It's that time! This thread is to list spoiled cards from M20 that you are either including for sure or you are testing/watching. This is also a thread for posting early testing results. Please include the size of your cube, if it is powered/unpowered, and any other considerations that might impact your choices (e.g. you run multiple fetches, commander cube, etc.). As always you can post your list and update as the spoiler is completed or just post when it is done.
Cloudkin Seer is absolutely good enough, but I'm not sure I care enough to add it. Vampire of the Dire Moon will go in over Typhoid Rats at some point unless they print another strictly better deathtoucher I like better.
The only card I'm mildly excited to try is Elvish Reclaimer. Since the pickings are so slim, this set will mostly pass me by.
Cloudkin Seer is absolutely good enough, but I'm not sure I care enough to add it. Vampire of the Dire Moon will go in over Typhoid Rats at some point unless they print another strictly better deathtoucher I like better.
The only card I'm mildly excited to try is Elvish Reclaimer. Since the pickings are so slim, this set will mostly pass me by.
Only card I’m remotely interested in is elvish reclaimer too.
Also sorin is on my, could be a good cube card one day. I honestly think he’s bonkers if we get some good vampires, but the chances of that happening aren’t super high.
At 465, the only cards I'm adding are Kykar, Wind's Fury and Rotting Regisaur. The Regisaur is dicey, but Kykar replaces the lackluster Soulfire Grand Master.
I'm watching Voracious Hydra and Cavalier of Gales.
Probably playing Regisaur and thinking of trying the Hydra. Nothing else looks super great to me, which is fine.
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Gonna be pretty honest, I am likely not going to include anything from this set. My testing list is pretty small. But after Mordern Horizons, I am okay with that.
I am literally happy that the only possible include is Voracious hydra. Still need to get MH1 cards.
For artifact cube I like the includes:
Manifold Key upgrading Voltaic Key
Salvager of Ruin (testing - but very unlikely as I already have Myr Retriever and Junk diver)
Colored equipment in white and green:
Wolfrider’s Saddle
Ancestral Blade
The big update really is the full art tokens, I will surely get Soldier, Spirit, Elemental, Zombie, Wolf,
Golem, and Treasure.
My cube is a little more synergy focused/lower power than the average Salvation cube, so while there are only a few cards I'm interested in, they'll be coming with some additional support.
Definites: Voracious Hydra
Flexible hybrid beater/removal option that I imagine any green deck would be happy to pick up if they see it. Even better with a Rofellos or Nissa. Being comprised of counters is a plus as I have light proliferate support. Replacing Polukranos.
Nightpack Ambusher
I really like what this provides for Simic/Temur/Sultai decks as an instant speed blocker that supports and rewards draw go permission styles by accumulating a board presence if protected. A 4/4 body is a formidable thing to be throwing around during the combat step, and if you can hold up countermagic/removal for your opponents threat while also gaining a 3/3 for your trouble, you're in a good spot. Replacing Goreclaw.
Rotting Regisaur
I was already running two Gravecrawlers, and cheating Spawn of Mayhem as a 3drop. I feel much better switching Spawn out for this, giving black a bit more cohesion. With it as a discard outlet, I'm also looking to replace either Oona's Prowler or Heir of Falkenrath with Asylum Visitor to support the Much More Likely to be Hellbent RB decks sporting Hazoret. Interested to hear opinions on this swap.
Iffy Tests: Corpse Knight
Almost certainly worse than Tidehollow Sculler, but plays well with black's recursive creatures and the Gravecrawlers specifically. Doesnt require warping around aristocratic payoffs to be effective, and the tribal typing is perfect for my BW section considering Curse of Shallow Graves and History of Benalia fit this dudes game plan. Gonna give him a spin, even if I expect Tidehollow to be back in it's spot eventually.
Skyknight Vanguard
I've wanted my boros section to have a 2drop for a while. Red and white 3s and 4s are stacked. This might not be enough, but the fact that he is an Emmara that flies is peaking my interest. I recently cut Tajic for a placeholder Assemble the Legion, gonna try this guy for a bit and see if I'm not crazy. Not expecting a ton here tho.
Out of the green cards, I will need to put in some testing to decide which combination of the 4 to run. I have always felt Green 4's are bad and thus had 1 more Green 5 drop. Both Master of the Wild Hunt either Die to removal or win the game so the change might be a good thing, however, the new hydra and ambusher have a much lower ceiling and the floor isn't that much better IMO, so we will have to see what testing brings us.
Includes (450 unpowered)
Testing
Brought Back
Mu Yanling, Sky Dancer
Kykar, Wind's Fury
Voracious Hydra
Watching
Cavalier of Gales
Cloudkin Seer
Rotting Regisaur
Chandra, Awakened Inferno
So far, no certain includes but a few tests/watch cards. This is a relief as WAR and MH1 gave us a lot to buy.
WHITE
- Hanged Executioner
BLUE
- Mu Yanling, Sky Dancer (maybe, still need to find a cut)
- Drawn from Dreams
- Cavalier of Gales
GREEN
- Ravenous Hydra
- Nightpack Ambusher
WATCHLIST
- Chandra, Acolyte of Flames
- Chandra, Awakened Inferno
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Kykar
Ravenous Hydra
Nightpack Ambusher
Mu Yanling
Blue Cavalier
Knight of the Ebon Legion
Rotting Regisaur
MABYE:
Nissa, Arkbow Ranger
Chandra, Acolyte of Flame
Cloudkin Seer
No definite includes yet.
Testing:
Ravenous Hydra for Kalonian Hydra
Rotting Regisaur for Doom Whisperer
Cloudkin Seer for Fettergeist
Kykar, Wind's Fury for Soulfire Grand Master
May test:
Mu Yanling, Sky Dancer for another blue walker
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I might end up playing Hanged Executioner and the newly revealed Apostle of Purifying Light.
Cloudkin Seer is absolutely good enough, but I'm not sure I care enough to add it. Vampire of the Dire Moon will go in over Typhoid Rats at some point unless they print another strictly better deathtoucher I like better.
The only card I'm mildly excited to try is Elvish Reclaimer. Since the pickings are so slim, this set will mostly pass me by.
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Only card I’m remotely interested in is elvish reclaimer too.
Also sorin is on my, could be a good cube card one day. I honestly think he’s bonkers if we get some good vampires, but the chances of that happening aren’t super high.
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Mu Yanling, Sky Dancer
Chandra, Acolyte of Flame
Voracious Hydra
Kykar, Wind's Fury
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I'm watching Voracious Hydra and Cavalier of Gales.
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Mu Yanling, Sky Dancer
Rotting Regisaur
Chandra, Acolyte of Flame
Marauding Raptor
Kykar, Wind's Fury
Maybe:
Brought Back
Cloudkin Seer
Knight of the Ebon Legion
Elvish Reclaimer
Voracious Hydra
Bag of Holding
Pretty cool set, happy to not have 20 worthy cards like the last few.
Chandra, Awakened Inferno
Voracious Hydra
Kykar, Wind's Fury
Out of the 3, I only really have hopes for the Hydra.
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Rotting Regisaur is definitely worth testing since I like discard outlets and massive creatures. Mandatory repeated discard may be too much though.
Mu Yanling is fun but don't think I have space.
Kytar is probably better than Soulfire Grand Master so will be making that swap.
On spoiled card wishlisting and 'should-have-had'-isms:
For artifact cube I like the includes:
Manifold Key upgrading Voltaic Key
Salvager of Ruin (testing - but very unlikely as I already have Myr Retriever and Junk diver)
Colored equipment in white and green:
Wolfrider’s Saddle
Ancestral Blade
The big update really is the full art tokens, I will surely get Soldier, Spirit, Elemental, Zombie, Wolf,
Golem, and Treasure.
Definites:
Voracious Hydra
Flexible hybrid beater/removal option that I imagine any green deck would be happy to pick up if they see it. Even better with a Rofellos or Nissa. Being comprised of counters is a plus as I have light proliferate support. Replacing Polukranos.
Nightpack Ambusher
I really like what this provides for Simic/Temur/Sultai decks as an instant speed blocker that supports and rewards draw go permission styles by accumulating a board presence if protected. A 4/4 body is a formidable thing to be throwing around during the combat step, and if you can hold up countermagic/removal for your opponents threat while also gaining a 3/3 for your trouble, you're in a good spot. Replacing Goreclaw.
Also adding Village Messenger, Wolfbitten Captive, and Mayor of Avabruck as cross pollination for Humans support. These were already on the fence for me, so this was the final push I needed.
Rotting Regisaur
I was already running two Gravecrawlers, and cheating Spawn of Mayhem as a 3drop. I feel much better switching Spawn out for this, giving black a bit more cohesion. With it as a discard outlet, I'm also looking to replace either Oona's Prowler or Heir of Falkenrath with Asylum Visitor to support the Much More Likely to be Hellbent RB decks sporting Hazoret. Interested to hear opinions on this swap.
Iffy Tests:
Corpse Knight
Almost certainly worse than Tidehollow Sculler, but plays well with black's recursive creatures and the Gravecrawlers specifically. Doesnt require warping around aristocratic payoffs to be effective, and the tribal typing is perfect for my BW section considering Curse of Shallow Graves and History of Benalia fit this dudes game plan. Gonna give him a spin, even if I expect Tidehollow to be back in it's spot eventually.
Skyknight Vanguard
I've wanted my boros section to have a 2drop for a while. Red and white 3s and 4s are stacked. This might not be enough, but the fact that he is an Emmara that flies is peaking my interest. I recently cut Tajic for a placeholder Assemble the Legion, gonna try this guy for a bit and see if I'm not crazy. Not expecting a ton here tho.
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Rotting Regisaur
Chandra, Acolyte of Flame
Kykar, Wind's Fury
Not sure if any will stick around.
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Kykar, Wind's Fury
Maybe test at some point:
Rotting Regisaur
Knight of the Ebon Legion
Voracious Hydra
Cloudkin Seer
voracious hydra
hanged executioner
knight of the ebon legion
testing:
corpse knight
bag of holding
Knight of the Ebon Legion (not sure it will make the cut)
Voracious Hydra
Nightpack Ambusher
These are the cuts I would probably make for each
Diregraf Ghoul
Kalonian Hydra
Master of the Wild Hunt
Out of the green cards, I will need to put in some testing to decide which combination of the 4 to run. I have always felt Green 4's are bad and thus had 1 more Green 5 drop. Both Master of the Wild Hunt either Die to removal or win the game so the change might be a good thing, however, the new hydra and ambusher have a much lower ceiling and the floor isn't that much better IMO, so we will have to see what testing brings us.
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