I'm opening up Black a little bit early in order to keep things on schedule. Allred and I are on different sides of the planet, so waiting until Blue's closed and results are posted would mean losing a full day. However, I don't think the overlap should lead to any problems with Blue or Black.
Again, here's how the Power Rankings voting will work:
* This thread will be open until Friday, October 21st, 6:00 p.m. Seoul time (5:00 a.m. Eastern Standard Time).
* Voters are to rank the 20 cards most powerful black cards based on how effectively they contribute to game wins in a traditional cube environment. Partial lists will not be accepted.
* Please rank your cards from #1 through #20, with #1 being the card you consider most powerful.
* The VOTING thread is for posting your votes only. Small discussions about the voting, in particular pointing out errors in other voter's rankings and questions about the voting process, are allowed within reasonable length, but otherwise you should use the main Power Rankings thread for discussions.
* Results will be posted in their own thread after this one is closed and all the votes are compiled.
* You can edit your vote freely, up until the moment the thread is closed.
===
HOW TO VOTE ON SIMILAR CARDS
The following cards are considered to be equal. If you include them in your vote, they must be ranked as a single entry.
(no relevant examples I could find)
And the following cards, despite having very similar effects, are not considered equal and must be ranked at separated entries:
According to the rules at the main thread, the following cards are included in the BLACK voting group:
* Volrath's Stronghold, Cabal Coffers, Phyrexian Tower and any other land able to produce only black mana, or that produces colorless mana but has abilities that cost black mana (and no other color).
* Dismember, Vault Skirge and other "hybrid" black/colorless cards.
* Lashwrithe, Dross Golem, Cranial Plating and other colorless artifacts with abilities costing black mana or that requires you to control swamps, black permanents or play black spells.
CARDS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED ON THIS VOTING
Also according to the rules, the following cards are included in other voting groups and must not be voted here:
* Vivid Marsh and other lands able to produce 'mana of any color', even if their 'main' color is black. Their voting group is LANDS.
* Tasigur, the Golden Fang, Brutal Hordechief, Unburial Rites, Harbor Bandit and any other black card with abilities that cost mana of other colors or that require you to control lands of other basic types. Their voting group is GUILD or 3+ COLOR.
* Rakdos Cackler, Deathrite Shaman and other hybrids cards with other color. Their voting group is also GUILD or 3+ COLOR.
* Mox Jet, Leaden Myr and other colorless artifacts that produce black mana but have no ability costing black mana or that requires you to control Swamps. Their voting group is COLORLESS.
* Cards with the CONSPIRACY type (specifically Assemble the Rank and Vile) have been excluded by popular vote from this year's Power Rankings. They will be voted on in their own separate category after the OVERALL Power Rankings have concluded.
(Note that other black cards from Conspiracy or Conspiracy: Take the Crown expansions can be voted on here, including those that reference the draft in their rules text (e.g. Regicide)
* Silver-bordered cards from Unhinged or Unglued (e.g. Booster Tutor) and holiday promo cards (e.g. Evil Presents) have also been excluded by popular vote from this year's Power Rankings. They will be voted on in a separate category after the OVERALL Power Rankings have concluded.
===
PREVIOUS RANKINGS
For reference, here are the BLACK results for the previous three Power Rankings project. I'm including them here to be used as a reference only.
1 Mind Twist
2 Recurring Nightmare
3 Demonic Tutor
4 Vampiric Tutor
5 Dark Confidant
6 Liliana of the Veil
7 Braids, Cabal Minion
8 Toxic Deluge
9 Bitterblossom
10 Hymn to Tourach
11 Damnation
12 Grave Titan
13 Thoughtseize
14 Pack Rat
15 Imperial Seal
16 Languish
17 Living Death
18 Griselbrand
19 Ophiomancer
20 Reanimate
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Cards that I didn't vote on (because I never played with them): The Abyss; Nether Void; Imperial Seal; Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet; and Liliana, the Last Hope. I think Imperial Seal could make my list, but I also think that sorcery speed and put-on-top are enough drawbacks that it might miss it, so I prefer not to estimate it. Honorable Mention: Pack Rat (I like them, but they really don't make my list).
Again, here's how the Power Rankings voting will work:
* This thread will be open until Friday, October 21st, 6:00 p.m. Seoul time (5:00 a.m. Eastern Standard Time).
* Voters are to rank the 20 cards most powerful black cards based on how effectively they contribute to game wins in a traditional cube environment. Partial lists will not be accepted.
* Please rank your cards from #1 through #20, with #1 being the card you consider most powerful.
* The VOTING thread is for posting your votes only. Small discussions about the voting, in particular pointing out errors in other voter's rankings and questions about the voting process, are allowed within reasonable length, but otherwise you should use the main Power Rankings thread for discussions.
* Results will be posted in their own thread after this one is closed and all the votes are compiled.
* You can edit your vote freely, up until the moment the thread is closed.
===
HOW TO VOTE ON SIMILAR CARDS
The following cards are considered to be equal. If you include them in your vote, they must be ranked as a single entry.
(no relevant examples I could find)
And the following cards, despite having very similar effects, are not considered equal and must be ranked at separated entries:
* Imperial Seal x Vampiric Tutor
===
CARDS THAT ARE INCLUDED ON THIS VOTING
According to the rules at the main thread, the following cards are included in the BLACK voting group:
* Volrath's Stronghold, Cabal Coffers, Phyrexian Tower and any other land able to produce only black mana, or that produces colorless mana but has abilities that cost black mana (and no other color).
* Dismember, Vault Skirge and other "hybrid" black/colorless cards.
* Lashwrithe, Dross Golem, Cranial Plating and other colorless artifacts with abilities costing black mana or that requires you to control swamps, black permanents or play black spells.
CARDS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED ON THIS VOTING
Also according to the rules, the following cards are included in other voting groups and must not be voted here:
* Vivid Marsh and other lands able to produce 'mana of any color', even if their 'main' color is black. Their voting group is LANDS.
* Tasigur, the Golden Fang, Brutal Hordechief, Unburial Rites, Harbor Bandit and any other black card with abilities that cost mana of other colors or that require you to control lands of other basic types. Their voting group is GUILD or 3+ COLOR.
* Rakdos Cackler, Deathrite Shaman and other hybrids cards with other color. Their voting group is also GUILD or 3+ COLOR.
* Mox Jet, Leaden Myr and other colorless artifacts that produce black mana but have no ability costing black mana or that requires you to control Swamps. Their voting group is COLORLESS.
* Cards with the CONSPIRACY type (specifically Assemble the Rank and Vile) have been excluded by popular vote from this year's Power Rankings. They will be voted on in their own separate category after the OVERALL Power Rankings have concluded.
(Note that other black cards from Conspiracy or Conspiracy: Take the Crown expansions can be voted on here, including those that reference the draft in their rules text (e.g. Regicide)
* Silver-bordered cards from Unhinged or Unglued (e.g. Booster Tutor) and holiday promo cards (e.g. Evil Presents) have also been excluded by popular vote from this year's Power Rankings. They will be voted on in a separate category after the OVERALL Power Rankings have concluded.
===
PREVIOUS RANKINGS
For reference, here are the BLACK results for the previous three Power Rankings project. I'm including them here to be used as a reference only.
2 Recurring Nightmare - 18.5
3 Demonic Tutor - 17.5
4 Vampiric Tutor - 16.3
5 Bitterblossom - 14.7
6 Damnation - 12.3
7 Yawgmoth's Will - 9.9
8 Dark Confidant - 9.5
9 Hymn to Tourach - 9.1
10 Phyrexian Arena - 8.3
11 Thoughtseize - 7.1
12 Yawgmoth's Bargain - 6.1
13 Liliana Vess - 5.2
14 Shriekmaw - 4.7
15 Profane Command - 4.5
16 Duress - 4.2
17 Kokusho, the Evening Star - 4.0
18 Dark Ritual - 3.8
19 Hypnotic Specter - 2.9
20 Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni - 2.8
20 Sinkhole - 2.8
20 Living Death - 2.8
2 Recurring Nightmare - 18.9
3 Demonic Tutor - 17.6
4 Bitterblossom - 16.0
5 Vampiric Tutor - 13.8
6 Damnation - 13.7
7 Dark Confidant - 11.5
8 Phyrexian Arena - 11.0
9 Hymn to Tourach - 10.4
10 Kokusho, the Evening Star - 8.2
11 Yawgmoth's Bargain - 6.3
12 Thoughtseize - 6.2
13 Shriekmaw - 6.0
14 Profane Command - 5.8
15 Yawgmoth's Will - 4.8
16 Sorin Markov - 4.7
17 Graveborn Muse - 4.4
18 Imperial Seal - 3.3
19 Barter in Blood - 3.0
20 Liliana Vess - 2.7
2 Recurring Nightmare - 18.1
3 Demonic Tutor - 17.6
4 Bitterblossom - 15.6
5 Liliana of the Veil - 14.7
6 Vampiric Tutor - 13.2
7 Dark Confidant - 12.6
8 Grave Titan - 10.9
9 Braids, Cabal Minion - 7.6
10 Thoughtseize - 7.2
11 Pack Rat - 6.8
12 Toxic Deluge - 6.6
13 Imperial Seal - 6.3
14 Hymn to Tourach - 6.2
14 Damnation - 6.2
16 Shriekmaw - 4.4
17 Volrath's Stronghold - 3.8
18 Phyrexian Arena - 3.4
19 Reanimate - 2.6
20 Ophiomancer - 2.5
2 Mind Twist - 19.0
3 Demonic Tutor - 17.5
4 Vampiric Tutor - 15.6
5 Bitterblossom - 14.9
6 Liliana of the Veil - 13.5
7 Dark Confidant - 11.5
8 Toxic Deluge - 10.1
9 Grave Titan - 9.8
10 Braids, Cabal Minion - 9.7
11 Pack Rat - 8.5
12 Damnation - 7.4
13 Imperial Seal - 6.5
13 Thoughtseize - 6.5
15 Griselbrand - 4.8
16 Shriekmaw - 4.3
17 Ophiomancer - 4.0
18 Volrath's Stronghold - 3.8
19 Reanimate - 3.7
20 Hymn to Tourach - 3.6
PLEASE NOTE! Since the last year's Power Rankings, the following sets have been released:
BLACK VOTING IS NOW OPEN!
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1. Mind Twist
2. Demonic Tutor
3. Vampiric Tutor
4. Entomb
5. Thoughtseize
6. Recurring Nightmare
7. Animate Dead
8. Reanimate
9. Necromancy
10. Dark Confidant
11. Liliana of the Veil
12. Griselbrand
13. Bitterblossom
14. Dark Ritual
15. Grave Titan
16. Hmyn to tourach
17. Toxic Deluge
18. Imperial Seal
19. Liliana, the last hope
20. Duress
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2 Mind Twist
3 Demonic Tutor
4 Bitterblossom
5 Liliana of the Veil
6 Toxic Deluge
7 Vampiric Tutor
8 Imperial Seal
9 Dark Confidant
10 Pack Rat
11 Braids, Cabal Minion
12 Thoughtseize
13 Damnation
14 Grave Titan
15 Griselbrand
16 Dark Ritual
17 Languish
18 Hymn to Tourach
19 Volrath's Stronghold
20 Ophiomancer
02 Demonic Tutor
03 Recurring Nightmare
04 Bitterblossom
05 Liliana of the Veil
06 Toxic Deluge
07 Vampiric Tutor
08 Damnation
09 Grave Titan
10 Braids, Cabal Minion
11 Dark Confidant
12 Languish
13 Griselbrand
14 Thoughtseize
15 Pack Rat
16 Reanimate
17 Shriekmaw
18 Hymn to Tourach
19 Ophiomancer
20 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
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02 Recurring Nightmare
03 Demonic Tutor
04 Vampiric Tutor
05 Dark Confidant
06 Liliana of the Veil
07 Braids, Cabal Minion
08 Imperial Seal
09 Bitterblossom
10 Toxic Deluge
11 Grave Titan
12 Thoughtseize
13 Damnation
14 Nether Void
15 Pack Rat
16 Languish
17 Living Death
18 Hymn to Tourach
19 Griselbrand
20 Ophiomancer
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02 Recurring Nightmare
03 Demonic Tutor
04 Vampiric Tutor
05 Dark Confidant
06 Liliana of the Veil
07 Braids, Cabal Minion
08 Bitterblossom
09 Toxic Deluge
10 Damnation
11 Grave Titan
12 Thoughtseize
13 Imperial Seal
14 Pack Rat
15 Griselbrand
16 Ophiomancer
17 Languish
18 Living Death
19 Hymn to Tourach
20 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
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2 Recurring Nightmare
3 Demonic Tutor
4 Vampiric Tutor
5 Liliana of the Veil
6 Dark Confidant
7 Grave Titan
8 Bitterblossom
9 Pack Rat
10 Braids, Cabal Minion
11 Toxic Deluge
12 Damnation
13 Profane Command
14 Hymn to Tourach
15 Hero's Downfall
16 Griselbrand
17 Languish
18 Ophiomancer
19 Pain Seer
20 Blood Artist
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01 Recurring Nightmare
02 Mind Twist
03 Demonic Tutor
04 Vampiric Tutor
05 Dark Confidant
06 Liliana of the Veil
07 Imperial Seal (don't play it, estimated)
08 Bitterblossom
09 Toxic Deluge
10 Grave Titan
11 Braids, Cabal Minion
12 Thoughtseize
13 Nether Void
14 Flesh Carver
15 Pack Rat
16 Damnation
17 Languish
18 Liliana, the Last Hope
19 Ophiomancer
20 Hymn to Tourach
On spoiled card wishlisting and 'should-have-had'-isms:
02 Recurring Nightmare
03 Bitterblossom
04 Liliana of the Veil
05 Demonic Tutor
06 Vampiric Tutor
07 Grave Titan
08 Toxic Deluge
09 Damnation
10 Dark Confidant
11 Shriekmaw
12 Ophiomancer
13 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
14 Pack Rat
15 Braids, Cabal Minion
16 Flesh Carver
17 Entomb
18 Living Death
19 Hymn to Tourach
20 Imperial Seal
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1 Mind Twist
2 Recurring Nightmare
3 Demonic Tutor
4 Vampiric Tutor
5 Dark Confidant
6 Liliana of the Veil
7 Braids, Cabal Minion
8 Toxic Deluge
9 Bitterblossom
10 Hymn to Tourach
11 Damnation
12 Grave Titan
13 Thoughtseize
14 Pack Rat
15 Imperial Seal
16 Languish
17 Living Death
18 Griselbrand
19 Ophiomancer
20 Reanimate
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Pauper: UR Delver
Modern: UGR Delver
Draft my cube: Eric's 390 Unpowered
02 Recurring Nightmare
03 Bitterblossom
04 Liliana of the Veil
05 Grave Titan
06 Demonic Tutor
07 Dark Confidant
08 Vampiric Tutor
09 Pack Rat
10 Pox
11 Imperial Seal
12 Thoughtseize
13 Braids, Cabal Minion
14 Toxic Deluge
15 Damnation
16 Hymn to Tourach
17 Griselbrand
18 Liliana, the Last Hope
19 The Abyss
20 Languish
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02 Mind Twist
03 Demonic Tutor
04 Vampiric Tutor
05 Liliana of the Veil
06 Braids, Cabal Minion
07 Pack Rat
08 Entomb
09 Dark Confidant
10 Imperial Seal
11 Bitterblossom
12 Toxic Deluge
13 Damnation
14 Grave Titan
15 Shriekmaw
16 Thoughtseize
17 Nether Void
18 Languish
19 Ophiomancer
20 Griselbrand
My High Octane Unpowered Cube on CubeCobra
02 Mind Twist
03 Bitterblossom
04 Demonic Tutor
05 Liliana of the Veil
06 Vampiric Tutor
07 Dark Confidant
08 Toxic Deluge
09 Damnation
10 Imperial Seal
11 Grave Titan
12 Animate Dead
13 Pack Rat
14 Shriekmaw
15 Braids, Cabal Minion
16 Hymn to Tourach
17 Ophiomancer
18 Thoughtseize
19 Living Death
20 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
https://cubecobra.com/cube/list/3pq
1. Mind Twist
2. Recurring Nightmare
3. Demonic Tutor
4. Vampiric Tutor
5. Liliana of the Veil
6. Toxic Deluge
7. Bitterblossom
8. Entomb
9. Reanimate
10. Grave Titan
11. Dark Confidant
12. Hymn to Tourach
13. Thoughtseize
14. Pack Rat
15. Animate Dead
16. Griselbrand
17. Damnation
18. Shriekmaw
19. Ophiomancer
20. Braids, Cabal Minion
2 Recurring Nightmare
3 Demonic Tutor
4 Vampiric Tutor
5 Liliana of the Veil
6 Dark Confidant
7 Bitterblossom
8 Imperial Seal
9 Braids, Cabal Minion
10 Toxic Deluge
11 Damnation
12 Grave Titan
13 Pack Rat
14 Reanimate
15 Thoughtseize
16 Entomb
17 Languish
18 Hymn to Tourach
19 Griselbrand
20 Living Death
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2 Mind Twist
3 Demonic Tutor
4 Vampiric Tutor
5 Bitterblossom
6 Liliana of the Veil
7 Dark Confidant
8 Toxic Deluge
9 Grave Titan
10 Braids, Cabal Minion
11 Pack Rat
12 Damnation
13 Languish
13 Thoughtseize
15 Griselbrand
16 Shriekmaw
17 Scrapheap Scrounger
18 Volrath's Stronghold
19 Reanimate
20 Hymn to Tourach
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2. Demonic Tutor
3. Recurring Nightmare
4. Liliana of the Veil
5. Vampiric Tutor
6. Hymn to Tourach
7. Pack Rat
8. Thoughtseize
9. Dismember
10. Grave Titan
11. Inquisition of Kozilek
12. Bitterblossom
13. Shriekmaw
14. Reanimate
15. Toxic Deluge
16. Imperial Seal
17. Entomb
18. Griselbrand
19. Damnation
20. Braids, Cabal Minion
02 Recurring Nightmare
03 Bitterblossom
04 Demonic Tutor
05 Vampiric Tutor
06 Dark Confidant
07 Liliana of the Veil
08 Toxic Deluge
09 Hymn to Tourach
10 Animate Dead
11 Reanimate
12 Braids, Cabal Minion
13 Shriekmaw
14 Damnation
15 Languish
16 Ophiomancer
17 Grave Titan
18 Thoughtseize
19 Griselbrand
20 Dismember
Cards that I didn't vote on (because I never played with them): The Abyss; Nether Void; Imperial Seal; Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet; and Liliana, the Last Hope. I think Imperial Seal could make my list, but I also think that sorcery speed and put-on-top are enough drawbacks that it might miss it, so I prefer not to estimate it. Honorable Mention: Pack Rat (I like them, but they really don't make my list).
01 Mind Twist
02 Recurring Nightmare
03 Demonic Tutor
04 Vampiric Tutor
05 Liliana of the Veil
06 Dark Confidant
07 Bitterblossom
07 Braids, Cabal Minion
08 Imperial Seal
09 Toxic Deluge
10 Grave Titan
11 Pack Rat
13 Damnation
14 Languish
15 Living Death
16 Hymn to Tourach
17 Shriekmaw
18 Griselbrand
19 Ophiomancer
20 Thoughtseize
2 Recurring Nightmare
3 Demonic Tutor
4 Vampiric Tutor
5 Liliana of the Veil
6 Braids, Cabal Minion
7 Dark Confidant
8 Toxic Deluge
9 Smallpox
10 Damnation
11 Imperial Seal
12 Entomb
13 Bitterblossom
14 Grave Titan
15 Pack Rat
16 Reanimate
17 Hymn to Tourach
18 Living Death
19 Dark Ritual
20 Ophiomancer
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2. Demonic Tutor
3. Vampiric Tutor
4. Recurring Nightmare
5. Bitterblossom
6. Toxic Deluge
7. Liliana of the Veil
8. Grave Titan
9. Griselbrand
10. Hymn to Tourach
11. Thoughtseize
12. Dark Confidant
13. Damnation
14. Pack Rat
15. Entomb
16. Animate Dead
17. Reanimate
18. Dismember
19. Imperial Seal
20. Braids, Cabal Minion
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