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With a change in voting standard (P1P1 to contributes most effectively to game wins) as well as the release of many new cards, we can expect some big changes from last year's results, but these results show us there's still room for plenty of surprises in this year's Power Rankings.
* Just Missed - Brimaz, King of Oreskos (2.94) and Enlightened Tutor (2.65). Every single vote counts!
* Returning Champion - Balance tops the list again! By any metric, it still easily tops the charts with 24 #1 votes.
* Comeback #2 - Armageddon/Ravages of War takes back the #2 spot back from Elspeth, Knight-Errant. Armageddon last held the #2 spot in 2010.
* Big Hitters - Balance and Wrath of God are the only cards to receive votes from everyone this year. It looks like one thing we can all agree on is the power of a good board wipe!
* Rookie of the Year - Gideon, Ally of Zendikar was the only new White card to make the list this year.
* The More Things Change, the More They Stay the Same - Balance, Swords to Plowshares, and Stoneforge Mystic all held the exact same ranking they did last year, and 19 out of 20 White cards from this year's Top 20 were on last year's Top 20. Considering the change in voting standard as well as the variety of new cards being voted on, this is some pretty eerie consistency.
* 56 cards received votes this year.
White results look solid, and pretty predictable. I think Mentor is being underrated at 18, and I don't think there's a 4-card difference between Wrath of God and Day of Judgment but the rest seems pretty accurate.
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19 out of 20 White cards from this year's Top 20 were on last year's Top 20. Considering the change in voting standard ... this is some pretty eerie consistency.
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I voted for Kytheon, new Thalia, and Archangel Avacyn, and I was also pretty surprised to see none of these cards crack the top 20. I'm curious as to whether they're actually missing the mark for that many people after extensive playtesting, or if they're victims of not having seen enough play yet.
Some other comments from the voting thread that jump out at me after seeing the final results:
It's hard to rate aggressive cards on a level, since they don't really ever take the game over on their own rather than act as part of a critical mass. So the lists feel 'midrangey'.
An aggro creature might be important to draft P1P1 but it might just be one part of your whole team of one drops. Is that less important then a typical midrange powerhouse?
Nothing that cracked the Top 20 could really be called an aggro card, aside from some 4CMC curve toppers, even though white is a core aggro color in most cubes. Even Brimaz got edged out this year. There are some great 1-3 CMC white aggro cards that are stone cold staples, and I'm wondering why none of them made the list this year. Not good enough individually? Too narrow? I'm tempted to blame the new voting standard, but last year's Top 20 weren't particularly aggro either. What's going on here?
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I never got to try Monastery Mentor (hence why I didn't vote for it). Kinda forgot about it after a while... My playgroup started playing more boardgames and building cubes for other TCGs around that time. Seeing that it's talked quite highly, me thinks its time pick one up and give it a shot! Card looks super playable and super fun!
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... I'm curious as to whether they're actually missing the mark for that many people after extensive playtesting, or if they're victims of not having seen enough play yet.
For me, it was the latter. I just haven't got the opportunity to play much with the newer cards yet. Another (related) factor might be standing the test of time. Some newer cards have been really powerful in recent games, but that might have been luck and we just didn't see the board states where the cards would be duds.
Nothing that cracked the Top 20 could really be called an aggro card, aside from some 4CMC curve toppers, even though white is a core aggro color in most cubes. Even Brimaz got edged out this year. There are some great 1-3 CMC white aggro cards that are stone cold staples, and I'm wondering why none of them made the list this year. Not good enough individually? Too narrow? I'm tempted to blame the new voting standard, but last year's Top 20 weren't particularly aggro either. What's going on here?
I think it's for the most part that the aggro cards are only good when you have a critical mass of them, and (the white ones) are pretty interchangable. I was thinking of voting for some white one drops, but none of them are that much better than the others. Kytheon is great and all, but I haven't seen him flip often, so he plays mostly like another, slightly scarier, Savanna Lions.
Armageddon (and Ravages of War) are ideal aggro cards, and they're near the top of everyone's list. Most other aggro cards are pretty interchangeable, so their WAR are going to be relatively low. In think that one exception to that might've been Thalia, Guardian of Thraben (which I also feel is better than Thalia 2) and I was a little surprised to see her miss the cut.
Not surprised at all to see the other aggro beaters miss the list. Being the slightly better card in a vein of all good interchangeable cards doesn't separate you enough from the pack to make the list. Goblin Guide will, because it's leagues better than all the other options (from all the other colors) ...but as good as Kytheon is, it's only a marginal upgrade over what the "typical" white 2-power 1-drop looks like. My deck doesn't need Kytheon, it just needs 2-power 1-drops. He just happens to be the best one.
I don't think there's a 4-card difference between Wrath of God and Day of Judgment
Everyone ranked Day 1 slot behind Wrath except for 3 people who didn't rank Day, and pillar15 who put Day 20th. I think Day just doesn't come to mind quite as much when you think of strong cards, even if the difference is tiny.
Apparently I've been seeing better than average results with Kytheon because I see him flip pretty often, and then it's absolutely shocking what you've gotten for 1 mana. Even before he flips threat of activation alone means it'll get through for damage more often as long as you have 2W open. He's way more than a Savannah Lions, and he made my list easily, so I'm surprised he didn't make more lists.
I agree that it's odd to see Wrath and Day ranked so far apart here. Masticore and Lotleth Troll are getting cut from a lot of cubes, so by next year it's quite possible that Thrun, the Last Troll will be the only reason to care about the regeneration clause on Wrath.
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3. On the other end of things people must have been unable to pickup their Archangel Avacyn's because she is devastating. Combat trick/Serra Angel/Slagstorm in one card....just stupid good and deserves to be on here.
I think you're right here, because the people who did put Avacyn on their lists tended to rank her quite highly. Once the price comes down and more people can acquire her to properly evaluate her I expect to see her make the list next year. Unless, of course, WotC prints an even more absurd 5CMC white creature within the next year. Slim chance of that, right?
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I checked my cube and only regenerate card in it is Thrun, the Last Troll, so Wrath of God and Day of Judgment are really really close to being the same card. My reasoning to not have it right next to each other was more that I went through the list of my white cards, looking for different effects and the most powerful versions of them. Only after making my list I double checked others lists to see if I had missed something obvious and noticed Day of Judgment and added it to my list, not really thinking it through about it's position in relation to Wrath of God.
I didn't vote for so many aggro creatures with same reasoning that wtwlf123 had. Most are pretty interchangeable and therefore missed the cut for me. Thalia, Guardian of Thraben being the exception as others have pointed out, so voted for that one. You rarely understand how much it does when you play it, but when playing against it, it is extremely annoying so often.
I don't fully get the universal love that Elspeth, Knight-Errant gets here. It is good card yes, and I voted for it, but significantly lower than most. For me, it's not even the best Elspeth in the cube, let alone best white planeswalker. Are people really seeing it still taking over the game and what kind of decks and scenarios does she still shine worthy of Top 3 spot? Again, not saying it is bad by any means, just trying to understand. +ability making 1/1's is real good, but I feel it is not as unique anymore as it used to be. If it was a new card from Eldritch Moon, would it have gotten so good ratings?
I was surprised by Archangel Avacyn not making it, I predict it will next year. Some other new cards I was hesitant to pull the trigger as well, since not having time to play with them extensively.
3. On the other end of things people must have been unable to pickup their Archangel Avacyn's because she is devastating. Combat trick/Serra Angel/Slagstorm in one card....just stupid good and deserves to be on here.
I think you're right here, because the people who did put Avacyn on their lists tended to rank her quite highly. Once the price comes down and more people can acquire her to properly evaluate her I expect to see her make the list next year.
I didn't vote on her because I don't think she's a top 20 white card. Great creature, but probably the 3rd best white 5cc creature. Wasn't even an honorable mention for me.
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I don't fully get the universal love that Elspeth, Knight-Errant gets here. It is good card yes, and I voted for it, but significantly lower than most. For me, it's not even the best Elspeth in the cube, let alone best white planeswalker. Are people really seeing it still taking over the game and what kind of decks and scenarios does she still shine worthy of Top 3 spot? Again, not saying it is bad by any means, just trying to understand. +ability making 1/1's is real good, but I feel it is not as unique anymore as it used to be. If it was a new card from Eldritch Moon, would it have gotten so good ratings?
Growing loyalty while protecting herself is great. But it's really the pair of {+1} abilities that makes her so great. Whether you're in the pressure stage of the game b/c you're ahead, or in the development stage b/c of being behind or at parity, both abilities grow her loyalty. That's a unique feature to exactly this one planeswalker.
Oh, I understand why ...I just think it sucks that the final list looks this way despite the cards being damn-near functionally identical.
I think there's a strong argument for next year making Wrath of god = Day of judgement in the rankings... To avoid exactly what happened.
The probability that people forget about DOJ (or are too lazy to read the guidelines and assume it's voted the same as Armageddon/ravages), is way way WAY higher than Day of Judgement getting voted a rank higher than it deserves due to a SLIGHTLY inaccurate functionally identical assumption.
If a bunch of ballin' creatures with regeneration get printed, we can revise that... heh
I think there's a strong argument for next year making Wrath of god = Day of judgement in the rankings... To avoid exactly what happened.
The probability that people forget about DOJ (or are too lazy to read the guidelines and assume it's voted the same as Armageddon/ravages), is way way WAY higher than Day of Judgement getting voted a rank higher than it deserves due to a SLIGHTLY inaccurate functionally identical assumption.
I think I could get behind that, and also for ranking Wildfire and Burning of Xinye as the same card. The corner cases of Boros Charm in response or an Elspeth emblem being in play have so little to do with how BoX is evaluated that we run the risk of sheer forgetfulness putting the rankings further apart than they should be based on power as happened with Wrath and Day. Plus, the findings of the rankings will be more interesting and useful without an additional slot being filled by what is so close to being a functional reprint.
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I think I could get behind that, and also for ranking Wildfire and Burning of Xinye as the same card. The corner cases of Boros Charm in response or an Elspeth emblem being in play have so little to do with how BoX is evaluated that we run the risk of sheer forgetfulness putting the rankings further apart than they should be based on power as happened with Wrath and Day. Plus, the findings of the rankings will be more interesting and useful without an additional slot being filled by what is so close to being a functional reprint.
I definitely said this 1-3 years ago, and was definitely argued at about those points lol
I think I could get behind that, and also for ranking Wildfire and Burning of Xinye as the same card. The corner cases of Boros Charm in response or an Elspeth emblem being in play have so little to do with how BoX is evaluated that we run the risk of sheer forgetfulness putting the rankings further apart than they should be based on power as happened with Wrath and Day. Plus, the findings of the rankings will be more interesting and useful without an additional slot being filled by what is so close to being a functional reprint.
I definitely said this 1-3 years ago, and was definitely argued at about those points lol
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I think I could get behind that, and also for ranking Wildfire and Burning of Xinye as the same card. The corner cases of Boros Charm in response or an Elspeth emblem being in play have so little to do with how BoX is evaluated that we run the risk of sheer forgetfulness putting the rankings further apart than they should be based on power as happened with Wrath and Day. Plus, the findings of the rankings will be more interesting and useful without an additional slot being filled by what is so close to being a functional reprint.
I definitely said this 1-3 years ago, and was definitely argued at about those points lol
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I can't (at least here, I just tried) but I found it the other day, so it is there somewhere.
I'd prefer voting on Wildfire and Burning of Xinye at the same spot. (Nitpicking, but I would not say "as the same card", just giving them one rating as they are similar enough.) It would produce more interesting results. Basically, when ranking them separately, no matter where there would land in the final results relative to each other, it would reveal no interesting information. If they are next to each other, great, that would be to be expected. If they are apart, what gives? Giving them just one rating would simply free up another spot for all cards to be compared against.
Added the standard deviation and the Coeficient of Variation (i am not a statitician, so not sure if CV is a correct analysis for this data type)
Just looking at the data, Clearly Balance is number 1, but Armageddon and Elspeth have large STD and look to me to be tied for 2 and 3
After that it gets pretty jumbled. It would be cool to be able to run some concrete statistics on this data.
2 Armageddon (Ravages of War) - 17.68
3 Elspeth, Knight-Errant - 16.94
4 Wrath of God - 13.00
5 Swords to Plowshares - 12.44
6 Stoneforge Mystic - 11.29
7 Gideon Jura - 10.53
8 Day of Judgment - 10.24
9 Path to Exile - 10.21
10 Moat - 9.62
11 Mother of Runes - 7.94
12 Restoration Angel - 6.50
13 Elspeth, Sun's Champion - 6.24
14 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar - 5.71
15 Land Tax - 5.44
16 Hero of Bladehold - 4.65
17 Reveillark - 4.62
18 Monastery Mentor - 4.21
19 Council's Judgment - 3.21
20 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite - 3.00
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With a change in voting standard (P1P1 to contributes most effectively to game wins) as well as the release of many new cards, we can expect some big changes from last year's results, but these results show us there's still room for plenty of surprises in this year's Power Rankings.
* Just Missed - Brimaz, King of Oreskos (2.94) and Enlightened Tutor (2.65). Every single vote counts!
* Returning Champion - Balance tops the list again! By any metric, it still easily tops the charts with 24 #1 votes.
* Comeback #2 - Armageddon/Ravages of War takes back the #2 spot back from Elspeth, Knight-Errant. Armageddon last held the #2 spot in 2010.
* Big Hitters - Balance and Wrath of God are the only cards to receive votes from everyone this year. It looks like one thing we can all agree on is the power of a good board wipe!
* Rookie of the Year - Gideon, Ally of Zendikar was the only new White card to make the list this year.
* The More Things Change, the More They Stay the Same - Balance, Swords to Plowshares, and Stoneforge Mystic all held the exact same ranking they did last year, and 19 out of 20 White cards from this year's Top 20 were on last year's Top 20. Considering the change in voting standard as well as the variety of new cards being voted on, this is some pretty eerie consistency.
* 56 cards received votes this year.
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White results look solid, and pretty predictable. I think Mentor is being underrated at 18, and I don't think there's a 4-card difference between Wrath of God and Day of Judgment but the rest seems pretty accurate.
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I was also hoping Thalia, Heretic Cathar would crack the list, or maybe Recruiter of the Guard, but a solid looking list nonetheless.
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Some other comments from the voting thread that jump out at me after seeing the final results:
Nothing that cracked the Top 20 could really be called an aggro card, aside from some 4CMC curve toppers, even though white is a core aggro color in most cubes. Even Brimaz got edged out this year. There are some great 1-3 CMC white aggro cards that are stone cold staples, and I'm wondering why none of them made the list this year. Not good enough individually? Too narrow? I'm tempted to blame the new voting standard, but last year's Top 20 weren't particularly aggro either. What's going on here?
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For me, it was the latter. I just haven't got the opportunity to play much with the newer cards yet. Another (related) factor might be standing the test of time. Some newer cards have been really powerful in recent games, but that might have been luck and we just didn't see the board states where the cards would be duds.
I think it's for the most part that the aggro cards are only good when you have a critical mass of them, and (the white ones) are pretty interchangable. I was thinking of voting for some white one drops, but none of them are that much better than the others. Kytheon is great and all, but I haven't seen him flip often, so he plays mostly like another, slightly scarier, Savanna Lions.
I thought Thalia 1.0 would've gotten more votes, I still like her a lot more than Thalia 2.0
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Not surprised at all to see the other aggro beaters miss the list. Being the slightly better card in a vein of all good interchangeable cards doesn't separate you enough from the pack to make the list. Goblin Guide will, because it's leagues better than all the other options (from all the other colors) ...but as good as Kytheon is, it's only a marginal upgrade over what the "typical" white 2-power 1-drop looks like. My deck doesn't need Kytheon, it just needs 2-power 1-drops. He just happens to be the best one.
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I agree that it's odd to see Wrath and Day ranked so far apart here. Masticore and Lotleth Troll are getting cut from a lot of cubes, so by next year it's quite possible that Thrun, the Last Troll will be the only reason to care about the regeneration clause on Wrath.
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I think you're right here, because the people who did put Avacyn on their lists tended to rank her quite highly. Once the price comes down and more people can acquire her to properly evaluate her I expect to see her make the list next year. Unless, of course, WotC prints an even more absurd 5CMC white creature within the next year. Slim chance of that, right?
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I checked my cube and only regenerate card in it is Thrun, the Last Troll, so Wrath of God and Day of Judgment are really really close to being the same card. My reasoning to not have it right next to each other was more that I went through the list of my white cards, looking for different effects and the most powerful versions of them. Only after making my list I double checked others lists to see if I had missed something obvious and noticed Day of Judgment and added it to my list, not really thinking it through about it's position in relation to Wrath of God.
I didn't vote for so many aggro creatures with same reasoning that wtwlf123 had. Most are pretty interchangeable and therefore missed the cut for me. Thalia, Guardian of Thraben being the exception as others have pointed out, so voted for that one. You rarely understand how much it does when you play it, but when playing against it, it is extremely annoying so often.
I don't fully get the universal love that Elspeth, Knight-Errant gets here. It is good card yes, and I voted for it, but significantly lower than most. For me, it's not even the best Elspeth in the cube, let alone best white planeswalker. Are people really seeing it still taking over the game and what kind of decks and scenarios does she still shine worthy of Top 3 spot? Again, not saying it is bad by any means, just trying to understand. +ability making 1/1's is real good, but I feel it is not as unique anymore as it used to be. If it was a new card from Eldritch Moon, would it have gotten so good ratings?
I was surprised by Archangel Avacyn not making it, I predict it will next year. Some other new cards I was hesitant to pull the trigger as well, since not having time to play with them extensively.
I didn't vote on her because I don't think she's a top 20 white card. Great creature, but probably the 3rd best white 5cc creature. Wasn't even an honorable mention for me.
Growing loyalty while protecting herself is great. But it's really the pair of {+1} abilities that makes her so great. Whether you're in the pressure stage of the game b/c you're ahead, or in the development stage b/c of being behind or at parity, both abilities grow her loyalty. That's a unique feature to exactly this one planeswalker.
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I think there's a strong argument for next year making Wrath of god = Day of judgement in the rankings... To avoid exactly what happened.
The probability that people forget about DOJ (or are too lazy to read the guidelines and assume it's voted the same as Armageddon/ravages), is way way WAY higher than Day of Judgement getting voted a rank higher than it deserves due to a SLIGHTLY inaccurate functionally identical assumption.
If a bunch of ballin' creatures with regeneration get printed, we can revise that... heh
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I think I could get behind that, and also for ranking Wildfire and Burning of Xinye as the same card. The corner cases of Boros Charm in response or an Elspeth emblem being in play have so little to do with how BoX is evaluated that we run the risk of sheer forgetfulness putting the rankings further apart than they should be based on power as happened with Wrath and Day. Plus, the findings of the rankings will be more interesting and useful without an additional slot being filled by what is so close to being a functional reprint.
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And they've been getting further and further apart in each voting cycle, lol.
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2 Armageddon (Ravages of War) - 17.68 STD: 6.7 CV: 0.4
3 Elspeth, Knight-Errant - 16.94 STD: 6.7 CV: 0.4
4 Wrath of God - 13.00 STD 3.1 CV:0.2
5 Swords to Plowshares - 12.44 STD: 3.6 CV:0.3
6 Stoneforge Mystic - 11.29 STD: 7.1 CV:0.3
7 Gideon Jura - 10.53 STD: 7.7 CV: 0.7
8 Day of Judgment - 10.24 STD: 6.2 CV: 0.6
9 Path to Exile - 10.21 STD 4.1 CV: 0.4
10 Moat - 9.62 7.0 STD 7.08 CV: 0.7
11 Mother of Runes - 7.94 STD 7.1 CV 0.9
12 Restoration Angel - 6.50 STD 4.7 CV: 0.7
13 Elspeth, Sun's Champion - 6.24 STD 4.7 CV 0.7
14 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar - 5.71 STD 4.2 CV 0.7
15 Land Tax - 5.44 STD 5.8 CV:1.0
16 Hero of Bladehold - 4.65 STD: 5.4 CV: 1.16
17 Reveillark - 4.62 STD 5.7 CV: 1.2
18 Monastery Mentor - 4.21 STD 6.6 CV: 1.5
19 Council's Judgment - 3.21 5.5 CV: 1.7
20 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite - 3.00 6.0 CV: 1.97
Added the standard deviation and the Coeficient of Variation (i am not a statitician, so not sure if CV is a correct analysis for this data type)
Just looking at the data, Clearly Balance is number 1, but Armageddon and Elspeth have large STD and look to me to be tied for 2 and 3
After that it gets pretty jumbled. It would be cool to be able to run some concrete statistics on this data.
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