I like it, at the same time it feels a bit "goofy" to include this in my cube. I'll be putting it with my conspiracy pack to play when we feels like it.
I think this plays a lot closer to "real Magic" than any other draft-matters cards we've seen yet. This doesn't really seem further out there than the Will of the Council cards in a two player game.
I've dipped my toe into draft-matters cards with Paliano already and it's been well-received in my group. Adds an extra dimension of game theory.
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I think people are thinking about this wrong when picking a blue card. I want to include those blue cards in my final 40, usually picking a nonblue spell seems right if you can't heavily abuse it's etb.
So, with this you start the game with 39-card library? Build your own ETB trigger seems very nice and I agree that splashing something with this is super powerful and fun! Small disadvantage is that you need to reveal this card and the exiled card, so it can reveal stuff about your deck prematurely and help the opponent play around properly.
So, with this you start the game with 39-card library? Build your own ETB trigger seems very nice and I agree that splashing something with this is super powerful and fun! Small disadvantage is that you need to reveal this card and the exiled card, so it can reveal stuff about your deck prematurely and help the opponent play around properly.
No, 40 card library. The exiled card has to be picked from cards you aren't running in your deck.
You also don't have to reveal the card you exile. Only Arcane Savant itself.
You have to exile the instant or sorcery and it doesn't say face down so the exiled card is face up. You can't quite hide what it is.
Running toxic deluge or damnation for 3UU in my amorous control shell sounds just fine. Even a lightning bolt is serviceable. Usually with time I lose hype on cards, but I keep thinking about best case and worst case scenarios and they all seem great. My question is, what is your worst case scenario with this card, I imagine only really having x spells in sideboard would suck, but that would be almost impossible especially if you draft this guy before p3p15.
I like it, at the same time it feels a bit "goofy" to include this in my cube. I'll be putting it with my conspiracy pack to play when we feels like it.
Right now, this sums up my feeling. The card is absurdly powerful but I'm not sure I want this effect in the regular section of my cube.
It will go into my Conspiracy Module for when goofy cards get included for funsies, but since I can't use this card in a lot of our events, it won't be going into the main body of the cube.
Running toxic deluge or damnation for 3UU in my amorous control shell sounds just fine. Even a lightning bolt is serviceable. Usually with time I lose hype on cards, but I keep thinking about best case and worst case scenarios and they all seem great. My question is, what is your worst case scenario with this card, I imagine only really having x spells in sideboard would suck, but that would be almost impossible especially if you draft this guy before p3p15.
Even if this card were literally the last pick you wouldn't end up with that scenario. Worst case you have to take an instant/sorcery that you wanted in your final 23 and instead you choose to run it stapled to this dude (the horror!). I suppose if things went horribly wrong in draft and you literally only had 23 playables and this stuck you with no viable options for that 23rd card (and literally nothing outside the 23 was viable as something to put on this guy). But if that happened, you were probably losing some matches regardless.
I looked at the last several Ux decks I drafted online (obviously with no knowledge of Arcane Savant). In every case, there were at least 2-3 options for things I could staple to this guy that would make him worth more than 5 mana. In all but one case, he would have been completely absurd. Imagine making a blink deck and stapling a storm card to him? This guy plus Hunting Pack and then blink him.
I feel like Wizards printed this to haze the cubing community. Will they run anything high power we print regardless of how broken it is?
I'll start out saying this most likely won't make the cut in my 360, despite how cool it is.
So, I'm not sure this card makes the cut OR makes sense for how we play (like wtwlf123 said). I draft mostly with a small group of friends (4-6) and we rarely use sideboards (sounds silly, but we are a very casual group and usually play multiplayer anyway), so essentially you'd have to keep a small SB if you ran this card...not a huge deal, but it does change the ergonomics of playing. But if I were to fit this card, I would have to take into consideration that a few people complain about Bribery, Aetherling, and True-Name Nemesis for being un-fun. Which would be the most appropriate cut?
Not sure I understand how side boards factor into this. If you draft, you generally have more cards than go in your deck. So make a 41 card deck, with that 41st card being the one you staple to Arcane Savant (that isn't actually in your deck). No side board required. You can switch cards game to game if you use a side board, so that just makes the card more powerful. But even if you are stuck with just one card stapled to this thing, it's still probably going to be the most powerful blue creature you could possibly run.
Not sure I understand how side boards factor into this. If you draft, you generally have more cards than go in your deck. So make a 41 card deck, with that 41st card being the one you staple to Arcane Savant (that isn't actually in your deck). No side board required. You can switch cards game to game if you use a side board, so that just makes the card more powerful. But even if you are stuck with just one card stapled to this thing, it's still probably going to be the most powerful blue creature you could possibly run.
A lot of people don't allow sideboards for theft reasons: anything not maindecked goes straight into the cube box for a lot of people.
Not sure I understand how side boards factor into this. If you draft, you generally have more cards than go in your deck. So make a 41 card deck, with that 41st card being the one you staple to Arcane Savant (that isn't actually in your deck). No side board required. You can switch cards game to game if you use a side board, so that just makes the card more powerful. But even if you are stuck with just one card stapled to this thing, it's still probably going to be the most powerful blue creature you could possibly run.
A lot of people don't allow sideboards for theft reasons: anything not maindecked goes straight into the cube box for a lot of people.
And this is why I don't cube with people I don't either know or can have a friend vouch for.
Unlike other "draft matters" cards (cogwork librarian et all) this one can actually work in sealed deck as well. We draft more than sealed but I'll leave this in for the sealed decks and let my playgroup exile any card in their given pool for Arcane Savant.
But if I were to fit this card, I would have to take into consideration that a few people complain about Bribery, Aetherling, and True-Name Nemesis for being un-fun. Which would be the most appropriate cut?
I think I dislike Bribery more because of how variable it's power level is. Against mono-Red it's extremely underwhelming, while against grenn decks it's completely game-breaking. I don't run it for that reason alone.
On topic: this card looks absurd and I'm running it.
Not sure I understand how side boards factor into this. If you draft, you generally have more cards than go in your deck. So make a 41 card deck, with that 41st card being the one you staple to Arcane Savant (that isn't actually in your deck). No side board required. You can switch cards game to game if you use a side board, so that just makes the card more powerful. But even if you are stuck with just one card stapled to this thing, it's still probably going to be the most powerful blue creature you could possibly run.
Just like in a regular draft, the cards you drafted that you aren't playing in your maindeck become your "sideboard". So if we don't play with sideboards (i.e. we put the cards we drafted but haven't maindecked back into the cube box after deck construction), this card would require a player to keep one or multiple cards set aside to be used. I hope you can now understand what a sideboard is and what I meant by my original post.
It doesn't work in sealed, but it would work if you decided to do a draft with 5 9-card boosters per person. So if you do a "draft" with 90 1-card boosters per person...
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Just like in a regular draft, the cards you drafted that you aren't playing in your maindeck become your "sideboard". So if we don't play with sideboards (i.e. we put the cards we drafted but haven't maindecked back into the cube box after deck construction), this card would require a player to keep one or multiple cards set aside to be used. I hope you can now understand what a sideboard is and what I meant by my original post.
I think we are saying the same thing. Verbiage on Arcane Savant doesn't reference side board specifically, just cards you drafted but didn't include. So you set that card aside, shuffle up your 40 (with no side board), and play. You could just as easily have made a 41 card deck instead of a 40 card deck right and then pulled that card out before the game?
At the end of the day though, it's whatever rule your players want to follow. You can make Arcane Savant unplayable through technicalities, or you can make it work in virtually any format where extra cards can be construed as "drafted but not in your deck". That said, this card is so degenerate, I wouldn't run it in anything other than fully powered cube.
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I've dipped my toe into draft-matters cards with Paliano already and it's been well-received in my group. Adds an extra dimension of game theory.
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You have to exile the instant or sorcery and it doesn't say face down so the exiled card is face up. You can't quite hide what it is.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=484979
Right now, this sums up my feeling. The card is absurdly powerful but I'm not sure I want this effect in the regular section of my cube.
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Ah you are right. Got mixed up since it says to reveal from the deck, but then it is talking about the savant itself.
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Even if this card were literally the last pick you wouldn't end up with that scenario. Worst case you have to take an instant/sorcery that you wanted in your final 23 and instead you choose to run it stapled to this dude (the horror!). I suppose if things went horribly wrong in draft and you literally only had 23 playables and this stuck you with no viable options for that 23rd card (and literally nothing outside the 23 was viable as something to put on this guy). But if that happened, you were probably losing some matches regardless.
I looked at the last several Ux decks I drafted online (obviously with no knowledge of Arcane Savant). In every case, there were at least 2-3 options for things I could staple to this guy that would make him worth more than 5 mana. In all but one case, he would have been completely absurd. Imagine making a blink deck and stapling a storm card to him? This guy plus Hunting Pack and then blink him.
I feel like Wizards printed this to haze the cubing community. Will they run anything high power we print regardless of how broken it is?
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So, I'm not sure this card makes the cut OR makes sense for how we play (like wtwlf123 said). I draft mostly with a small group of friends (4-6) and we rarely use sideboards (sounds silly, but we are a very casual group and usually play multiplayer anyway), so essentially you'd have to keep a small SB if you ran this card...not a huge deal, but it does change the ergonomics of playing. But if I were to fit this card, I would have to take into consideration that a few people complain about Bribery, Aetherling, and True-Name Nemesis for being un-fun. Which would be the most appropriate cut?
http://riptidelab.com/forum/threads/modular-cube-5-colors.800/
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A lot of people don't allow sideboards for theft reasons: anything not maindecked goes straight into the cube box for a lot of people.
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That would be my guess, as I suppose you're technically not drafting your pool, but **** that I would still do it and just have it be understood.
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I think I dislike Bribery more because of how variable it's power level is. Against mono-Red it's extremely underwhelming, while against grenn decks it's completely game-breaking. I don't run it for that reason alone.
On topic: this card looks absurd and I'm running it.
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Just like in a regular draft, the cards you drafted that you aren't playing in your maindeck become your "sideboard". So if we don't play with sideboards (i.e. we put the cards we drafted but haven't maindecked back into the cube box after deck construction), this card would require a player to keep one or multiple cards set aside to be used. I hope you can now understand what a sideboard is and what I meant by my original post.
Correct. Doesn't work in sealed deck.
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I think we are saying the same thing. Verbiage on Arcane Savant doesn't reference side board specifically, just cards you drafted but didn't include. So you set that card aside, shuffle up your 40 (with no side board), and play. You could just as easily have made a 41 card deck instead of a 40 card deck right and then pulled that card out before the game?
At the end of the day though, it's whatever rule your players want to follow. You can make Arcane Savant unplayable through technicalities, or you can make it work in virtually any format where extra cards can be construed as "drafted but not in your deck". That said, this card is so degenerate, I wouldn't run it in anything other than fully powered cube.
http://riptidelab.com/forum/threads/modular-cube-5-colors.800/
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