How has this card been performing for people?
It seems to ride sideboards for us a lot, I can't recall seeing it played in the last few years of monthly cubing in our group.
I know it's an all-star in other formats, and likely we're under-utilizing it, but figured I'd ask y'all.
What decks/situations does this card shine for folks who are playing it?
I've seen it played somewhat in modern/ legacy - its purpose it more or less to help colors remove problematic permanents that it would normally struggle against - i.e. cheap creatures, enchantments, artifacts, tokens, etc. depending on the color combination.
Here are some examples:
- Good answer Mother of Runes + Aether Veil out of Death and Taxes
- Good vs decks with Bitterblossom + Lingering souls - both hard to answer efficiently
- Red decks struggle against Tarmogoyf
- Answer to Enchantments out of decks that lack enchantment removal (i.e. Grixis)
- 2 CMC answer to Chalice of the Void
From my experience, its a bad inefficient answer for a slow reactive deck that needs to answer problematic cards and occasional can score a 2 for 1. Its also not a bad 0 mana artifact for the artifact decks. Its usually not the best card in your deck - you're not going to get blowouts like Damnation/ Shatterstorm etc. but its a good answer to problematic cards.
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Nothing's changed for us; card's still great. It's a flexible answer to a lot of problematic cards, and it can slide into pretty much any 2+ color deck. It's a great answer to moxes, tokens, and aggressive openings.
I think it's a decent card that gets better if you're playing Emry, Lurker of the Loch and Lurrus of the Dream-Den and the like.
I'm at 360 with both of those cards, and it also helps me in my quest to try to make delirium a thing, so I'm going to give it a shot.
Time only gives more important things that Engineered Explosives needs to kill. It doesn't go into every deck, but I don't see it ever going out of fashion since there's no shortage of things for it to deal with.
I think it's a decent card that gets better if you're playing Emry, Lurker of the Loch and Lurrus of the Dream-Den and the like.
I'm at 360 with both of those cards, and it also helps me in my quest to try to make delirium a thing, so I'm going to give it a shot.
Damn. Emry and Lurrus were tough cuts a while back. What I find really sad these days is cutting any 1 card weakens 5-6 synergies I always overlook.
I'm just amazing everyday at how every micro decision between two cards can have such a huge impact and could make or break an archetype.
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i'm also onboard w/ EE, i've run it competitively for yrs in my vintage sideboard w/ success. so in a powered cube, i can see it being an especially good card. casting it for zero to be able to deal w/ a few moxen early or just being able to eradicate an army of tokens is awesome. it also helps colors that struggle w/ artifact & enchantment removal. & gives ppl options for dealing w/ a resolved mom or other creatures w/ protection
We tried it and didn't like it because in our experience it was just so slow and overpriced, but I'm sure its decent removal against aggro and ramp decks if your format is a little slower.
We tried it and didn't like it because in our experience it was just so slow and overpriced, but I'm sure its decent removal against aggro and ramp decks if your format is a little slower.
Really? I would think its more powerful in a smaller 360 card cube than a 720 card cube as your opponent is more likely to open with moxen/ mana dorks
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We tried it and didn't like it because in our experience it was just so slow and overpriced, but I'm sure its decent removal against aggro and ramp decks if your format is a little slower.
Really? I would think its more powerful in a smaller 360 card cube than a 720 card cube as your opponent is more likely to open with moxen/ mana dorks
The issue is it's really, really clunky removal that most decks can't even play in the first place. Other people with larger cubes have said they like it, so I'm assuming its a speed issue rather than a target-density issue but regardless for us it was pretty unplayable every time we've tried it (which has been multiple times).
It seems to ride sideboards for us a lot, I can't recall seeing it played in the last few years of monthly cubing in our group.
I know it's an all-star in other formats, and likely we're under-utilizing it, but figured I'd ask y'all.
What decks/situations does this card shine for folks who are playing it?
Here are some examples:
- Good answer Mother of Runes + Aether Veil out of Death and Taxes
- Good vs decks with Bitterblossom + Lingering souls - both hard to answer efficiently
- Red decks struggle against Tarmogoyf
- Answer to Enchantments out of decks that lack enchantment removal (i.e. Grixis)
- 2 CMC answer to Chalice of the Void
From my experience, its a bad inefficient answer for a slow reactive deck that needs to answer problematic cards and occasional can score a 2 for 1. Its also not a bad 0 mana artifact for the artifact decks. Its usually not the best card in your deck - you're not going to get blowouts like Damnation/ Shatterstorm etc. but its a good answer to problematic cards.
Vintage Cube Cards Explained
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1. Minimum Archetype Support
2. Improving Green Archetypes
3. Improving White Archetypes
4. Matchup Analysis
5. Cube Combos (Work in Progress)
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I'm at 360 with both of those cards, and it also helps me in my quest to try to make delirium a thing, so I'm going to give it a shot.
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Damn. Emry and Lurrus were tough cuts a while back. What I find really sad these days is cutting any 1 card weakens 5-6 synergies I always overlook.
I'm just amazing everyday at how every micro decision between two cards can have such a huge impact and could make or break an archetype.
Vintage Cube Cards Explained
Here are some other articles I've written about fine tuning your cube:
1. Minimum Archetype Support
2. Improving Green Archetypes
3. Improving White Archetypes
4. Matchup Analysis
5. Cube Combos (Work in Progress)
Draft my Cube - https://cubecobra.com/cube/overview/d8i
Really? I would think its more powerful in a smaller 360 card cube than a 720 card cube as your opponent is more likely to open with moxen/ mana dorks
Vintage Cube Cards Explained
Here are some other articles I've written about fine tuning your cube:
1. Minimum Archetype Support
2. Improving Green Archetypes
3. Improving White Archetypes
4. Matchup Analysis
5. Cube Combos (Work in Progress)
Draft my Cube - https://cubecobra.com/cube/overview/d8i
The issue is it's really, really clunky removal that most decks can't even play in the first place. Other people with larger cubes have said they like it, so I'm assuming its a speed issue rather than a target-density issue but regardless for us it was pretty unplayable every time we've tried it (which has been multiple times).