This is hard to evaluate. 3 creatures worth exiling to this that you don't want in your deck? I don't know. Much bigger hurdle than with Arcane Savant. But it's interesting for sure.
Turn four you'd at least be getting two activations generally, so it'd be more likely to get the transformation you want.
well you have a 33% chance of getting it the first time and 33% chance of getting it the second time so really you arent any more likely to get the transformation you want.
the probability of not getting what you want in either activation is 2/3 x 2/3 = 4/9, so your odds of getting what you want in at least 1 of the activations is 5/9.
ah yes my mistake you are correct. if you activate the ability twice you have a 55% chance of getting the creature you wanted.
Can i just say something that hasn't been pointed out yet? This card is basically acting as ALL 3 creatures at one time when lategame. Say i was going gruul midrange and got pushe by the draft into boros aggro. I picked Thrun and lets say atarka, then i saw a random fatty, and i picked that rather early. In response to removal after this becomes atarka, I just shuffle the dice and try to get thrun, dodging removal.
it seems SUPER cute. The times this card is just a 3/2 vanilla definitely arent zero, but I originally thought scute mob was the nuts, so im trying to learn my lesson, value is not >> efficiency. This card should be tested by everyone though.
Can i just say something that hasn't been pointed out yet? This card is basically acting as ALL 3 creatures at one time when lategame. Say i was going gruul midrange and got pushe by the draft into boros aggro. I picked Thrun and lets say atarka, then i saw a random fatty, and i picked that rather early. In response to removal after this becomes atarka, I just shuffle the dice and try to get thrun, dodging removal.
it seems SUPER cute. The times this card is just a 3/2 vanilla definitely arent zero, but I originally thought scute mob was the nuts, so im trying to learn my lesson, value is not >> efficiency. This card should be tested by everyone though.
I don't think people have an issue with the powerlevel. He's obviously very good. My issue, along with other posters, is that this card feels gimicky and could screw up the draft dynamics. Creating a solid draft environment is hard enough, I don't want to encourage rando red decks grabbing large creatures from all colors in hopes of some magical Christmasland scenario.
It's a good creature and I hope I open one in a conspiracy draft but I won't be including him in my Cube.
Can i just say something that hasn't been pointed out yet? This card is basically acting as ALL 3 creatures at one time when lategame. Say i was going gruul midrange and got pushe by the draft into boros aggro. I picked Thrun and lets say atarka, then i saw a random fatty, and i picked that rather early. In response to removal after this becomes atarka, I just shuffle the dice and try to get thrun, dodging removal.
it seems SUPER cute. The times this card is just a 3/2 vanilla definitely arent zero, but I originally thought scute mob was the nuts, so im trying to learn my lesson, value is not >> efficiency. This card should be tested by everyone though.
I don't think people have an issue with the powerlevel. He's obviously very good. My issue, along with other posters, is that this card feels gimicky and could screw up the draft dynamics. Creating a solid draft environment is hard enough, I don't want to encourage rando red decks grabbing large creatures from all colors in hopes of some magical Christmasland scenario.
It's a good creature and I hope I open one in a conspiracy draft but I won't be including him in my Cube.
I personally don't see what is wrong with that. If they have the opportunity to do it, red deck can and has already in the past cut monsters from the draft. There's nothing new there. Now they can also use them in some way, that's all. It shouldn't prevent people from using this card in their cube.
I would be happier to include Volatile Chimera in a sealed only draft. Then players can morph him into any number of unused creatures that could be powerful beaters. However, when drafting I'm not thinking about your average hate-a-fatty pick, that drafters already have to deal with. This creature heavily incentivizes a drafter to pick multiple off colour creatures. I don't want to encourage such sporadic hate in my Cube.
As well, I don't cube 'Un-'sets and the chimera feels like it plays outside the normal rules of magic. Is just too chaotic a card for me to include at the moment. Maybe in the future, because as we both stated, Volatile Chimera is a powerful magic card.
As mentioned, if you are picking a fat creature for Chimera to possibly become over a good card for your deck, you're almost certainly doing it wrong. I can't speak for every player but I can't see experienced cubers playing this so that it warps a draft heavily. I might cut a big monster if there's no decent pick for my deck, but I'm doing that already without Chimera in the draft. I expect it to have negligible impact on the dedicate fat creature decks which will continue to pick higher, and I run fewer than average massive targets.
Someone drafted this (first cube draft with any conspiracies) and went 3-0 with it. It was before Chimera was shown, so this person couldn't build around it, but the best 3-card package in the SB for him to Chimera into were: Frost Titan/Sundering Titan/Dragonlord Atarka.
There was Glen Elendra Archmage to act as removal protection, but I think that trio is a good package and that's still very good, as even if it doesn't get ETB triggers, getting a 6/6 that locks things down, a 8/8 flying trampler or a 7/10 that kills lands when it dies is still a really good deal (and would have been better if it was built around.)
Someone drafted this (first cube draft with any conspiracies) and went 3-0 with it. It was before Chimera was shown, so this person couldn't build around it, but the best 3-card package in the SB for him to Chimera into were: Frost Titan/Sundering Titan/Dragonlord Atarka.
There was Glen Elendra Archmage to act as removal protection, but I think that trio is a good package and that's still very good, as even if it doesn't get ETB triggers, getting a 6/6 that locks things down, a 8/8 flying trampler or a 7/10 that kills lands when it dies is still a really good deal (and would have been better if it was built around.)
I love chimera, and waa curious if you had any feedback in particular how the chimera actually performed in the deck?
As to the hate drafting, if mid pack you don't already have people hate drafting instead of picking cards they won't MD anyway I'm confused, people hatedraft eldrazi and memory adept all the time here, rather than pick chaff.
As Chimera was not a known card when I did my draft on Tuesday, the card was not in his deck (as shown by the attached picture,) so I have no feedback for how the card performed in the deck. I posted it to show that even in a deck that isn't explicitly trying to make it work, that it isn't very difficult to make it work.
I might cut a big monster if there's no decent pick for my deck, but I'm doing that already without Chimera in the draft. I expect it to have negligible impact on the dedicate fat creature decks which will continue to pick higher
I like this a lot, it seems powerful and lot a fun. And I don't have an issue with it affecting the draft, as I would cube it as part of the draft-matters-consipiracy package which already messes with the draft in so many ways (that's the point, isn't it?)
Even if I'd put this in a regular cube, I don't think it would negatively impact the draft. A Sneak Attack deck also takes away some fatties from reanimator; and a control deck takes the looter that the reanimator wants as discard outlet; on early picks when you're still open, you take away powerful cards from other decks; and later when you get passed a bad pack with nothing interesting left for you, you hatedraft the best card, etc., etc. I.e. "stealing" cards from other decks happens all the time, and cube decks still turn out the be great.
If I draft Volatile Chimera, I will not be picking fatties very highly, certainly not over cards that I except to make my maindeck.
As Chimera was not a known card when I did my draft on Tuesday, the card was not in his deck (as shown by the attached picture,) so I have no feedback for how the card performed in the deck. I posted it to show that even in a deck that isn't explicitly trying to make it work, that it isn't very difficult to make it work.
saying "someone drafted this and went 3-0 with it", when really "someone drafted this but found it wasn't good enough to main deck despite having a great 3 card package" is a little different.
i guess as you stated your point was to show that having a three card package isnt tough to achieve. but if this guy isnt getting played when he is pretty much at his ceiling what does that say?
saying "someone drafted this and went 3-0 with it", when really "someone drafted this but found it wasn't good enough to main deck despite having a great 3 card package" is a little different.
i guess as you stated your point was to show that having a three card package isnt tough to achieve. but if this guy isnt getting played when he is pretty much at his ceiling what does that say?
Chimera wasn't included in the 3-0 deck because it wasn't yet known to the public, not because it wasn't good enough to make the cut. Usman was pointing out that the 3-0 deck he posted didn't even have Chimera in mind and still had a nice three creature package in the board.
saying "someone drafted this and went 3-0 with it", when really "someone drafted this but found it wasn't good enough to main deck despite having a great 3 card package" is a little different.
i guess as you stated your point was to show that having a three card package isnt tough to achieve. but if this guy isnt getting played when he is pretty much at his ceiling what does that say?
Chimera wasn't included in the 3-0 deck because it wasn't yet known to the public, not because it wasn't good enough to make the cut. Usman was pointing out that the 3-0 deck he posted didn't even have Chimera in mind and still had a nice three creature package in the board.
This clearly makes it one powerlevel, but it wants three different cards from a smaller pool than Arcane Savant, so we might not run it if it proves too disruptive to drafting dynamics (R guy taking Griselbrand, inkwell, and Eldrazi Titans away from decks that actually want them).
This is EXACTLY my problem. Also, since I'm running 720, reanimated and sneak attack decks have a hard enough time getting the card that they need without also randomly competing the red aggro for cards. Not to mention the fact that I don't really want my red aggro decks swinging with emrakul on turn 4. That's just not what they do. And that deck is great on its own, anyway.
Sorry, this is actually really frustrating for me because this guy is CLEARLY nuts, which usually makes something a snap include for me but I think I have to pass on this one.
" and exile three or more creatures you drafted that aren't in your deck"
Has to be at least 3. That + it being random is what kills this for normal, mid-size or smaller cubes IMO.
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You'd need to exile 3+ or none.
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ah yes my mistake you are correct. if you activate the ability twice you have a 55% chance of getting the creature you wanted.
it seems SUPER cute. The times this card is just a 3/2 vanilla definitely arent zero, but I originally thought scute mob was the nuts, so im trying to learn my lesson, value is not >> efficiency. This card should be tested by everyone though.
thats my cube
I don't think people have an issue with the powerlevel. He's obviously very good. My issue, along with other posters, is that this card feels gimicky and could screw up the draft dynamics. Creating a solid draft environment is hard enough, I don't want to encourage rando red decks grabbing large creatures from all colors in hopes of some magical Christmasland scenario.
It's a good creature and I hope I open one in a conspiracy draft but I won't be including him in my Cube.
I personally don't see what is wrong with that. If they have the opportunity to do it, red deck can and has already in the past cut monsters from the draft. There's nothing new there. Now they can also use them in some way, that's all. It shouldn't prevent people from using this card in their cube.
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As well, I don't cube 'Un-'sets and the chimera feels like it plays outside the normal rules of magic. Is just too chaotic a card for me to include at the moment. Maybe in the future, because as we both stated, Volatile Chimera is a powerful magic card.
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There was Glen Elendra Archmage to act as removal protection, but I think that trio is a good package and that's still very good, as even if it doesn't get ETB triggers, getting a 6/6 that locks things down, a 8/8 flying trampler or a 7/10 that kills lands when it dies is still a really good deal (and would have been better if it was built around.)
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As to the hate drafting, if mid pack you don't already have people hate drafting instead of picking cards they won't MD anyway I'm confused, people hatedraft eldrazi and memory adept all the time here, rather than pick chaff.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=484979
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That.
Exactly what I meant.
Zetsu's Cube on CubeTutor.com
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Zetsu's Poker Draft Method
Even if I'd put this in a regular cube, I don't think it would negatively impact the draft. A Sneak Attack deck also takes away some fatties from reanimator; and a control deck takes the looter that the reanimator wants as discard outlet; on early picks when you're still open, you take away powerful cards from other decks; and later when you get passed a bad pack with nothing interesting left for you, you hatedraft the best card, etc., etc. I.e. "stealing" cards from other decks happens all the time, and cube decks still turn out the be great.
If I draft Volatile Chimera, I will not be picking fatties very highly, certainly not over cards that I except to make my maindeck.
saying "someone drafted this and went 3-0 with it", when really "someone drafted this but found it wasn't good enough to main deck despite having a great 3 card package" is a little different.
i guess as you stated your point was to show that having a three card package isnt tough to achieve. but if this guy isnt getting played when he is pretty much at his ceiling what does that say?
Chimera wasn't included in the 3-0 deck because it wasn't yet known to the public, not because it wasn't good enough to make the cut. Usman was pointing out that the 3-0 deck he posted didn't even have Chimera in mind and still had a nice three creature package in the board.
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This is EXACTLY my problem. Also, since I'm running 720, reanimated and sneak attack decks have a hard enough time getting the card that they need without also randomly competing the red aggro for cards. Not to mention the fact that I don't really want my red aggro decks swinging with emrakul on turn 4. That's just not what they do. And that deck is great on its own, anyway.
Sorry, this is actually really frustrating for me because this guy is CLEARLY nuts, which usually makes something a snap include for me but I think I have to pass on this one.