MTG Salvation

Looks interesting. Probably the fourth best Orzhov card, behind Vindicate, Sorin, Lord of Innistrad and Lingering Souls.

Yup, they finally got a Vindicate reprint right. We can debate 'till the cows come home about is it better or not, but i think its plenty good to fit in virtually every cube. Instant = awesome, exile = awesome, life loss = workable, non-land = minor deal.

Obvious swap for those still running Mortify or Utter End.
EDIT: Wait, it's an instant? WOW.

Yes, probably the definitive 4th Orzhov card. How has Ayli been for you guys?

Due to never getting around to trying out Ayli, I've still got Unburial Rites kicking around in my cube. Seems like an easy cut for this.

Snap include!

Bye Ayli, welcome instant-speed Maelstrom Pulse!

Orzhov's been getting deep lately. I don't think it dethrones any of the top 3 (4 if you run a Rites package), and Ulcerate has proven that life loss can be a steep drawback on a removal spell. That said, getting instant speed on this effect is pretty exciting and I wouldn't be surprised if it goes up in my estimation during testing.

And I was hoping to be able to use Ayli for awhile.

Looks good, Vindicate has all ways been a little out of my price range (17 quid for some cardboard is a lot) so hopefully I can get a cheap one or open one of these. Name is a bit meh, but I'm starting to realize I don't like plot points becoming flavour-full spells. I would have preferred a cleaner name but I'm just nit picking I guess.

Only problem is I don't know what to cut:

• Lingering Souls
  
• Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
  
• Obzedat, Ghost Council

It might have to be Souls since my group love the Obzedaddy and Sorin. Maybe I can just fudge things a bit and call souls a white card.

The 1 less mana is worth the 3 life. I like it a lot.

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Looks good, Vindicate has all ways been a little out of my price range (17 quid for some cardboard is a lot) so hopefully I can get a cheap one or open one of these. Name is a bit meh, but I'm starting to realize I don't like plot points becoming flavour-full spells. I would have preferred a cleaner name but I'm just nit picking I guess.

Only problem is I don't know what to cut:

• Lingering Souls
  
• Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
  
• Obzedat, Ghost Council

It might have to be Souls since my group love the Obzedaddy and Sorin. Maybe I can just fudge things a bit and call souls a white card.

Obzedat.

I'm currently at 2 multicolor per pair (Vindicate, Souls) so I've no idea if I can realistically fit this in my cube. Great card, though.

Seems great, but I'm a little more hesitant than others on 3 life. When you can't afford to pay 3 life, it seems like this card would be awful, and it's something to consider.

I'm floored. Instant speed and exiles, actually directly competitive with vindicate despite missing lands and costing life.

This is flawless, looks like Ayli is getting cut

This is awesome. Losing 3 life is a real cost, but the decks where that matters this card wouldn't be particularly good anyway. And Exile is a big game.

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This is flawless

It does lose you 3 life, which is certainly a flaw.

Now also with sexy promo art.

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I think it's a good time to bring this up. As cubes get tighter and more good multi coloured cards get printed, it might be worth adding the more interesting cards. Removal is already plentiful especially in WB, heck white already has crap tonnes of 3 drop catch all removal.

That said, this is pretty sweet.

Exactly. This card is good, and on power level alone it would fit into most cubes, but I've already cut Putrefy, Mortify and Detention Sphere because I prefer guild slots to be more then just 'kill this'. Using one of blacks guild slots on targeted removal is a bit of a waste because that colour literally has as much creature removal as a cube creator could ever want. I can see it being run as a placeholder for vindicate but not beside it. Orzhov is a very deep and varied guild and I like a lot of it's cards over this. Despite the high power level and the amazing art on the promo, Anguished Unmaking is not going to make the cut for me. Here's the list I run listed by CC for reference.

• Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim
  
• Gerrard's Verdict
  
• Vindicate
  
• Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
  
• Sorin, Solemn Visitor
  
• Unburial Rites
  
• Magister of Worth

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Quote from Krazedkarl »

I think it's a good time to bring this up. As cubes get tighter and more good multi coloured cards get printed, it might be worth adding the more interesting cards. Removal is already plentiful especially in WB, heck white already has crap tonnes of 3 drop catch all removal.

That said, this is pretty sweet.

Exactly. This card is good, and on power level alone it would fit into most cubes, but I've already cut Putrefy, Mortify and Detention Sphere because I prefer guild slots to be more then just 'kill this'. Using one of blacks guild slots on targeted removal is a bit of a waste because that colour literally has as much creature removal as a cube creator could ever want. I can see it being run as a placeholder for vindicate but not beside it. Orzhov is a very deep and varied guild and I like a lot of it's cards over this. Despite the high power level and the amazing art on the promo, Anguished Unmaking is not going to make the cut for me. Here's the list I run listed by CC for reference.

• Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim
  
• Gerrard's Verdict
  
• Vindicate
  
• Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
  
• Sorin, Solemn Visitor
  
• Unburial Rites
  
• Magister of Worth

I find the Sorins to be a bit repetitive but your point is solid. I tried Utter End for a while, and unlike some the mana didn't matter so much as it was pretty boring for a guild card. My cube has gotten slimmer in the gold section over the years and I try to limit myself to 1 generic removal/1 planeswalker per guild. This card makes it hard but plenty of people aren't playing dreadbore, abrupt decay, or putrefy.

Certainly a powerful card, and a cheap substitute for vindicate. But as TorontoJock said it would be a waste for such an interesting guild to become bland.

Flavour text should've had a spoiler alert warning T_T.

Moving Lingering Souls to white again to fit this!

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I find the Sorins to be a bit repetitive but your point is solid. I tried Utter End for a while, and unlike some the mana didn't matter so much as it was pretty boring for a guild card. My cube has gotten slimmer in the gold section over the years and I try to limit myself to 1 generic removal/1 planeswalker per guild. This card makes it hard but plenty of people aren't playing dreadbore, abrupt decay, or putrefy.

Certainly a powerful card, and a cheap substitute for vindicate. But as TorontoJock said it would be a waste for such an interesting guild to become bland.

I feel the same way. This card is definitely great and definitely cubable, but I also try and limit removal/planeswalkers in my gold sections. I'll probably pass.

Great card is great. Will be playing this for sure.

Top notch removal. I have only two true multicolour cards per guild. Sorin and vindicate are still better IMO.

Hey can we get a consensus on whether this is pound for pound, grass roots, raw power/versatilty better than vindicate? I'm definitely getting one soon to replace Mortify and I just can't determine which one I like more...

Just leave your vote at the end of every comment, thanks!



I'm feeling like when you factor in the loss of life, it trades off for the exile ability, and instant trades for permanent, so... damn are they even? ugh.