a very weird finals. I had a monster day throughout the swiss of course, but then I mulliganed to 4 against Kolos in the top 8 in game 3. To be fair, I probably shouldn't have played around Choke in game 2 and just won the match. That's what I get for not testing that matchup. I'm currently debating what I want to do with the box of Shards. I'm thinking I'll sell it on eBay since there are so few expensive rares.
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I made two cuts yesterday from the cube. Shadow Guildmage and Doran, the Siege Tower. Neither of these cards really saw much play. I'm not a fan of cards that are 3 colors in the cube because they almost always end up not seeing play. Here's the link:
i had shadow guildmage in mine but it seems too weak. and you have to be in red/blue to add value. it is also a pretty crappy topdeck late game.
tri-color stuff (speaking of doran) doesnt get much play or use in my cube. even when i see it, i rather just pass and pickup a card in one of the colors than try to splash to make it worthwhile.
the split cards prolly are most useful in the tri-color spots (crime//punishment, supply//demand, hit//run, etc)
I agree with you about split cards being the most useful as Tri-Color cards. I actually do not subscribe to the idea of "slots" in my cube. My ultimate goal is to keep the cube as small, fair, and powerful as possible. When cards don't see play, I cut them. If they're too powerful (Vedalken Shackles, Skullclamp), I cut them.
It just so happens that my cube has very similar numbers in each color. I believe black has the highest number of cards, and red has the least. However, I think there are only like 8 more black cards than red cards.
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I made some changes to the cube based on some cards I found. Also black had significantly more cards than any other color so all 4 of my cuts were black cards:
Well the two blue cards are great additions. Wake Trasher just threatens so much damage so quickly. Any reason Upheaval was not in the cube sooner? That card is stupid-powerful.
The new red cards are less exciting I've tried both and they just never seemed to be worth it.
Re: Upheaval -- I took it out originally because it wasn't seeing much play. I've noticed a lot of people talking about how good it is, so I decided to give it another try.
Re: Wake Thrasher - It has gotten a lot of positive reviews as well, although I don't know if the Blue decks need this type of creature. I guess I'll find out.
Re: Sulfur Elemental - I just wanted another aggressive guy for red. If he sucks, I'll have no problem cutting him.
Re: Genju of the Spires - I needed another aggressive card for red here as well. I had originally taken this out.
Here are the numbers in my cube, with the new changes... looks like I could use some more green cards.
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@Nick -- Kiki-Jiki is back in. I had fun abusing him with Wei Assassins.
@Kenny -- Sylvan Library and Catastrophe are back in. It helped a green deck beat me. Glad it's back. Haven't seen Catastrophe yet.
@Azbander -- Rout is in. It got me out of an unwinnable opposition lock. Amazing.
Cards on the radar currently being considered:
-- Mirari's Wake
-- Cloudgoat Ranger
-- Who/What/Where/When/Why
-- Aftershock
-- Ring of Gix
-- Pristine Angel
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The one that isn't listed, Yosei, the Morning Star is actually the best IMO, but Exalted and Pristine are pretty close. Crovax, Valkyrie, and Shepherd are all good, but not as good as the first three.
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Completely agree with Darkmind here. Yosei is incredible (and just sick, sick, sick if you can reanimate or copy him). I don't count Exalted as a 6-drop; it can and most often is a 3-drop.
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Puppeteer Clique is great. Black can discard and kill most creatures by this point for her to take.
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She's a late game bomb. An aggressive deck should be well on its way to winning by the time she comes down. If not, hopefully they have Swords to Plowshares for her, burn to finish off the opponent, or a huge bomb of their own in reserve. However, I'd really expect that a 3WWW cost creature really should beat the pants off of aggro. That's why you have it.
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Regarding Who/What/When/Where/Why, I'm wondering if it is silly to add a card just because it can make any deck. Each color's effects seem pretty underwhelming actually.
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I'm thinking I'll give the Twilight Shepherd a try.
Also, for the record, if anyone has not tried Flickerwisp in the cube yet, it's absolutely spectacular. I'm always happy to see it on my side.
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What about Wilt-Leaf Liege? I did take out Watchwolf because he never saw play. In fact, green/white is never really an archetype in my cube unfortunately. I recently added Glare of Subdual but it has not yet seen play.
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My cube is larger, so I'm more forgiving of cards. That being said, Spitting Image has been pretty solid for us so far. Nice.Kokusho. Pretty much all the retrace cards that make dudes have been good for us around here (Savage Conception, Cenn's Enlistment, and especially Call the Skybreaker).
Wilt-Leaf Liege is very good in that he isn't necessarily a Gold card, and can be easily played in a WW deck as a 4/4 anthem body. Just a solid beater that has been good times for us.
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I think Spitting Image has been pretty good. Usually there is a juicy target in play that is ether a fattie or has a nice comes into play ability. Also has been very good in 2hg and other non-dual formats.
The Liege has been solid but not amazing. I agree that G/W decks are not that common but it can be played in decks of ether color if the commitment is strong. I like it as it pumps WW decks and green token decks.
Edit: by the way this is Tim from MD. Didn't put two and two together to see who you were until I saw your post on Kenny's thread. Yeah that t8 was weird, game three of the finals was one of the most awkward games of Magic I've seen. Loam drew three Grudges and dredged the fourth but couldn't find red mana. Burn drew 3x Ensnaring Bridge so Conrad was Crimeing himself to discard Grudges to kill them. Then he topdecked Baloth turn before burn would have killed him. Did I mention burn drew a million lands and loam drew 3x Thoughtseize?
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tri-color stuff (speaking of doran) doesnt get much play or use in my cube. even when i see it, i rather just pass and pickup a card in one of the colors than try to splash to make it worthwhile.
the split cards prolly are most useful in the tri-color spots (crime//punishment, supply//demand, hit//run, etc)
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It just so happens that my cube has very similar numbers in each color. I believe black has the highest number of cards, and red has the least. However, I think there are only like 8 more black cards than red cards.
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The new red cards are less exciting I've tried both and they just never seemed to be worth it.
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Re: Upheaval -- I took it out originally because it wasn't seeing much play. I've noticed a lot of people talking about how good it is, so I decided to give it another try.
Re: Wake Thrasher - It has gotten a lot of positive reviews as well, although I don't know if the Blue decks need this type of creature. I guess I'll find out.
Re: Sulfur Elemental - I just wanted another aggressive guy for red. If he sucks, I'll have no problem cutting him.
Re: Genju of the Spires - I needed another aggressive card for red here as well. I had originally taken this out.
Here are the numbers in my cube, with the new changes... looks like I could use some more green cards.
White: 75
Blue: 67
Black: 74
Red: 67
Green: 63
Hybrid: 45
Artifact: 51
Land: 55
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Sorry everyone, Land Tax bit the bullet.
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