I know it is in a crowded spot... but this seems really really good for so many cards in white.
Brimaz, Spirit keeper, Mentor, Bladehold, Warleader, Angel of Invention, Cloudgoat, All elspeths, Secure the wastes, Spectral Possession, Sram's, Landing, Benalia, Lingering Souls not to mention it has overlap with Red and the many token makers there.
I'm guessing 9. You want to be drawing multiples every game and you want them down early before this even hits. Problem is we don't have enough 1 or 2 drops.
I would think with the guys that make tokens on attack this is just the nuts. I mean it plays so well on curve with Hero and Leonin and any of the Red generators (Garrison etc..). It is also good with hangerback. I looked at my cube to see how many token generators I had and it was pretty nuts. I mean this and attack with baldehold is 10 in the air right?
I think this card is fun and very cool, but from a gameplay perspective, I think something like Cathar’s Crusade might be a bit better for most decks if you wanted something to this effect.
I would think with the guys that make tokens on attack this is just the nuts. I mean it plays so well on curve with Hero and Leonin and any of the Red generators (Garrison etc..). It is also good with hangerback. I looked at my cube to see how many token generators I had and it was pretty nuts. I mean this and attack with baldehold is 10 in the air right?
Likely is pretty absurd if it combines wit h a token generator that makes multiple tokens, but the question is what would a deck look like that would be able to take advantage of it? A hypothetical deck with this, Brimaz, Spectral Procession and Angel of Invention result in a great payoff if making Serra Angels instead of tokens, but would it be worth it if nothing else in the deck created tokens?
And if not, what would the required support in a deck need to be?
The dictate makes my 1/1s into 3/3 instead of angels, sure, but it also:
-Affects tokens created before the enchantment hit.
-Affects non-token creatures.
-Has flash and can be used as a pretty disgusting combat trick sometimes.
I agree with this. I like Dictate but it didn't stick in our cube. 3WW is just too much.
The dictate makes my 1/1s into 3/3 instead of angels, sure, but it also:
-Affects tokens created before the enchantment hit.
-Affects non-token creatures.
-Has flash and can be used as a pretty disgusting combat trick sometimes.
Good comparison. I like Dictate quite a bit and cubed with it for a long while and it actually performed quite well. I was sad to cut it but white 5's are one of, if notthe, tightest spot in my Cube.
It's theoretically possible to build around this card if your cube has a lot of token makers... probabily would require 3+ colors of mana in most cubes.
You need a deck with a LOT of token creators before this card becomes good.. As a 5 mana card that can occasionally do stone cold nothing needs to do A LOT when it's actually doing something, and it better do it at a reasonably high frequency, since it's safe to assume your opponent is trying to disrupt you in some way.
Probably quite strong in a heavy heavy tokens deck, but those are just wayyy too rare and underpowered in my cube to justify including this card for. The payoff isn't high enough to build around either.
Not remotely close for me.
Maybe in a large unpowered cube for funsies.. I'm sure this will be great in a EDH tokens deck or something (I dont play EDH)
Don't fall for the nice buildaround trap, people.
As stated by others as well, you need to build your deck to take advantage of this, and you need the 5 casting cost enchantment in play before you get any of the cool stuff.
This is fun and probably more realistic in Commander, Brawl, maybe even Sealed and Draft, but not Cube.
The comparison with Dictate of Heliod is justified and makes this seem very bad in comparison.
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The comparison to Dictate is very apt. I agree dictate is better. I cut dictate so i guess this also doesn't make the grade.
I guess my only thought was that there seems to be a push towards red white tokens in my cube at least. With the glut of repeatable token makers in red white at 3 and four mana that are created and attacking it seemed like it might be good (brim, hero of blade hold, leonin, all the red guys and the red warrior maker). It does grant evasion and a slightly bigger stat boost when compared to dictate, but agree that this is a minor upside compared to the big upside from dictate in other circumstances. I guess for this kind of effect dictate is just better and supports more decks if you want to run it.
Brimaz, Spirit keeper, Mentor, Bladehold, Warleader, Angel of Invention, Cloudgoat, All elspeths, Secure the wastes, Spectral Possession, Sram's, Landing, Benalia, Lingering Souls not to mention it has overlap with Red and the many token makers there.
This seems good enough to me.
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Likely is pretty absurd if it combines wit h a token generator that makes multiple tokens, but the question is what would a deck look like that would be able to take advantage of it? A hypothetical deck with this, Brimaz, Spectral Procession and Angel of Invention result in a great payoff if making Serra Angels instead of tokens, but would it be worth it if nothing else in the deck created tokens?
And if not, what would the required support in a deck need to be?
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I agree with this. I like Dictate but it didn't stick in our cube. 3WW is just too much.
So this card does not look promising to me.
You need a deck with a LOT of token creators before this card becomes good.. As a 5 mana card that can occasionally do stone cold nothing needs to do A LOT when it's actually doing something, and it better do it at a reasonably high frequency, since it's safe to assume your opponent is trying to disrupt you in some way.
Probably quite strong in a heavy heavy tokens deck, but those are just wayyy too rare and underpowered in my cube to justify including this card for. The payoff isn't high enough to build around either.
Not remotely close for me.
Maybe in a large unpowered cube for funsies.. I'm sure this will be great in a EDH tokens deck or something (I dont play EDH)
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This card seems like a really bad Dictate of Heliod. Hard pass.
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As stated by others as well, you need to build your deck to take advantage of this, and you need the 5 casting cost enchantment in play before you get any of the cool stuff.
This is fun and probably more realistic in Commander, Brawl, maybe even Sealed and Draft, but not Cube.
The comparison with Dictate of Heliod is justified and makes this seem very bad in comparison.
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540> 360 Powered CubeI guess my only thought was that there seems to be a push towards red white tokens in my cube at least. With the glut of repeatable token makers in red white at 3 and four mana that are created and attacking it seemed like it might be good (brim, hero of blade hold, leonin, all the red guys and the red warrior maker). It does grant evasion and a slightly bigger stat boost when compared to dictate, but agree that this is a minor upside compared to the big upside from dictate in other circumstances. I guess for this kind of effect dictate is just better and supports more decks if you want to run it.