I tried him and didn't like it. My other black 5 at 365 us Grey Merchant, which is way more on an interesting effect. Someday we'll get a sweet black 5 drop.
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I like Sidisi and Priest of the Blood Rite over this card. But I push black sacrifice pretty hard. Still think I'd prefer my 5/5 Flyer for 5 to leave behind a "2/2 lose 2 life each turn" over a 1-loyalty Planeswalker. Sac it, blink it, recur it, etc.
I think he's probably the second best black 5 drop, and the fourth best black planeswalker( behind all 3 Lilliana's that cost 3).
He's not powerful enough to make me want to cut a four or 6 drop so shriekmaw is the only black five drop I run at 360.
I do like Ob over Priest of the Bloodrite since it has a higher floor and is more consistent overall (I play both at 540 but Priest is on the cutting block, just waiting for something to come along). A 5/5 black flying demon is actually one of the best walls a planeswalker can ask for since it blocks the most relevant form of evasion, flying, can also block those with fear / intimidate, is immune to Terror effects, and can soak up a ton of trample damage. The fact that Ob Nixilis also survives sweepers is extremely relevant and that makes him easier to slot into more decks than Priest.
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I think he's probably the second best black 5 drop, and the fourth best black planeswalker( behind all 3 Lilliana's that cost 3.
I would like to note that I didn't count flip Lili in my initial ranking since I don't count any of the origins flip walkers when ranking walkers, otherwise I would agree.
If I'm being honest, I feel like this card comes up a little short. It basically only has one ability and, for 5 mana, I expect more than that. That's especially true for a 'walker. I wish the +2 did something to provide some sort of card or tempo advantage. Drain for 1 is pretty meh. I do like him more than other non-Shriekmaw options, but that well is not very deep.
This is the best black 5-drop after Shriekmaw, and although I cut it for Kalitas I will probably find a way to bring it back soon since there really should be something in that slot, but it'll be as a placeholder till they print something better.
Also, I have actually had a player ask if they could use Ob-Nixilis as his Commander in a cube match.
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We find Sidisi a little more interesting, but would probably be playing Ob if we only cared about power.
I think that a 1/4 chance of getting a pizza slice when cast would be sufficient to P1P1, but it depends a lot of whether you or your opponent has ultimate choice over topping selection.
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Never liked OG Liliana Vess for cube, 5 mana is way too much for a Vampiric Tutor. I also like Ob Nixilis Reignited much more than Liliana.
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Black Oath > Reignited >>>> Vess
Agreed completely - Lili only survives in my cube because it's Multiplayer, and she seems to survive long enough to get two tutors off (due to the higher number of threats on the board in the meta). I'm still not sure I'd pay five mana for two VTs across two turns, though.
Don't even run him at 540 unpowered, I'm sure he'd be fine, but not something I'm looking for.
-Where does he rank for black 5s after shriek maw?
Pretty highly. My black 5s pretty much stop at maw. I think my only 5 cmc black card is Living Death.
-Imagine if he made pizzas instead.
Would they be 5/5 flying pizza tokens? If not, -2 for a slice of pizza is pretty nice. 5 mana for pizza every other turn is amazing value if your opponent doesn't deal with it.
How many pizzas would a card have to make per game on average before it's cubeable?
If all the card does is make pizza, I need it to reliably get at least like 3 slices with it in order to pick it highly.
I tried to make Yawgmoth's Will work but I always ended up stuck between a rock and a hard place. On one hand, it's much weaker in an unpowered cube, but if I power up my cube, there's no room for Yawg Will unless I really dedicate a lot to storm combo.
I love Yawgmoth's Will itself but I think it's a very misunderstood card. A lot of people just think it's a card you wombo combo and win with, but its most useful applications are to just play it for value. Nothing wrong with casting Yawg Will, replay a fetchland and a removal spell, pass turn. It's essentially a more expensive Snapcaster Mage that affects your entire graveyard.
Not in my cube. No storm support and this just isn't an effect my black section wants.
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Splashable soft counter that can replace itself when it's no longer effective, seems like a staple in my book. Not sure how I'd rank the 2 mana counterspells besides putting Mana Drain at the top, Counterspell / Mana Leak / Arcane Denial / Remand / Miscalculation are all staples in my book.
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He's not powerful enough to make me want to cut a four or 6 drop so shriekmaw is the only black five drop I run at 360.
Pizza tokens would be nice.
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Since we're talking about black 5-drops, I just want to mention that I almost made an SCD for Voldaren Pariah when it was first spoiled just so I can lament on how we probably weren't getting a good black 5-drop in EMN.
I would like to note that I didn't count flip Lili in my initial ranking since I don't count any of the origins flip walkers when ranking walkers, otherwise I would agree.
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Are we talking powered or unpowered pizza (and no, this joke is not going to get old)?
Ob narrowly missed out on making it into my cube. People just liked the tutoring abilities of Liliana Vess too much to make the switch.
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Black Oath > Reignited >>>> Vess
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I think that a 1/4 chance of getting a pizza slice when cast would be sufficient to P1P1, but it depends a lot of whether you or your opponent has ultimate choice over topping selection.
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Agreed completely - Lili only survives in my cube because it's Multiplayer, and she seems to survive long enough to get two tutors off (due to the higher number of threats on the board in the meta). I'm still not sure I'd pay five mana for two VTs across two turns, though.
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Don't even run him at 540 unpowered, I'm sure he'd be fine, but not something I'm looking for.
-Where does he rank for black 5s after shriek maw?
Pretty highly. My black 5s pretty much stop at maw. I think my only 5 cmc black card is Living Death.
-Imagine if he made pizzas instead.
Would they be 5/5 flying pizza tokens? If not, -2 for a slice of pizza is pretty nice. 5 mana for pizza every other turn is amazing value if your opponent doesn't deal with it.
How many pizzas would a card have to make per game on average before it's cubeable?
If all the card does is make pizza, I need it to reliably get at least like 3 slices with it in order to pick it highly.
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I love Yawgmoth's Will itself but I think it's a very misunderstood card. A lot of people just think it's a card you wombo combo and win with, but its most useful applications are to just play it for value. Nothing wrong with casting Yawg Will, replay a fetchland and a removal spell, pass turn. It's essentially a more expensive Snapcaster Mage that affects your entire graveyard.
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It can be problematic for experienced cube drafters that see it as a signpost card for the Storm archetype if you don't support that deck.
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Too strong for the vintage cube (lol), Miscalculation is a great counter spell that is useful at every portion of the game.
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I never use my pinky toe, so that's an easy choice.
Regarding Yawgmoth's Will, I wish there was a more expensive version of it that's also an instant and lasts until your next end step. There's a red X spell from Theros that gives you X YOLO draws that has this clause, it'd be nice to cast Yawg Will on opponent's end step so I have all my mana available to utilize the effect.
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