I may be a bit biased because I'm a sucker for Erhnam Djinn variants, but this is probably the best Converge card we've seen yet. Even in a 2 color deck a 4/4 vigilance trampler seems decent, but green decks have the easiest time going up to the 3-4 colors that it takes to be properly rewarded with an undercosted trampling beast with vigilance. I'm considering giving this a try over Surrak, the Hunt Caller.
This is going straight in, and I don't see it coming out for a while. I guess it is a lot worse than Siege Rhino to pod into, GSZ into, blink, reanimate etc. but I think it'll get cast in 6/6 mode a fair bit in our environment.
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It may not be the flashiest card I've ever seen, but I think you could definitely do worse in the 4-drop slot. The WCS still demands removal (see Wickerbough Elder's fail case), while BCS it can rumble with a titan. Green also has several ways to get the full pump that don't actually require you to have 4 color worth of lands.
That said, if you're running a 4 color deck, is an expensive beatstick something you're generally in the market for? I'm not sure that it has real appeal to the decks that would get full value.
I've been unsure whether or not Wickerbough Elder was going to stay in my cube ever since we got Reclamation Sage. This card doesn't seem amazing but a very very good green creature. I want to try it out at least at 540, not sure if it stays.
I might cut Blastoderm but idk. It's such a powerhouse if you can use it to build momentum but it also sucks when it fades away and you're left with an unfavorable board state to finish the game.
I definitely like it less than my current four drop tier of Master of the Wild Hunt, Thrun and Polukranos... and possibly Surrak too. I don't like it as anything less than a 5/5, but it costs 3 or 4 colours to get there. If you play it as a 5/5 or 6/6 it's very cost effective though. Evaluation of this card is going to be extremely meta-dependent.
This looks powerful, in our cube it will be a 5/5 very often I think (getting to 3 colors is really easy for green), which is a great deal with vigilance and trample for 4 mana. Green could use a hard-hitting 4-drop, too.
IMO the biggest down-side to this card is that it's bad with Green Sun's Zenith, Birthing Pod and Eureka. I'm especially bummed about the nombo with Pod, considering its CMC.
It looks interesting. Multicolor control decks will enjoy having a vigilant threat, and it's a good beater for a random green 3-4 color goodstuff deck. It will vary in size, but a 4/4 trample vigilance for 3G isn't bad at all. And in the cases where it's a 5/5 or a 6/6, it'll be quite impressive. I may test it out at 540, but I'm not optimistic that it'll be an inclusion that'll last.
Although not a bad card, it's rather unexciting and faces heavy competition at its slot. I would rather cube any of Master, Thrun, Polukranos, Surrak and even Vengevine and Phantom Centaur before this guy.
I think it'll be nice to diversify some of those cards with a creature that has a lot of value in multicolor control decks. Vigilance goes a long way towards midgame stabilization without having to sacrifice pressure. Though this will likely be pretty oppressive against aggro decks, lol.
Green midrange decks are almost always 3-colored in my cube (usually Jund, Abzan or Temur). With all the available fixing, this should usually be a 5/5 vigiliant trampler on curve in those decks, which is pretty good.
Green ramp decks have almost always 3+ colors, too. And this thing can hold down the fort while you ramp into your true finishers.
Even XG aggro decks might splash a third color (go Naya, for example). Could be a decent curve-topper in those decks.
The WCS is basically a french vanilla 4/4 for 4. That's not terrible. And since most of my friends don't like Surrak, I might try this in his place. (Since mono-green decks never happen and green decks often play a third color anyway, I am just putting this into a green slot.)
Certainly worth a try my group always like the green fatties and I support some non standard fixing like Avacyn's Pilgrim. And as someone who has played Vorapede for a while I cna stay that Vigalence adn Trample on a big body is a nightmare. This trades undying and for one less and easier mana, so it might be good enough.
All these cards are more interesting / more powerful than this card IMO, but after these ones, this is a reasonable option
I think this guy is better than Baloth and Yeva (but maybe not more interesting, which was another one of your criteria), but given that that's a pretty expansive list of four drops any way, I'm assuming your cube is fairly large which I think a cube would need to be to test this guy. I like that there finally seems to be a converge card that's a little pushed on power level though, and this guys usual WCS being a 4/4 with trample and vigilance for 4, and it being fairly easy in green to hit 5 or 6, he's probably testable in larger cubes.
Oddly, for my cube, I don't see this being bigger than 5/5. Most greens decks aren't 4 or 5 color decks, but straight ramp or UG because GSZ, NO and their ilk. I think we have a lot of big dumb beaters already, and some of them come with additional, powerful abilities.
This card is going to kick Brutal Hordechief out of my rainbow section, and I hope it'll stay there for a while. Trample/Vigilance on a 5/5 (usually) is big business.
It will be a green card for me. Decks aren't typically mono colored, so I don't mind this taking up a mono color slot because the extra colors aren't specific. It will perform similarly in almost any green deck.
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I may be a bit biased because I'm a sucker for Erhnam Djinn variants, but this is probably the best Converge card we've seen yet. Even in a 2 color deck a 4/4 vigilance trampler seems decent, but green decks have the easiest time going up to the 3-4 colors that it takes to be properly rewarded with an undercosted trampling beast with vigilance. I'm considering giving this a try over Surrak, the Hunt Caller.
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This is going straight in, and I don't see it coming out for a while. I guess it is a lot worse than Siege Rhino to pod into, GSZ into, blink, reanimate etc. but I think it'll get cast in 6/6 mode a fair bit in our environment.
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That said, if you're running a 4 color deck, is an expensive beatstick something you're generally in the market for? I'm not sure that it has real appeal to the decks that would get full value.
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I'm cutting Vengevine this rotation for Oracle of Mul Daya, but if that doesn't work out well I might test this guy at 540.
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All these cards are more interesting / more powerful than this card IMO, but after these ones, this is a reasonable option
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IMO the biggest down-side to this card is that it's bad with Green Sun's Zenith, Birthing Pod and Eureka. I'm especially bummed about the nombo with Pod, considering its CMC.
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Green ramp decks have almost always 3+ colors, too. And this thing can hold down the fort while you ramp into your true finishers.
Even XG aggro decks might splash a third color (go Naya, for example). Could be a decent curve-topper in those decks.
The WCS is basically a french vanilla 4/4 for 4. That's not terrible. And since most of my friends don't like Surrak, I might try this in his place. (Since mono-green decks never happen and green decks often play a third color anyway, I am just putting this into a green slot.)
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Depends on your cubes fixing how big he will be on average. My green section promotes 4-5 color decks so this guy will be huge a lot.
Not sure he's better than enough green 4 drops currently played @ 450 but he's at least close. I'll test.
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I think this guy is better than Baloth and Yeva (but maybe not more interesting, which was another one of your criteria), but given that that's a pretty expansive list of four drops any way, I'm assuming your cube is fairly large which I think a cube would need to be to test this guy. I like that there finally seems to be a converge card that's a little pushed on power level though, and this guys usual WCS being a 4/4 with trample and vigilance for 4, and it being fairly easy in green to hit 5 or 6, he's probably testable in larger cubes.
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