White Fatties too tight. 8 cmc too much, takes up a more main deckable/versatile spot. I don't play Angel of Serenity and prefer not to take out one of my token makers which can go in many more decks.
Neat card but I actively dislike that double strike creatures are defaulted to 0.5 X / X for power and toughness. It makes it kind of why bother? But that is just nitpicking
No chance. Haste and/or Lifelink would improve this by a lot. It won't stop you from getting run over. I know what doesn't typically get haste, either, but still it would have gone a long way.
Doesn't stabilize the board or consistently win the game enough in the way a 8 drop needs to survive in cube.
When you are investing multiple resources (and require the right combination of cards) to resolve an 8 drop, it has to have a very good chance of winning the game.
In the context of the most powerful cards of magic of all time, this doesn't qualify.
Exile removal deals with it 1 for 1, which is too big of a downside for the upside it offers.
Tokens go around it, edicts kill it, burn goes through.. have multiple turns to clone/control magic it.
It's not horrendous, but certainly not good enough.
When will we get an 8cmc 5/5 that Geddons or kills at least a few lands on etb?
Super excited for the red one, though.
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Indestructible sadly doesn't save it from many of the things I'm afraid of when I reanimate a fattie without an ETB trigger. Despite the keyword soup not a particularly impressive creature given the 8CC, and it doesn't work with many alternate fatty-cheat cards like Tinker or Natural Order.
Isn't this pretty much just a much worse Avacyn? Both are indestructible vigilant flying essentially 8/8 bodies, but I'd rather have the indestructible for all my other stuff than the trample.
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Not sure if I can justify this over Angel of Serenity actually, that card is really swingy and is more castable in GW ramp decks. Being able to bring back creatures in the graveyard that died via Sneak Attack is also pretty vital. Definitely my next super fatty of choice after Elesh Norn / Angel of Serenity though.
Isn't this pretty much just a much worse Avacyn? Both are indestructible vigilant flying essentially 8/8 bodies, but I'd rather have the indestructible for all my other stuff than the trample.
For the cheaty face decks I'd rather have trample. Really don't care if my other stuff is getting blown up.
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Not sure if I can justify this over Angel of Serenity actually, that card is really swingy and is more castable in GW ramp decks. Being able to bring back creatures in the graveyard that died via Sneak Attack is also pretty vital. Definitely my next super fatty of choice after Elesh Norn / Angel of Serenity though.
Isn't this pretty much just a much worse Avacyn? Both are indestructible vigilant flying essentially 8/8 bodies, but I'd rather have the indestructible for all my other stuff than the trample.
For the cheaty face decks I'd rather have trample. Really don't care if my other stuff is getting blown up.
I suppose that's often the case, but it does at least prevent Animate Dead style reanimation from just getting Rec Saged. Neither of them are very close for small cubes in my opinion, but if I was looking at a cube that wanted an 8 mana 8/8 indestructible flyer in white I think I'd test Avacyn first.
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I wish this felt less like all the angels with similar keywords. White has the fewest super-fatties of any color (not that it doesn't have some very strong ones), so more are welcome enough.
I'm not interested in this, as it really fails to be remarkable. I play Iona, Shield of Emeria in the slot, and another would be fine, but it would need to be more exciting than this and less oppressive than Elesh Norn.
New white super fattie! Indestructible and vigilance makes it really hard to deal with. Might replace Angel of Serenity with this.
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It's not as good as Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite obviously. I also run Angel of Serenity and Sun Titan at 6+ CMC. Are there other white fatties I should consider in a 360 unpowered?
When you are investing multiple resources (and require the right combination of cards) to resolve an 8 drop, it has to have a very good chance of winning the game.
In the context of the most powerful cards of magic of all time, this doesn't qualify.
Exile removal deals with it 1 for 1, which is too big of a downside for the upside it offers.
Tokens go around it, edicts kill it, burn goes through.. have multiple turns to clone/control magic it.
It's not horrendous, but certainly not good enough.
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For the cheaty face decks I'd rather have trample. Really don't care if my other stuff is getting blown up.
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I suppose that's often the case, but it does at least prevent Animate Dead style reanimation from just getting Rec Saged. Neither of them are very close for small cubes in my opinion, but if I was looking at a cube that wanted an 8 mana 8/8 indestructible flyer in white I think I'd test Avacyn first.
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I'm not interested in this, as it really fails to be remarkable. I play Iona, Shield of Emeria in the slot, and another would be fine, but it would need to be more exciting than this and less oppressive than Elesh Norn.
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