It can function kinda like a black Through the Breach variant for black. It's not a bad card, but it can be limited by a lot of factors that can influence its value. The fact that the opponent can react to the body with sorcery-speed interaction hurts it quite a bit, for example.
Like with Show and Tell, you mean? I'm just kidding
But yeah, it has limitations, that's for sure. Your opponent can sacrifice the creature for value with sac-outlet. Though to answer, but can your opponent also decide to attack his own planeswalkers instead of himself with it? I guess so. And the creature won't ever be able to block for you, as you would be able to with your Tinker target for example.
We've cut the un-cards (this one isn't, but kind of...) during the past year, but since we're at 630 size (and currently testing 650) we definitly would want more cheat effect in the cube to contribute to the archetype. This one came to our mind and does look great. So for those reasons, yeah, we are highly considering it. I could bring back some results as soon as I can if you want me to.
We've cut the un-cards (this one isn't, but kind of...) during the past year, but since we're at 630 size (and currently testing 650) we definitly would want more cheat effect in the cube to contribute to the archetype. This one came to our mind and does look great. So for those reasons, yeah, we are highly considering it. I could bring back some results as soon as I can if you want me to.
Yeah, one-sided Show and Tell that attacks first turn it's in play (right?) seems worth 2BB. Even though there are ways to interact with it, giving your opponent literal one turn to do so seems strong. Plus the lol's of giving your opponent a creature that attacks them are prob worth it.
I want to add this card as soon as I can pucatrade for it. Besides the opponent being able to sac their own monster, another downside is that some normally good sneak/show/reanimate targets are less good under the opponent's control - titans, griselbrand, elesh norn, anything with lifelink, etc. Better targets would be big dumb beaters with detrimental attack triggers - eldrazi, inkwell, thundermaw, etc.
One question I have is who owns any enters the battlefield triggers. If I give you a hornet queen or avenger of zendikar, I assume you get the tokens as well since it's under your control as it enters the battlefield. Would the caster or receiver get to choose terastodon or sundering titan targets? I'm not sure if there are any vintage-legal cards that set a precedent for this type of interaction.
card seems fun but how many cheaty cards is too many? if you are already running sneak attack, show and tell, and natural order does black need its own version too or is that excessive?
It might be too excessive, it might not be good enough, it could be a good back up/plan b for reanimator decks that draw the creature but don't have the discard outlet. I would probably be happy to run this in a UB Show and Tell/Reanimator deck, get a mystical tutor in there call it a day.
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Looking for some new fair way to cheat stuff onto battlefield and this came to our mind. I'm curious about this Holiday one. Any thoughts?
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But yeah, it has limitations, that's for sure. Your opponent can sacrifice the creature for value with sac-outlet. Though to answer, but can your opponent also decide to attack his own planeswalkers instead of himself with it? I guess so. And the creature won't ever be able to block for you, as you would be able to with your Tinker target for example.
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Yeah, one-sided Show and Tell that attacks first turn it's in play (right?) seems worth 2BB. Even though there are ways to interact with it, giving your opponent literal one turn to do so seems strong. Plus the lol's of giving your opponent a creature that attacks them are prob worth it.
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One question I have is who owns any enters the battlefield triggers. If I give you a hornet queen or avenger of zendikar, I assume you get the tokens as well since it's under your control as it enters the battlefield. Would the caster or receiver get to choose terastodon or sundering titan targets? I'm not sure if there are any vintage-legal cards that set a precedent for this type of interaction.
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But yeah, I assume all the ETB triggers go to your opponent as well, including tokens and stuff.
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